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  Shadanwolf

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Joined: 6/13/10
Posts: 1851

8/26/13 12:54:34 PM#61

I don't mind a subscription.I do mind a subscription plus cash shop.

I do mind what seems like an ongoing litany of  feature/production decisions I'm not happy with.

From being an avid follower of the game ...I now focus on trying to have fun with todays  games .

  Elikal

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8/26/13 12:58:03 PM#62

*rolls eyes* A boycott? Really? You can't be serious! You plan to boycott a game that isn't even released because it has a payment model you don't like based on a shop of which we know close to nothing?

Sounds a bit too much like drama tbh. I wait and see how everything is like.

A forum is a place where people can discuss about different opinions. So what I don't get is, how people react offended when they come to a forum and then find... well different opinions. If a different opinion offends you, what are you even doing here?

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
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8/26/13 1:14:34 PM#63
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

It's so unlikely to assume it will be 2 years just because rift lasted that long. 

Considering the IP,  the fact tat this will be one the first MMOs available on the PS4/XB1 that isn't a PS3 Port and that a good, but not great, game like Rift can do it, I hardly think it's unlikely. Care to pick a number and make side bet?

My pick... 2 years +, what's yours? 

It's amusing to see the wishful thinking freeloaders comment on my 2 years but not on the troll''s "few months." You guys are funny. 

And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely 

I had a huge thing written out, but then just deleted it. I decided you are not worth the time to argue with. I don't think it would really matter what I said, or numbers I showed. Your mind will not change. You think you are right and nothing will change that until you are proven wrong. So the only way will know for sure is when the game is released and we see how long it lasts.

Also this comment

"And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely "

You act like I was proven wrong -.-, and you tell me to pick MY numbers wisely as if your numbers are anymore smarter then mine -.- This is why I don't argue with people like you. You said at one point I was condescending, but your a lot worse.  At least when I did it, I was just fooling around.

  User Deleted
8/26/13 1:18:26 PM#64

Personally if I don't buy it... it won't be due to any of the things in the title.   It would be IF EQ Landmark is actually out before the end or the year (or at least in a beta state that I am in).   Simply because I am more interested in building things on my plot at this point.

 

If EQ Landmark was delayed and ESO came out.. I'd buy it.

  yalbn

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Joined: 8/06/12
Posts: 11

8/26/13 1:25:03 PM#65

Like they say, if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen!

Its all about making money for any company and  im sure alot of pple arent happy with Box and Sub fee's but with a big fan base like this im sure they will do well.

 I plan on giving it a shot.

 

Well back to FFARR for me until wildstar or EQN beta

  Xthos

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Joined: 4/18/10
Posts: 2577

8/26/13 1:28:20 PM#66

#1 reason I wouldn't buy it, is if I deem the mmo is no good and does not offer something I want, number 2 would be a cash shop that isn't basically cosmetic only, if it is a f2p type cash shop, then no thanks...I like p2p to avoid f2p cash shops, not get one to go along with it.

 

P2P and sub....doesn't show up on my radar as a reason not to play a game.

 

  Kayo45

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Joined: 7/01/13
Posts: 278

8/26/13 1:41:10 PM#67
They mentioned 1 single thing being in the cash shop, that Ive read about, and it was a name change or something. If thats all theyll have then Ill happily pay. If they start adding "cosmetics" and "leveling potions" ... idgaf, thats content ... they can go f themselves.

This game is 3rd on my list anyway. They havent really impressed me with anything yet. Having a full cash shop would just piss of both the p2p crowd and the f2p.
  ThomasN7

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Posts: 6609

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8/26/13 1:44:39 PM#68
Having a subscription model for an Elder Scrolls rpg is not very Elder Scrolls like now is it...
  Raquis

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Joined: 3/18/13
Posts: 201

8/26/13 1:46:56 PM#69

game is worth it,even though I am not happy with subscription fee.

rather moan if they don't give us game content worth the subscription fee.

don't buy crap now save your money or wait till end of next year then it will be free.

we all were bitshing that we cant play skyrim with our friends now we can play the hole world of

elders scrolls I am in 100%.

  Rorhc

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Joined: 10/25/09
Posts: 50

8/26/13 1:48:05 PM#70

Well it sounds like they already have a plan B lined up with the in game cash shop incase the sub thing doesn't do well. Beats having to implement it afterwards.

 

This could end up being very interesting.

  Mari2k

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Joined: 9/18/07
Posts: 379

8/26/13 1:49:41 PM#71
Originally posted by spankybus

I reserve my principles for boycotting companies who take advantage of people, animals, maybe even the environment. thinks that actually matter.

 

This is a game...games are chewing gum. Play it, have fun, spit it out, find a new piece.

 

I admire your conviction...there are a few organizations that could make good use of your zeal...forgive me if I just cannot get behind this one.

maybe for you, for many mmos are their fist life.

 

  DAS1337

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Joined: 11/28/07
Posts: 2318

8/26/13 1:49:58 PM#72
Originally posted by Betakodo

Remember when subscription fees meant everything was in game and there were cash shop money grabs? Remember when the first free to play game came out that was supported not by a subscription, but cash shop items? Cash shop items are supposed to be an alternate to the subscription model, but now they're going for the full money grab? What is this, Korea? It was stupid enough when world of warcraft did it, and people still defended the game and their money grab.

I was interested in the game, but on principle - will not buy it if they're going to do this. I play MMO's so I can work my way up to the cool looking stuffs. But if they're going to take the cool looking items out of the game and make me pay like $7 bucks for a "Fun" item, yeah not going to happen. I was just wondering how many people are giving this game a pass due to this.

Wait.. so you play MMO's to get cool looking stuff?  Wow dude, I feel bad for you... I really do.

 

Is that what the MMO community has turned into?  People who are just looking for the new shiny thing?  Have we as humans, devolved into mindless animals?  Wow.

 

I get your point, I really do.  But I'm going to do what I always do.  Which is to not take part in the cash shop.  I'm not forced to, so I won't.  Any game that forces me to do this to get ahead, I won't play.  Pretty simple in my book.

  ThomasN7

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"Had to be me. Someone else might have gotten it wrong.” - Mordin Solus

8/26/13 1:50:12 PM#73
Originally posted by potlaki

game is worth it,even though I am not happy with subscription fee.

rather moan if they don't give us game content worth the subscription fee.

don't buy crap now save your money or wait till end of next year then it will be free.

we all were bitshing that we cant play skyrim with our friends now we can play the hole world of

elders scrolls I am in 100%.

Skyrim > Elder Scrolls Online. You can't just make a multiplayer game, call it Elder Scrolls Online and expect ES fans to just be happy with it. I'm sorry but people want Skyrim Online instead of this. 

  Zinzan

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/03/06
Posts: 1353

8/26/13 1:50:22 PM#74

As all smart MMO gamers these days do, I will wait till its released and running before i consider buying the game or condemn the payment model.

Boycotting a game you know nothing about? Seriously?

Expresso gave me a Hearthstone beta key.....I'm so happy :)

  Duvaris

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/16/03
Posts: 128

8/26/13 1:52:04 PM#75
As long as its only cosmetic I don't care. It's not like this is anything new though. Other companies have done this. As long as people are willing to pay for it, I don't see anything wrong with it. They are in this business to make money after all. I am not really sure I'll even be playing it. Have to wait for open beta to decide.
  hasho83

Advanced Member

Joined: 3/14/13
Posts: 9

8/26/13 1:59:07 PM#76
 I was so excited bout this game ... but after i saw the payment type,i said : nope this aint gona be for me ... ;( (btw i rly love Elder Of Scrolls 3 Morrowind )
  Swedish_Chef

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Joined: 8/26/13
Posts: 225

Bort bort bort!

8/26/13 2:21:00 PM#77
Not planning on boycotting it, but I also wasn't planning on buying it in the first place (at this point in time, anyway). I'll also echo what a few others have touched on & say that there are companies which have done far, FAR worse things than open a cash shop for a subscription based game (Bank of America, Food Network, and Walmart spring to mind) that are far more deserving of a boycott.
  PAL-18

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Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 595

8/26/13 2:26:58 PM#78
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

It's so unlikely to assume it will be 2 years just because rift lasted that long. 

Considering the IP,  the fact tat this will be one the first MMOs available on the PS4/XB1 that isn't a PS3 Port and that a good, but not great, game like Rift can do it, I hardly think it's unlikely. Care to pick a number and make side bet?

My pick... 2 years +, what's yours? 

It's amusing to see the wishful thinking freeloaders comment on my 2 years but not on the troll''s "few months." You guys are funny. 

And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely 

Dont get me wrong,like the game or not, but this IP thing,this is new IP ,its like Activisions vision of WoW2 ,its bought and made by ZeniMax Online.

 

So, did ESO have a successful launch? Yes, yes it did.
By Ryan Getchell on April 02, 2014

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3541

8/26/13 5:31:52 PM#79
Originally posted by PAL-18
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

It's so unlikely to assume it will be 2 years just because rift lasted that long. 

Considering the IP,  the fact tat this will be one the first MMOs available on the PS4/XB1 that isn't a PS3 Port and that a good, but not great, game like Rift can do it, I hardly think it's unlikely. Care to pick a number and make side bet?

My pick... 2 years +, what's yours? 

It's amusing to see the wishful thinking freeloaders comment on my 2 years but not on the troll''s "few months." You guys are funny. 

And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely 

Dont get me wrong,like the game or not, but this IP thing,this is new IP ,its like Activisions vision of WoW2 ,its bought and made by ZeniMax Online.

 

Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying. Zenimax was the company started by Bethesda to acquire other properties (Doom etc.) and Zenimax Studios was created just for the MMO version of TES, The relationship here between Bethesda and this MMO is pretty tight.

This is not like Mythic-EA-Bioware.

  Iselin

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Joined: 3/04/08
Posts: 3541

8/26/13 5:51:37 PM#80
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

It's so unlikely to assume it will be 2 years just because rift lasted that long. 

Considering the IP,  the fact tat this will be one the first MMOs available on the PS4/XB1 that isn't a PS3 Port and that a good, but not great, game like Rift can do it, I hardly think it's unlikely. Care to pick a number and make side bet?

My pick... 2 years +, what's yours? 

It's amusing to see the wishful thinking freeloaders comment on my 2 years but not on the troll''s "few months." You guys are funny. 

And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely 

I had a huge thing written out, but then just deleted it. I decided you are not worth the time to argue with. I don't think it would really matter what I said, or numbers I showed. Your mind will not change. You think you are right and nothing will change that until you are proven wrong. So the only way will know for sure is when the game is released and we see how long it lasts.

Also this comment

"And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely "

You act like I was proven wrong -.-, and you tell me to pick MY numbers wisely as if your numbers are anymore smarter then mine -.- This is why I don't argue with people like you. You said at one point I was condescending, but your a lot worse.  At least when I did it, I was just fooling around.

Hi pot, meet kettle:

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Adalwulff
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by MMORPGtester
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Elethon
Hopefully it won't follow the trend of the many other AAA mmos that start P2P then the population drops and then it goes F2P. I think I will go F2P eventually.

There is no doubt that it will, which is why i think it would have been better to be a B2P game rather.

Despite the few that actually agree with this choice, you can go around the web and see barely anyone is happy about this lol.

I see them getting a slight user base. Not what they were looking for in any means, and then be forced to go f2p with a bling shop.

Ya .. that is how I see it. Just about 70% of the comments I have read around the web involve not buying the game now XD or free to play in a few months to a year.

It's really getting so much negativity ... it wouldn't shock me if they changed it even before launch.

 

lol... never going to happen.

And from what I have read around the web, its about 50-50.

If TESO delivers a solid product, those who cried about the sub, will find a way to pay.

Wanna make a bet? :3

You say 70% someone else says 50% and you say wanna bet... sort of similar to what I'm doing with the 2 year + isn't it?

There's no one who has posted more anti-P2P stuff in this forum over the last week than you. And you have always ignored what I have consistently said about F2P and B2P both: I don't like to be marketed at and nudged towards buying stuff while I play an MMO. That is why I and many others don't like the typical in-game cash shop that both, F2P and B2P games have. It's that simple to me.

It's just not convenient for you to concede that those of us who actually like P2P for that reason have a valid opinion, because it doesn't fit with your preconceived notions of how the world should be.

And whenever you run out of arguments you use an appeal to higher authority - in this case yourself, since you have told us several times that you have insider knowledge because you work in the industry. All you're doing is dismissing other's opinions and saying that yours is a better opinion because you do some unspecified something in the gaming industry. Sorry...not impressed.

You're right..it is a total waste of time discussing this with you because you are 1000% convinced that your opinion--and buddy, that's all it is--is correct.

So stop jumping in on my responses to other people...problem solved.

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