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OP  9/02/13 7:17:24 AM#1

There are several games released in recent times that have looked to alleviate the effects of terrain on movement and on gameplay tactics in a variety of ways. TSW ignores falling damage, Defiance does, RIFT experimented with it back in January, and here we have EQN providing glides and acrobatic leaps over great distances and tall cliff like features to turn terrain into artwork and jumping platforms. On the other hand, there are games like GW2 where a zerg dives over a cliff an inch too tall per say and you have one guy at the bottom counting all the corpses.

 

Which do you prefer and why? Should you take falling damage or is it and other such terrain effects in the way? Feel free to explain your point of view after voting below.

 

 

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  Loktofeit

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9/02/13 7:37:29 AM#2
It all depends on the design of the game. It seems to have been incorporated in most MMOs primarily as a penalty to deter terrain abuse when evading mobs or 'sneaking' into zones. If there's a gameplay use for it, I say go for it. If it's just to stop players from avoiding drawn out travel paths or breaking primitive mob behavior then I say I'd rather see better maps or mobs.

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  Naqaj

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9/02/13 8:01:22 AM#3

I like an MMO to have falling damage if only to provide a reason for players to come up with neat tricks to prevent it. Using blink on my mage in WoW to survive falls was just fun, a little inconsequential trick that just felt immensely rewarding when pulled off correctly.

The parkour style of EQN seems to go a little too far in that regard, but I'm not going to judge until I can experience it first hand.

  Caldrin

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9/02/13 8:06:33 AM#4

All depends on the game and how they handle it... but for myself i think falling damage is a must..

If they want a parkour system they should look at mirros edge.. but then again EQ:N is a fantasy game..

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9/02/13 8:13:33 AM#5
I guess "undecided" is the equivalent of "depends on the system"?

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OP  9/02/13 8:16:43 AM#6

I will admit that after some thought that the issue goes deeper than the question asked in my personal view. One core issue I have with world design in MMORPGs right now is the fact that so many development teams are ignoring the various effects of terrain and treating the environment as nothing more than pretty art. Its like the modern Development teams see the world as nothing more than a basket for the critters and loot...,

 

I think swampland and mud patches should suck at your characters feet halving their movement speed. I think Ice should be slippery potentially resulting in falls. I think trees and boulders should actually serve as cover against arrow shots and spells from a distance. Indeed, it would be nice to climb a tree in a game and snipe others. And yes all of this should create useful situations for WvW style PVP and even in PVE where tactics can start to mean something more than orderly button smashing in a stone circle.

 

Even the levels of lighting in a dungeon environment should have an affect. How long has it been since we have seen a dungeon in an MMO where you are blind without a torch? I honestly believe the environment should be useful for the design or engagement of encounters in a game world rather than simply mood setting or art work on screen. I think NPCs should use terrain effects when defending their lairs in PVE too.

 

So yes, I think there should be falling damage and potentially abilities to counter or abuse terrain effects for various character classes.  That's "my" personal view and others are entitled to their own.

 

I been playing some retro RPGs like Eschalon lately and it was refreshing to see things like the level of light or bushes with sharp thorns affect my character and his ability to fight.

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9/02/13 8:16:43 AM#7

As I tend to prefer realism in MMO's when it makes sense, and probably because an early (and still) favorite game DAOC used it well, I voted yet.

 

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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9/02/13 8:20:16 AM#8

A MMORPG should have some basic "realistic" physics, and fall damage is one of those.

Then of course, you have settings like EvE where fall damage doesn't make much sense - but generally, when it makes sense in the setting, it should exist. So in this game (EQN), there should be fall damage.

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OP  9/02/13 8:25:34 AM#9
Originally posted by Icewhite
I guess "undecided" is the equivalent of "depends on the system"?

 

Yeah man. It covers for people that just want to see the results or just naturally  "waffle in the middle" ( ; ) without feeling strongly one way or the other be it for game fitting or just not caring if it all pans out fun. Yes and no covers for the more formed or set points of view. And of course it applies to game settings where falling damage could logically exist for a character.

 

PS: And yes I think if you hit a planet in EVE you should go splat and there should be permadeath in 0.0 but this aint about EVE lol.

  Enrif

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9/02/13 8:59:08 AM#10

it depends on how far you can fall before taking damage.

To short and it feels like a punishment to even try exploring unusual ways.

to long and it feels like you are a bouncing ball.

No fall damage at all gives extreme freedom of movement but without consequences at all.

 

I would prefer some fall damage but not instantly punishing for short distances

  Rydeson

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9/02/13 9:02:16 AM#11
EQ did it just right for fall damage..  Unless you have skills such as a monk with safe fall.. It should be very possible to DIE from fall damage.. INCLUDING water :)
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9/02/13 9:26:20 AM#12

I liked how Deus Ex did falling damage. Initially you would take damage from a fall and probably die. However, if you got the right skills you could float down and take no damage. You could also do a stun that would affect a group of mobs when you hit. So I opted for "Undecided".

I guess that would be falling while unprepared kills you, but falling while prepared does not.

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  Four0Six

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9/02/13 9:31:48 AM#13

There should be more options.

Different games should be different.

For example an OW FFA full Loot PvP game should.

CoH did, but would leave you with 1 hp no matter from what height, I liked this.

I also like to see some variable damage from falling.

But dying in a GW2 jumping puzzle will piss me off for sure.

  Bigmamajama

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9/02/13 11:12:09 AM#14

As developers continue to remove any sort of player challenge other than "double tapping" to avoid being hit, games continue to become simpler and simpler affairs.  Why bother with ground travel at all anymore?  Mounts are now available at level 1, quick travel points are everywhere,  just turn every game into a flight sim where your character is your aircraft, seems that's where things are headed with everyone flipping and flying around like tree monkeys on crack.

 

  GamerBKM

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9/02/13 11:36:44 AM#15

It is an adamant "Yes!" from me. But then, I am always looking for games that immerse me into the world... Well, as much as I can be immersed into a fantasy.

  jesteralways

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9/02/13 11:43:46 AM#16
It all depends on the game's lore. For example : Rift, in Rift we play as ascended; immortal being who are risen from death again and again; if an immortal took damage from falling it would look ridiculous, so in case of Rift falling damage is not acceptable to me. now if we take WoW for example, we are just normal adventurers in WoW, so falling damage is normal here. so i will say it all depends on lore and such. 

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Nadia

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9/02/13 1:07:35 PM#17
Originally posted by Crazy_Stick

here we have EQN providing glides and acrobatic leaps over great distances and tall cliff like features to turn terrain into artwork and jumping platforms.

worth noting that both EQN characters were wearing Boots of the Zephyr

http://www.reddit.com/r/EQNext/comments/1jsq8v/where_do_boots_of_the_zephyr_fit_in_are_magic/

 

  Allein

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9/02/13 2:01:44 PM#18

I like having falling damage and having to figure out how to get from A to B without dying.

I can't find the link, but I believe Dave Georgeson made a reference to Safe Fall and gear effecting it during Gamescom or another recent interview. He may have just been using it as a reference, but it seemed like he was saying it was in EQN.

  Mendel

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9/02/13 2:03:37 PM#19

I had to vote Undecided.

Fall damage will depend on the 'tone' of the RPG.   If the game is leaning towards a fantasy 'simulation' where there are systems to emulate a human body and the physics that affect it.   I would expect fall damage to be important there, just as asphyxiation would be.   EQ1 and LotRO are good examples of this.

If the game is more lighthearted, the environmental physics don't need to be as important.  And the player probably doesn't notice it.   These types of games frequently feature abnormal physics -- in-air course changes or jumps that would make the Hulk struggle to keep up or just unprotected exposure to hard vacuum.

So, as long as the in-game physics are consistent and the game is fun, my decision is totally going to depend on my mood at the time.

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  GrayKodiak

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9/02/13 2:08:25 PM#20

I was, and still am, a fan of Lotro's falling damage system....you can die if you jump off of weathertop and don't hit anything on the way down...that is a long fall.

But smaller falls (that are still 10 feet high or more, tend to just injure you in a way that makes you limp and hurts your defense for a certain small amount of time. I like this than a flat hp damage that healers can just heal out of or you grow so powerful that you just absorb it without caring, it also may actually be more punishing as it stops you from using unrealistic falls as short cuts.

 

That being said TSW was fine with no falling damage because for the most part they didn't have huge drops anyway (there were a few dungeons however that used the no falling damage to good effect),

Some games like wow had such odd terrain, such as the old thousand needles that you need falling damage to reinforce the idea of height, but in reality I don't think people "fall" as much as characters do in MMO's, real terrain isn't ...cliff...cliff...tree trunk...cliff, that these MMO's use to guide you through areas. Anyone who has been up a real mountain will tell you "falling" off is impossible unless you are on some kind of ledge or sheer face rock climbing....but so many MMO's make it where if you are walking the wrong way down a slope you start falling...and that is stupid.

 

All that being said it really depends on the game, I loved Age of Wushu's system it created a dimension of movement unlike anything else I have ever played, but it was of course based off of Wire-fu movies and old Wushu/Wulin lore

In that game falling only happened if you were not paying attention or got caught off guard by an attack

http://youtu.be/q0bSmbWf5GM

 

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