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General Discussion  » Lots of "gamey" elements here....

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  ReallyNow10

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Don't give us stories. Give us worlds and we will make our own stories.

 
OP  9/02/13 9:17:13 PM#1
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 
  Kilmaul

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9/02/13 9:23:22 PM#2
NO!  Not fun!  Anything but that!!
  Apraxis

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9/02/13 9:38:56 PM#3
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 

Less simulative, cartoonish graphics? Only two weapons?

So you prefer ASCII graphics, like the real simulations, like Dwarfen Fortress more?

And combat reduced to attack only(no skills bound to weapon), but all possible weapons instead? More old schoolish?

Well.. i guess it is a matter of preference.. but i will take the better looking stylized graphic look, and i am more comfortable with a few more skills and tactical options.. although i am ok with less.. and i really enjoy the simulativeness of dwarfen fortress and really wish mmos would be as deep as that game.. but it is expecting too much.

 

Dwarfen Fortress

  Allein

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9/02/13 9:38:57 PM#4
"Gamey" stuff in a game? I'm confused what else would there be?
  Drakephire

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9/02/13 9:46:58 PM#5
Originally posted by Allein
"Gamey" stuff in a game? I'm confused what else would there be?

OP wants 'worky' stuff, and 'schooly' stuff, and 'politicy' stuff, and maybe 'religiousy' stuff.

  Kyllien

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9/02/13 10:35:46 PM#6
The OP want more simulative stuff or as I interpret it more realism.  So he needs a game that doesn't have any mythological creatures,  no magic, the cities and country have to be real places, no over the top movement.  All in all it sounds like he really wants to play a different ... game? ...
  Amaranthar

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9/02/13 10:53:36 PM#7

I agree, OP. I'm afraid that this is revealing the core philosophy behind the game. I hope we're both wrong, but we'll have to wait to see. I'm not hopeful.

Once upon a time....

  Fangrim

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9/02/13 10:54:43 PM#8
Originally posted by Kyllien
The OP want more simulative stuff or as I interpret it more realism.  So he needs a game that doesn't have any mythological creatures,  no magic, the cities and country have to be real places, no over the top movement.  All in all it sounds like he really wants to play a different ... game? ...

Yeah I think you maybe right.I think he wants a game with a bit of a challenge to it.You know? One where you have more than 1 hotbar and don't have gimmiky graphics and auto jump/roll/dive/spread legs/roll kind of stuff.A game where you need to join with other people to do something instead of solo zerging or changing class on the spot? Maybe some people don't like having to wait 10 minutes for a role to progress but for me its a way of forming a community,but all that is dead now in MMO'RPG' games.

  feena750

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9/03/13 12:07:02 AM#9
ESO is definitely more realistic, but actually has less hotbar abilities than EQ next.  It has 6 while EQ next has 8.  Also why do you think EQ next won't be hard or need other people?  Just because you can do some cool acrobatic tricks?
  Allein

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9/03/13 12:59:15 AM#10
Originally posted by Fangrim
Originally posted by Kyllien
The OP want more simulative stuff or as I interpret it more realism.  So he needs a game that doesn't have any mythological creatures,  no magic, the cities and country have to be real places, no over the top movement.  All in all it sounds like he really wants to play a different ... game? ...

Yeah I think you maybe right.I think he wants a game with a bit of a challenge to it.You know? One where you have more than 1 hotbar and don't have gimmiky graphics and auto jump/roll/dive/spread legs/roll kind of stuff.A game where you need to join with other people to do something instead of solo zerging or changing class on the spot? Maybe some people don't like having to wait 10 minutes for a role to progress but for me its a way of forming a community,but all that is dead now in MMO'RPG' games.

Could you share some of your insider knowledge of EQN, since you seem to have a better grasp on it then everyone else here?

Or should I just help you out...."I don't know very much about this game but I dislike the graphics and game design so it sucks."

Can't tell if some of you are trolling or if you really believe what you're saying...

  arcatom

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9/03/13 1:34:47 AM#11
Originally posted by Fangrim
Originally posted by Kyllien
The OP want more simulative stuff or as I interpret it more realism.  So he needs a game that doesn't have any mythological creatures,  no magic, the cities and country have to be real places, no over the top movement.  All in all it sounds like he really wants to play a different ... game? ...

Yeah I think you maybe right.I think he wants a game with a bit of a challenge to it.You know? One where you have more than 1 hotbar and don't have gimmiky graphics and auto jump/roll/dive/spread legs/roll kind of stuff.A game where you need to join with other people to do something instead of solo zerging or changing class on the spot? Maybe some people don't like having to wait 10 minutes for a role to progress but for me its a way of forming a community,but all that is dead now in MMO'RPG' games.

You can still go and play those games with the challenges you seek. EQ, EQ2, Vanguard, Rift, etc.. all of those games have what you want, and I only named a few. You can even go play project 99 if you want to be that hardcore.

EQN isn't ever going to be EQ remade. They are changing the way they do things. To judge the game at this stage and say its a Zerg solo fest is not a fair statement. There is such a vast amount we still don't know yet. 

  Rydeson

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9/03/13 3:09:45 AM#12
     I think the OP is saying he wants a reason to LOG into a world in which his avatar lives in....... NOT play a game that makes you look for the arcade coin slot to put your quarter in.. 
  Kyllien

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9/03/13 3:38:07 AM#13

Well the OP really needs to explain what he means.  This game is in heavy in developement and they have released only a little tiny bit.  Why don't we all just wait and see what they release in the next weeks and months. 

Landmark is coming out this winter and will be free to play.  When it come out download it, play with it for a while, then if you really can't accept the direction they went then you just stop playing. 

But most of all keep your comments in perspective.  They have not shown how the parkour movement system will work in combat.  I hope they implement collisions and you have to use some way of moving around the enemy and they around you, and around each other.

As far as the character graphics are concerned we have only seen a few builds.  Wait until you get ahold of the character builder then determine if you can't make a character look the way you want.

Most of all have patience, there is no reason to burn yourself out of the game so far ahead of its release.

  Scalpless

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9/03/13 4:54:52 AM#14
EQN is totally unrealistic in this regard. In real life, every class can use more than two weapons.
  Enrif

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9/03/13 7:39:22 AM#15
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 

so you want a simulator not a game. Or how about The Sims, SimCity and the stuff. maybe thats the kind of"not gamey" game you want

  ReallyNow10

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Don't give us stories. Give us worlds and we will make our own stories.

 
OP  9/03/13 8:45:07 AM#16
Originally posted by Enrif
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 

so you want a simulator not a game. Or how about The Sims, SimCity and the stuff. maybe thats the kind of"not gamey" game you want

How about a serious game with Rift or Tera level of graphics coupled with an open world and sandbox elements?

  Enrif

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9/03/13 8:50:45 AM#17
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Originally posted by Enrif
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 

so you want a simulator not a game. Or how about The Sims, SimCity and the stuff. maybe thats the kind of"not gamey" game you want

How about a serious game with Rift or Tera level of graphics coupled with an open world and sandbox elements?

Then you should look at Black Desert and not on EQN

  Zorlofe

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9/03/13 12:03:03 PM#18
Maybe EQN will have elements that both hardcore gamers and non-hardcore gamers will both appreciate. Maybe that's what some of those elements that you are referring to are...
  Apraxis

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9/03/13 2:06:07 PM#19
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Originally posted by Enrif
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 

so you want a simulator not a game. Or how about The Sims, SimCity and the stuff. maybe thats the kind of"not gamey" game you want

How about a serious game with Rift or Tera level of graphics coupled with an open world and sandbox elements?

Hmm? Ok.. then you worded your OP completely wrong. Because Rift, Tera are a lot less of a simulation and a lot more gamey, both are full blown out themeparks.. with gamey stuff all over the place, or only gamey stuff to be more specific... and how works your second part open world and sandbox elements in the two most probably most themeparkish game ever(with the exception of WoW).. so what do you really want?

If you would make them more sandboxish, you would need to cut out a lot of stuff from both games. Like all that progression gear shit, the quest/instance/raid focus, introduce a lot more sandbox elements(which both don't have at all) and actually make a open world.. in the end they may look a lot more similar to what EQN is looking now.

Or do you only complain intricately about the graphic style (once again)? (because graphics are top notch, the technical point of view) Especially because you do not have more, even less weapons in Tera in comparsion to EQN. In all honestly.. you should really be more specific.

 

  Apraxis

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9/03/13 2:08:01 PM#20
Originally posted by Enrif
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Originally posted by Enrif
Originally posted by ReallyNow10
Seems lots of gamey stuff is getting into EQN, a hit against simulative immersion, and more stuff for quick giggles and fun. (i.e., cartoonish graphics, only two weapons per class, etc...) 

so you want a simulator not a game. Or how about The Sims, SimCity and the stuff. maybe thats the kind of"not gamey" game you want

How about a serious game with Rift or Tera level of graphics coupled with an open world and sandbox elements?

Then you should look at Black Desert and not on EQN

I guess he would not like that, too. Because i further guess he don't want any pvp in his game. But that is just speculation on my part. Maybe try out Final Fantasy.. the current version is out now.

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