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  Zorgo

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9/03/13 8:47:56 AM#61
Originally posted by Mendel

 

And how is she able to turn left in mid-jump?  Physics doesn't allow changes in vectors in mid-flight without an expenditure of energy.   But she clearly jumps in one direction, moves a distance, rotates in the air and moves off in the new direction before landing.   Facing has no bearing on a vector.

No shit! It's like she's some fantasy heroine with magical powers or enchanted items or something......

  Hatefull

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9/03/13 8:52:10 AM#62

The demo toon reminded me of Laura Croft...just saying. other than that I believe it is still too early to tell how things will play out. I hope they are as cool as we all want them to be, but only time will tell.

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  Whiskey_Sam

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9/03/13 9:36:56 AM#63
We finally have an answer to what a dev's midlife crisis looks like.

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  Bacchira

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9/03/13 9:42:55 AM#64
Originally posted by Scalpless
Parkour is cool, but doing a flip every time you jump over a tiny stone (~5 seconds in) is too much of it. Hopefully, they'll tone it down and make it more like Mirror's Edge or Assassin's Creed.

My thoughts exactly.

  Beanpuie

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9/03/13 9:48:05 AM#65

I like it.

 

now add some  spike traps, walls of flames,  falling debris via ceiling,  swinging guillotine blades, small segregated water ponds filled with piranhas. then thief, treasure hunters and shadow walkers can really act out the part of being nimble, tumbling adventurers vs. being planted bags of meat with over sized armor and two daggers to show for it.

pretty plausible start of abilities to use in  puzzle mission/ puzzle jumping missions from the looks of it.

 

  saker

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9/03/13 10:01:43 AM#66


Originally posted by Xarko
Reason why parkour is so cool IRL is that only a few people can do it on a top level and it has this "wow" effect for most of people.

This video indeed looks cool, but once you'll see 20+ people jumping around the town like that, well .. :)

Looking forward to see some awesome parkour parks made in Landmark tho.


I think you hit on something, 20+ people jumping around like that is going to get old and ridiculous looking quick, and if they have characters like the EQ1, EQ2 Ogres and Trolls doing it well....

  Zarriya

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9/03/13 10:05:34 AM#67
Originally posted by HighMarshal
I am hoping that with characters being transferable to EQNext, they will have a full range of races or at least allow us to do a full race change and customization as part of the transfer.

I do too.

  saker

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9/03/13 10:06:01 AM#68


Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by Eladi I don't really mind, its a game whit dragons and trolls and flaming swords of  dwarf slapping, Its not like the game itself it anywhere close to realism.
It's not about realism, but about style. BioShock: Infinite, The Witcher, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Tomb Raider and Dishonored aren't realistic, but they're stylish. EQN isn't realistic, but it doesn't seem to be stylish, either. Right now it looks like a weird mishmash of WoW, Disney, Tomb Raider and wuxia. Lara Croft doing wire acrobatics with a Disney lion guy dressed in WoW armor is more confusing than cool.


You've summed up my feeling perfectly. It -does- look exactly as you said

"it looks like a weird mishmash of WoW, Disney, Tomb Raider and wuxia. Lara Croft doing wire acrobatics with a Disney lion guy dressed in WoW armor"

  Kyllien

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9/03/13 10:21:21 AM#69
Originally posted by saker

 


Originally posted by Scalpless

Originally posted by Eladi I don't really mind, its a game whit dragons and trolls and flaming swords of  dwarf slapping, Its not like the game itself it anywhere close to realism.
It's not about realism, but about style. BioShock: Infinite, The Witcher, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Tomb Raider and Dishonored aren't realistic, but they're stylish. EQN isn't realistic, but it doesn't seem to be stylish, either. Right now it looks like a weird mishmash of WoW, Disney, Tomb Raider and wuxia. Lara Croft doing wire acrobatics with a Disney lion guy dressed in WoW armor is more confusing than cool.

 


You've summed up my feeling perfectly. It -does- look exactly as you said

"it looks like a weird mishmash of WoW, Disney, Tomb Raider and wuxia. Lara Croft doing wire acrobatics with a Disney lion guy dressed in WoW armor"

Come on guys they still have to smooth the character looks and animations.  Why don't we wait an see what it looks like over the next couple of months leading up to Landmarks release.  At least then we will have playable characters that we can create to our liking.  Then if you really don't like it still well look at that you haven't spent any money so just walk away. 

And for the record The Lion King was a lion; not a Kerran.  He never walked on two legs.  He never wore armor.  Neither Simba or Mufasa look like the Kerran.

If you don't like the look of the Kerran model they chose then I also have good news for you: You don't have to play a Kerran.  Or even if you do yours doesn't have to look anything like the model  they chose.

  xAPOCx

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9/03/13 11:37:44 AM#70
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Rydeson
So everyone is a super hero doing 200 yard jumps with twist, slips and spins.. Nice..  What is the name of the game again.. EQGymnastics?

cool huh?

hope you guys like it it's what the masses are asking for....

With every little bit of info released im staying further and further away from this abomonation wich is not everquest. but (random title Next). I have to say the dwarfs look oke as a Dwarf fan i kinda like em.

Strikes me as a demand from the console gamer masses.  I was hoping for a serious PC MMO, sigh.

my sentiment exactly. This is just more proof of the influenced console gamers have on the mmo industry. trying to make mmos into games like tomb raider and devil may cry action based games.

 

its becoming more and more apparent that my time in the mmo world is coming to an end. its a shame really. Was looking forward to perhaps playing a traditional style MMO that can take advantage of todays technological advancements. kinda makes me somewhat sad.

  Tygranir

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9/03/13 11:40:33 AM#71
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Vorthanion
Originally posted by xeniar
Originally posted by Rydeson
So everyone is a super hero doing 200 yard jumps with twist, slips and spins.. Nice..  What is the name of the game again.. EQGymnastics?

cool huh?

hope you guys like it it's what the masses are asking for....

With every little bit of info released im staying further and further away from this abomonation wich is not everquest. but (random title Next). I have to say the dwarfs look oke as a Dwarf fan i kinda like em.

Strikes me as a demand from the console gamer masses.  I was hoping for a serious PC MMO, sigh.

my sentiment exactly. This is just more proof of the influenced console gamers have on the mmo industry. trying to make mmos into games like tomb raider and devil may cry action based games.

 

its becoming more and more apparent that my time in the mmo world is coming to an end. its a shame really. Was looking forward to perhaps playing a traditional style MMO that can take advantage of todays technological advancements. kinda makes me somewhat sad.

I understand your sentiment, but FF14 just relaunched and is an old school MMO with today's technology. This just isn't that game.

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  grifj

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9/03/13 11:58:41 AM#72

LOL at this video.  Seriously, am I playing Tomb Raider or a MMORPG?

Less and less interested in the art design and direction of this game every day. 

I'm sure it's quite a few people's cup of tea, though..  just not mine.

  xAPOCx

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9/03/13 12:14:15 PM#73
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Hrimnir
 
 
Originally posted by Kharisha

My favourite comments here are about "game for kidzzz" or "Game for the massezzzz" or "Tis gem haz nO phYscs"

 

Well, screw you. I'm 24 and I'm looking forward to this game. I guess I'm a kid and mass audience at the same time and devs should milk me at best and blah blah blah. What a load of s.. Seriously.

The movement system here is no more then a demo of EQLandmark and it looks amazing compared to anything that was before it. 

you can always pretend to be adult and wait for uninspired Black Desert for example and by playing it you can prove that you are old fart that is looking for shaders, tesselation and other stuff that 99% of gamers does not need. In fact you can contribute to the forum on how awesome you are.

 

I should add that EQNext is first of all a VIDEOGAME and it does the most important part in it compared to any modern POS MMO out there right now. Fun Factor. End of story.

We'll get back to you 3 months after the games released and ask how you how well all that "fun" held up for you.  You may be 24 and excited about this, and im sure there are plenty of early 20's as well that are just as excited, but i assure you this game will have a terrible community.  Its going to be filled with nanosecond attention span teens and tweens and is going to make the DOTA 2 community look mature.

 

Yeah.. well. thats a fair bet, isn't it? Because every damn community out there is like that the last ten years. And beside of that i guess the community will be better than in a lot of other MMORPGs.

Because.. simply put.. creativity and sandbox gameplay usually connects people a little bit more as any 0815 themepark.

Ok. so a little bet? Wildstar, TESO or EQN, what will be the best and what will be the worst community? I bet EQN will not the worst out of those 3, even that it is F2P and F2P don't make communities any better, but usually worst.

 

Im still not convinced that EQN is goin to be this huge sandbox game their promising.

  Xarko

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9/03/13 12:41:13 PM#74
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Hrimnir
 
 
Originally posted by Kharisha

My favourite comments here are about "game for kidzzz" or "Game for the massezzzz" or "Tis gem haz nO phYscs"

 

Well, screw you. I'm 24 and I'm looking forward to this game. I guess I'm a kid and mass audience at the same time and devs should milk me at best and blah blah blah. What a load of s.. Seriously.

The movement system here is no more then a demo of EQLandmark and it looks amazing compared to anything that was before it. 

you can always pretend to be adult and wait for uninspired Black Desert for example and by playing it you can prove that you are old fart that is looking for shaders, tesselation and other stuff that 99% of gamers does not need. In fact you can contribute to the forum on how awesome you are.

 

I should add that EQNext is first of all a VIDEOGAME and it does the most important part in it compared to any modern POS MMO out there right now. Fun Factor. End of story.

We'll get back to you 3 months after the games released and ask how you how well all that "fun" held up for you.  You may be 24 and excited about this, and im sure there are plenty of early 20's as well that are just as excited, but i assure you this game will have a terrible community.  Its going to be filled with nanosecond attention span teens and tweens and is going to make the DOTA 2 community look mature.

 

Yeah.. well. thats a fair bet, isn't it? Because every damn community out there is like that the last ten years. And beside of that i guess the community will be better than in a lot of other MMORPGs.

Because.. simply put.. creativity and sandbox gameplay usually connects people a little bit more as any 0815 themepark.

Ok. so a little bet? Wildstar, TESO or EQN, what will be the best and what will be the worst community? I bet EQN will not the worst out of those 3, even that it is F2P and F2P don't make communities any better, but usually worst.

 

Im still not convinced that EQN is goin to be this huge sandbox game their promising.

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  xAPOCx

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9/03/13 12:44:02 PM#75
Originally posted by Xarko
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Hrimnir
 
 
Originally posted by Kharisha

My favourite comments here are about "game for kidzzz" or "Game for the massezzzz" or "Tis gem haz nO phYscs"

 

Well, screw you. I'm 24 and I'm looking forward to this game. I guess I'm a kid and mass audience at the same time and devs should milk me at best and blah blah blah. What a load of s.. Seriously.

The movement system here is no more then a demo of EQLandmark and it looks amazing compared to anything that was before it. 

you can always pretend to be adult and wait for uninspired Black Desert for example and by playing it you can prove that you are old fart that is looking for shaders, tesselation and other stuff that 99% of gamers does not need. In fact you can contribute to the forum on how awesome you are.

 

I should add that EQNext is first of all a VIDEOGAME and it does the most important part in it compared to any modern POS MMO out there right now. Fun Factor. End of story.

We'll get back to you 3 months after the games released and ask how you how well all that "fun" held up for you.  You may be 24 and excited about this, and im sure there are plenty of early 20's as well that are just as excited, but i assure you this game will have a terrible community.  Its going to be filled with nanosecond attention span teens and tweens and is going to make the DOTA 2 community look mature.

 

Yeah.. well. thats a fair bet, isn't it? Because every damn community out there is like that the last ten years. And beside of that i guess the community will be better than in a lot of other MMORPGs.

Because.. simply put.. creativity and sandbox gameplay usually connects people a little bit more as any 0815 themepark.

Ok. so a little bet? Wildstar, TESO or EQN, what will be the best and what will be the worst community? I bet EQN will not the worst out of those 3, even that it is F2P and F2P don't make communities any better, but usually worst.

 

Im still not convinced that EQN is goin to be this huge sandbox game (they're) promising.

Me neighter

oh and they're*

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  Siug

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9/03/13 12:47:11 PM#76
Originally posted by Whiskey_Sam
We finally have an answer to what a dev's midlife crisis looks like.

lol 

  Apraxis

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9/03/13 1:38:17 PM#77
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Xarko
Originally posted by xAPOCx
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Hrimnir
 
 
Originally posted by Kharisha

My favourite comments here are about "game for kidzzz" or "Game for the massezzzz" or "Tis gem haz nO phYscs"

 

Well, screw you. I'm 24 and I'm looking forward to this game. I guess I'm a kid and mass audience at the same time and devs should milk me at best and blah blah blah. What a load of s.. Seriously.

The movement system here is no more then a demo of EQLandmark and it looks amazing compared to anything that was before it. 

you can always pretend to be adult and wait for uninspired Black Desert for example and by playing it you can prove that you are old fart that is looking for shaders, tesselation and other stuff that 99% of gamers does not need. In fact you can contribute to the forum on how awesome you are.

 

I should add that EQNext is first of all a VIDEOGAME and it does the most important part in it compared to any modern POS MMO out there right now. Fun Factor. End of story.

We'll get back to you 3 months after the games released and ask how you how well all that "fun" held up for you.  You may be 24 and excited about this, and im sure there are plenty of early 20's as well that are just as excited, but i assure you this game will have a terrible community.  Its going to be filled with nanosecond attention span teens and tweens and is going to make the DOTA 2 community look mature.

 

Yeah.. well. thats a fair bet, isn't it? Because every damn community out there is like that the last ten years. And beside of that i guess the community will be better than in a lot of other MMORPGs.

Because.. simply put.. creativity and sandbox gameplay usually connects people a little bit more as any 0815 themepark.

Ok. so a little bet? Wildstar, TESO or EQN, what will be the best and what will be the worst community? I bet EQN will not the worst out of those 3, even that it is F2P and F2P don't make communities any better, but usually worst.

 

Im still not convinced that EQN is goin to be this huge sandbox game (they're) promising.

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How big of a sandbox it really will be is a competely different question. One thing is for sure.. that it will be more of a sandbox than EQ1 or EQ2.. but i do guess that it will be more restrictive than some more indy/hardcoreish sandboxes, because of their mainstream target audience. But as long as we don't have heard anything about crafting, anything about pvp or anything about a lot of other features, which are important for a sandbox experience we can just guess. But a lot of what we know points out that it will be more of a sandbox than a themepark.

Like building stuff, more horizontal progression, roaming mobs/emergent AI, more open character system all those fits better into a sandbox, although not really making a sandbox.. it depends how a lot of other stuff will be, how will be the player driven economy, is there a player driven economy at all? How can you build precisely? Can you build player cities?(some hints say yes) What and how much will be instanced, and what will be in the open world? Will there be regional markets? Will there be trading, and more precisly do you can/have to transport goods from A to B?

How works the resource system exactly? Is there any pvp, and if how will pvp influence the world? Will there be territorial warfare of some kind? Can we build castles? Can we conquer castles? Can a clan collect taxes from their player city/castle? And a lot of other stuff... important stuff.

But 99% of the community complains about graphic style.. about graphic style? Could there be a feature less important than graphic style? Or about some movement gimmicks... about a friggin gimmick.

Yeah.. really the most important, most defining stuff. And yes the last sentence was sarcastic.. just to be clear.

  grimfall

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9/03/13 2:01:46 PM#78

Unless pressing the forward button is now considered "gameplay", this isn't gameplay.

 

It needs to be toned down.  Hopefully they'll figure that out.  The gliding bit, I don't like, though someone said it's because of some gear she has.. but if everyone has that same gear, then it's just a default movement style anyway.   The model seems to have no weight to it, and all the actions are done with too much ease.  When you slide down a gravelly slope, it's not easy, it takes balance and a lot of effort in your quads and hams.  They need to incorporate more of that effort into the animations.

The 'Unrealistic physics make sense because dinosaurs didn't breathe fire" gang, need to Google search "red herring", and then quit doing it... unless they're of the opinion that the new Norrath is inside of Neo's super computers.  It's about what "fits" into a game setting and what doesn't.  You may as well be arguing for Crash Bandicoot and his watermelon transforming hand-cannon to be a good fit for the game.

  Hrimnir

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Posts: 1066

9/03/13 3:17:39 PM#79
Originally posted by Apraxis
Originally posted by Hrimnir
 
 
Originally posted by Kharisha

My favourite comments here are about "game for kidzzz" or "Game for the massezzzz" or "Tis gem haz nO phYscs"

 

Well, screw you. I'm 24 and I'm looking forward to this game. I guess I'm a kid and mass audience at the same time and devs should milk me at best and blah blah blah. What a load of s.. Seriously.

The movement system here is no more then a demo of EQLandmark and it looks amazing compared to anything that was before it. 

you can always pretend to be adult and wait for uninspired Black Desert for example and by playing it you can prove that you are old fart that is looking for shaders, tesselation and other stuff that 99% of gamers does not need. In fact you can contribute to the forum on how awesome you are.

 

I should add that EQNext is first of all a VIDEOGAME and it does the most important part in it compared to any modern POS MMO out there right now. Fun Factor. End of story.

We'll get back to you 3 months after the games released and ask how you how well all that "fun" held up for you.  You may be 24 and excited about this, and im sure there are plenty of early 20's as well that are just as excited, but i assure you this game will have a terrible community.  Its going to be filled with nanosecond attention span teens and tweens and is going to make the DOTA 2 community look mature.

 

Yeah.. well. thats a fair bet, isn't it? Because every damn community out there is like that the last ten years. And beside of that i guess the community will be better than in a lot of other MMORPGs.

Because.. simply put.. creativity and sandbox gameplay usually connects people a little bit more as any 0815 themepark.

Ok. so a little bet? Wildstar, TESO or EQN, what will be the best and what will be the worst community? I bet EQN will not the worst out of those 3, even that it is F2P and F2P don't make communities any better, but usually worst.

 

Fair enough, and i certainly agree with you that EQN will not be the worst out of those 3, my guess is TESO.

The problem is 2 fold, first, F2P.  Always attracts horrible players, always.  Second, the gameplay elements.  Whatever people want to think, when you build a game for the lowest common denominator (or as people like to call it here, for "fun"), you get exactly that, the lowest common denominator.

Honestly these MMO devs are starting to remind me of people who are experiencing the gaming/developer equivalent of battered wife syndrome, they get their proverbial shit kicked in, go running away crying, and then come back for a second (or third, fourth, etc) round of it because they think the gaming population has "changed'.  What they never seemingly see is the (painfully obvious) is that they havent changed, because the people you are targetting are not MMO gamers, but are in fact normal gamers who play MMOs like you should expect them to... *gasp* single player games?!?!!! OMFG The logic.  You mean, just like a single player game they play it until they "see the content" and then move on to their next game?!?!!!!. You mean, this type of gamer is not conducive to what makes an MMO profitable which is a player sticking around for a long time.  You mean, things like, good communities, longer leveling times, heavily incentivized grouping, generally just not hand holding the person makes them actually appreciate the game more, and thus want to stick around more?  MADNESS, BLASPHEMY!

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

  Hrimnir

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9/03/13 3:21:17 PM#80
Originally posted by Saxx0n
Originally posted by Dauntis
So, let me get this right. You are okay with rogues being able to stealth in broad daylight right in front of people, wizards summoning elemental spells, teleportation, a guy who can transform into a bear, two tons of dragon flying through the air on inadequate wingspans and bikini mail that has the same stats as the guy's full chain... but you can't accept some gymkata parkouring with people turning in mid air?

And you sir have won the thread.

 

Also note that the girl had on the boots of gliding that they showed in the reveal video you nubs.

 

This seems to be what the modern generation of gamers can't seem to understand.

People want CONSISTENCY within that particular IP's world.  Thats all.

If you read every single twilight book, and then all of a sudden in the next book the main character can start casting fireballs after uttering vaguely latin phrases, with no explanation or tie in to the existing world.  Other than because, man, its just COOL and FUIN!!!, you would get pissed.

Well, EQN took the EQ world, whipped their proverbial member out, and just started pissing aaalllll over the IP, solely for the purpose of making fistfuls of mone....errr FUN and COOLNESS!

"The surest way to corrupt a youth is to instruct him to hold in higher esteem those who think alike than those who think differently."

- Friedrich Nietzsche

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