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  Enrif

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9/03/13 4:09:55 PM#81
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by Dauntis
So, let me get this right. You are okay with rogues being able to stealth in broad daylight right in front of people, wizards summoning elemental spells, teleportation, a guy who can transform into a bear, two tons of dragon flying through the air on inadequate wingspans and bikini mail that has the same stats as the guy's full chain... but you can't accept some gymkata parkouring with people turning in mid air?

And you sir have won the thread.

 

Also note that the girl had on the boots of gliding that they showed in the reveal video you nubs.

 

This seems to be what the modern generation of gamers can't seem to understand.

People want CONSISTENCY within that particular IP's world.  Thats all.

If you read every single twilight book, and then all of a sudden in the next book the main character can start casting fireballs after uttering vaguely latin phrases, with no explanation or tie in to the existing world.  Other than because, man, its just COOL and FUIN!!!, you would get pissed.

Well, EQN took the EQ world, whipped their proverbial member out, and just started pissing aaalllll over the IP, solely for the purpose of making fistfuls of mone....errr FUN and COOLNESS!

Ever played Warcraft3 ? Its the same IP as World of Warcraft. Still this are different games. One is a RTS one is a MMO.

And to your example with twilight. its wrong. what you say is a change of lore not of the IP. The correct example would be the old Spiderman Movies vs. the new One. Both have the same IP but different styles. Same goes for EQN and EQ. Both are the same IP, but are totaly different.

another Example, the complete Final Fantasy franchise. The story and gameplay are different among different titels. But still they are considered the same IP cause they use same core elements, like the summons, or naming of classes and spells.

  HighMarshal

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9/03/13 4:13:55 PM#82

I seem to remember this same whine when EQ2 came out. How it was nothing like EQ but in name only. They took the world, lore and everything and slapped a new game on it. It had the audacity to not even play like the original! :O

Blah blah frikken blah!

  Hrimnir

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9/03/13 11:10:28 PM#83
Originally posted by Enrif
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by Dauntis
So, let me get this right. You are okay with rogues being able to stealth in broad daylight right in front of people, wizards summoning elemental spells, teleportation, a guy who can transform into a bear, two tons of dragon flying through the air on inadequate wingspans and bikini mail that has the same stats as the guy's full chain... but you can't accept some gymkata parkouring with people turning in mid air?

And you sir have won the thread.

 

Also note that the girl had on the boots of gliding that they showed in the reveal video you nubs.

 

This seems to be what the modern generation of gamers can't seem to understand.

People want CONSISTENCY within that particular IP's world.  Thats all.

If you read every single twilight book, and then all of a sudden in the next book the main character can start casting fireballs after uttering vaguely latin phrases, with no explanation or tie in to the existing world.  Other than because, man, its just COOL and FUIN!!!, you would get pissed.

Well, EQN took the EQ world, whipped their proverbial member out, and just started pissing aaalllll over the IP, solely for the purpose of making fistfuls of mone....errr FUN and COOLNESS!

Ever played Warcraft3 ? Its the same IP as World of Warcraft. Still this are different games. One is a RTS one is a MMO.

And to your example with twilight. its wrong. what you say is a change of lore not of the IP. The correct example would be the old Spiderman Movies vs. the new One. Both have the same IP but different styles. Same goes for EQN and EQ. Both are the same IP, but are totaly different.

another Example, the complete Final Fantasy franchise. The story and gameplay are different among different titels. But still they are considered the same IP cause they use same core elements, like the summons, or naming of classes and spells.

No, Lore / IP is the same thing.  Warhammer is an IP, Star Wars is an IP.  If you started putting klingons in star wars universe you would be screwing with the IP and the Lore.

Warcraft 3 and World of Warcraft are still consistent with each other.  They're different types of games but its not like Warcraft 3 has giant Anime Style Mechs runnin around shooting lasers at each other and WOW doesnt.  They're still internally consistent with the IP.

Everquest never had cartoony style to it. It was always a somewhat more serious IP.  The art style never featured massive shoulderpads and blocky wow style buildings and armor and weapons etc.  Even something as simple as fall dmg is clearly missing or severely reduced in EQN, and even if it did exist you still have so much of the BS anime style double jump, turn in midair, bullshit that you could easily negate it.  Its just ridiculous and doesn't belong in an EQ game.  There is a reason very few EQ fans are excited about this game.  Even Michael Bitton knew from day 1 of seeing the initial part of the game that the art style was going to be a major point of contention.

Anyways, ive made my point, im going to leave the thread alone before i fly off the handle and get myself banned again.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  Hrimnir

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Joined: 5/24/10
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9/03/13 11:13:21 PM#84
Originally posted by HighMarshal

I seem to remember this same whine when EQ2 came out. How it was nothing like EQ but in name only. They took the world, lore and everything and slapped a new game on it. It had the audacity to not even play like the original! :O

Blah blah frikken blah!

Ok, i'll respond to this briefly.

The only major difference was in EQ2 the world had been basically exploded in a couple islands.  It still maintained a bunch of the same zones, cities, mobs, etc.  The art style was still in the same vein.

Comparing EQ1 and EQ2 to EQN is a whole different ballgame.

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  klaphood

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9/03/13 11:19:40 PM#85

Super Mario Next?

 

No intention of sounding ignorant, but I can't believe it's 2013 and people still get excited, and then even about a Minecraft-esque MMO with a little GW2 touch that claims to be the new thing. :/

 

Guess I'm getting old. ':D

  Allein

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Joined: 6/11/13
Posts: 788

9/04/13 2:30:41 AM#86
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by HighMarshal

I seem to remember this same whine when EQ2 came out. How it was nothing like EQ but in name only. They took the world, lore and everything and slapped a new game on it. It had the audacity to not even play like the original! :O

Blah blah frikken blah!

Ok, i'll respond to this briefly.

The only major difference was in EQ2 the world had been basically exploded in a couple islands.  It still maintained a bunch of the same zones, cities, mobs, etc.  The art style was still in the same vein.

Comparing EQ1 and EQ2 to EQN is a whole different ballgame.

It's almost like EQ2 was EQ1's sequel and EQN is a brand new take on the IP aimed at an entirely different group of players (much larger group) hoping to capitalize on creating a mash up of multiple sub genres to keep the game going for years down the road, retaining players for long periods of time, all while not running on fumes.

FYI, it appears EQN's world might have a bunch of the same zones, cities, mobs, etc. Hence the EQ in the name.

  Enrif

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Joined: 8/06/13
Posts: 137

9/04/13 5:59:37 AM#87
Originally posted by Hrimnir

No, Lore / IP is the same thing.  Warhammer is an IP, Star Wars is an IP.  If you started putting klingons in star wars universe you would be screwing with the IP and the Lore..

That's wrong, IP (intelectual property) and Lore (background story) are by far not the same.

 

Just as an example the Final Fantasy IP. Every single game has its own Lore. The Lore of FF7 and FF8 are different. But through using same names(Bahamut, Ifrit, Cid, Vita) and and other iconic stuff its still the same IP.

And to even better example look at FF13 and then look at FF Crystal Chronicles. This is a huge difference in art style, gameplay and lore. Still the same IP by using iconic names.

 

Originally posted by Allein

FYI, it appears EQN's world might have a bunch of the same zones, cities, mobs, etc. Hence the EQ in the name.

Thats exactly what matters to still give it account t be a EQ game.

  Dewm

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9/04/13 7:24:38 PM#88
Originally posted by Allein
Originally posted by Kharisha

My favourite comments here are about "game for kidzzz" or "Game for the massezzzz" or "Tis gem haz nO phYscs"

Well, screw you. I'm 24 and I'm looking forward to this game. I guess I'm a kid and mass audience at the same time and devs should milk me at best and blah blah blah. What a load of s.. Seriously.

The movement system here is no more then a demo of EQLandmark and it looks amazing compared to anything that was before it. 

you can always pretend to be adult and wait for uninspired Black Desert for example and by playing it you can prove that you are old fart that is looking for shaders, tesselation and other stuff that 99% of gamers does not need. In fact you can contribute to the forum on how awesome you are.

I should add that EQNext is first of all a VIDEOGAME and it does the most important part in it compared to any modern POS MMO out there right now. Fun Factor. End of story.

Total agreement. So tired of all the haters that want a game to be more punishment then entertainment. Complaining that a game is not designed for 40 year old men. I was 17 or so when EQ came out. It was not designed for old men, sorry to break it to everyone that thinks it was some mature, dark, realistic themed fantasy game.

 

This^^

 

I'm 25, have a full time career.. a house, 2 kids.. I would consider myself an adult....

 

But yeah this game looks fun, sure its a little cheesy on the graphics, but honestly cartoony graphics age really well. I would rather have graphics that are going to look good 10 years from now, then super ultra realistic graphics that look like sh1t in 3 years.

 

Not to mention that my oldest (who is now 5) is getting to the point where she picks up on alot of stuff, so I don't want her watching me playing a graphics bloody language ridden game that she can't sit and watch me play.

 

So all of you "old farts" need to get a life, even if all of you banded together and donated $1000.00/ea you wouldn't have enough money to build EQ:N.. so in the long run, no one cares about you or your opinion. 

 

All in all I am very happy with what I've seen so far, looks like they are really trying to do something different, which is awesome.

 

And yes i do own a console (actually a couple of them).. so does that make me a console gamer fanboi? lol.. 

 

truth is I have tons of forms of media, from my PC, to my xbox to my tablet etc.. heck even have an OculusRift headed my way on the next ship-out.. But I dont' see why that should dictate whether my opinions on games is valid or not..

 

 

Oh well... just wasting my time here.

 

TL:DR

2thumbs up to SOE, one middle finger up to the haters.

  JeroKane

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9/05/13 4:35:41 AM#89
Well at least you don´t need (Flying) Mounts anymore. Seeing that video.
  Magicabbage

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9/05/13 4:41:55 AM#90
Originally posted by HighMarshal
Originally posted by mustang2750
Ugh that was dissappointing.  Looked very cartoony and arcadelike. 

Good thing I like cartoons and arcades.

HAHAH me too! /highfive

 

  Xarko

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9/05/13 5:56:24 AM#91
Originally posted by Magicabbage
Originally posted by HighMarshal
Originally posted by mustang2750
Ugh that was dissappointing.  Looked very cartoony and arcadelike. 

Good thing I like cartoons and arcades.

HAHAH me too! /highfive

 

I love arcades too, they can entertain me for a one whole week.

  Sengi

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9/05/13 12:49:23 PM#92

I think they missed an opportunity to make the game more interesting and more believable at the same time.

 

This is the kind of over the acrobatics you normally see in a kung-fu movie. In this movies it is implied that these people can flip trough the air like crazy because they are magical kung-fu fighters. You don't see an average Joe jumping from building to building on his way to work.

 

In EQN these over the top parkuor movements and the ability to drop from any height without hurting oneself is given to everyone right from the start, I guess. This leaves me thinking that this is not a special ability but a rule of the world. Norrath has a level of realism similar to Super Mario World and even basic laws of physics don't apply. What is the point of having a castle with a trench and a wall if everyone can just jump over it.

Somehow this does not fit with my ability to suspend my disbelief, if everyone can basically fly in a normal fantasy setting without any explanation. Maybe this would be different if the game had an asian theme.

 

Furthermore I think it doesn't make much sense to have a magical ability, if everyone has it. It would be much more interesting if the over the top stuff was reserved for certain classes. I don't say they should remove the parkour stuff completely, since everyone should be able to jump over a fence and slide down a slope, but keep the over the top abilities to the monk. The mage could use his ability to teleport to get around.

  Kharisha

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OP  9/05/13 1:14:15 PM#93
Originally posted by Sengi

I think they missed an opportunity to make the game more interesting and more believable at the same time.

 

This is the kind of over the acrobatics you normally see in a kung-fu movie. In this movies it is implied that these people can flip trough the air like crazy because they are magical kung-fu fighters. You don't see an average Joe jumping from building to building on his way to work.

 

In EQN these over the top parkuor movements and the ability to drop from any height without hurting oneself is given to everyone right from the start, I guess. This leaves me thinking that this is not a special ability but a rule of the world. Norrath has a level of realism similar to Super Mario World and even basic laws of physics don't apply. What is the point of having a castle with a trench and a wall if everyone can just jump over it.

Somehow this does not fit with my ability to suspend my disbelief, if everyone can basically fly in a normal fantasy setting without any explanation. Maybe this would be different if the game had an asian theme.

 

Furthermore I think it doesn't make much sense to have a magical ability, if everyone has it. It would be much more interesting if the over the top stuff was reserved for certain classes. I don't say they should remove the parkour stuff completely, since everyone should be able to jump over a fence and slide down a slope, but keep the over the top abilities to the monk. The mage could use his ability to teleport to get around.

You are looking too much in to it. The video represented nothing but EQLandmark movement system.

 

how it will work in EQNext or in the final build is still unknown.

  Distopia

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9/05/13 1:32:09 PM#94
In a genre full of cardboard cutouts running around with no interactivity with the world around them, I find this sort of refreshing to see, over the top at times, still refreshing, the point of the video seemed to be to showcase the options in terms of interaction, so I don't think the over the top stuff was really out of place.

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  Distopia

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9/05/13 1:36:20 PM#95
Originally posted by Xarko
Originally posted by Magicabbage
Originally posted by HighMarshal
Originally posted by mustang2750
Ugh that was dissappointing.  Looked very cartoony and arcadelike. 

Good thing I like cartoons and arcades.

HAHAH me too! /highfive

 

I love arcades too, they can entertain me for a one whole week.

Thankfully EQN seems to offer more than just one thing.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  HighMarshal

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9/05/13 2:35:04 PM#96
Originally posted by Hrimnir
Originally posted by HighMarshal

I seem to remember this same whine when EQ2 came out. How it was nothing like EQ but in name only. They took the world, lore and everything and slapped a new game on it. It had the audacity to not even play like the original! :O

Blah blah frikken blah!

Ok, i'll respond to this briefly.

The only major difference was in EQ2 the world had been basically exploded in a couple islands.  It still maintained a bunch of the same zones, cities, mobs, etc.  The art style was still in the same vein.

Comparing EQ1 and EQ2 to EQN is a whole different ballgame.

The thing is we haven't really seen any of that yet. We know most of the same areas will be in, but re-imagined. Same goes for the mobs, cities and so forth. The only thing that will be different is the lore and the look of those things. I wouldn't say the art style was in the same vein between EQ2 and EQ1 unless you use the SOGA models which I prefer for most races.

 

Game play wise, EQNext will be about as different from EQ2 as it was from EQ1.

  Mardy

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9/05/13 6:10:36 PM#97
Originally posted by HighMarshal

I seem to remember this same whine when EQ2 came out. How it was nothing like EQ but in name only. They took the world, lore and everything and slapped a new game on it. It had the audacity to not even play like the original! :O

Blah blah frikken blah!

Yeah and in case you missed the memo, EQ2 never attracted as many players as EQ1 had during its peak, and EQ2 lost to WoW big time for releasing at the same time 1 month apart.  Also in case you missed the memo, EQ2 wasn't even a top 5 US MMO, they had to consolidate servers and make the game free to play to get people to play it.

 

Just saying, sometimes people's whines and complaints are legit.  You  may not agree with them, but Everquest franchise players have every right to complain about how this game called "Everquest Next" yet it has every little "Everquest" in it.  Oh and it didn't exactly do SOE very well when they flipped the finger to their EQ1 fanbase when EQ2 launched.  They had to back-track and revamp EQ2 for the next 2 years after launch to make EQ2 more like Everquest.  It finally became a decent game, but it wasn't without SOE revamping the heck out of the game.

EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO

  Utinni

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9/05/13 6:21:46 PM#98

My biggest complaint about how they handled it for loyal fans of their franchise is "well those games aren't going away! you can still play EQ1 and EQ2 !"

Thanks George!

  Darknessguy64

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9/05/13 6:33:13 PM#99
Originally posted by Utinni

My biggest complaint about how they handled it for loyal fans of their franchise is "well those games aren't going away! you can still play EQ1 and EQ2 !"

Thanks George!

 

It worked for Xbox!!

  Bigmamajama

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9/05/13 7:30:18 PM#100
All these plans should tie in nicely to the "cash shop". 
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