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General Discussion  » Who is boycotting because of subscription + cash shop on top of a box purchase?

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  Jagarid

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“Every man takes the limits of his own field of vision for the limits of the world.”

8/25/13 11:52:59 AM#41

The sub+cash shop+box purchase does annoy me a little, but it depends on what they have in the cash shop, to be honest.  I never thought WoW was over-reaching with the service-focused cash shop they had back when I played (they didn't have mounts and stuff in the cash shop back then).

At the end of the day, when I play a game with a sub, which is my preference, I want to know that EVERYTHING in the game is available to me.  Putting things into a Cash Shop that the only way to get is through the Cash Shop (or through a ridiculous amount of time) pisses me off when I am already paying a sub.

I'm not necessarily boycotting ESO though.  It is a "wait and see" thing for me.  Until I see what is in the cash shop, I can't say either way.   

  olepi

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Joined: 1/15/07
Posts: 1056

8/25/13 12:03:21 PM#42

This argument is very similar to the "power leveling" argument: a person has uber gear that defines them as someone who has learned to play their character, has played a lot, and has been successful. A person who has reached a high level did it the hard way, playing the game and leveling.

Being able to buy uber gear in a cash shop utterly ruins this. Being a high level character means nothing if you were power-leveled by some other player.

But we used to use the player's level and gear level as a way to judge whether we wanted them in the group, or not.

Being an Elder Scrolls fan, and since the game plays like an ES game, I'll definitely buy it. If they have a cash shop that ruins the economy and the game, then that will detract from the game, and I would be unlikely to pay a sub.

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RIP City of Heroes. One of my favorite MMO's.

  GeezerGamer

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8/25/13 12:13:30 PM#43
Originally posted by Betakodo

Remember when subscription fees meant everything was in game and there were cash shop money grabs? Remember when the first free to play game came out that was supported not by a subscription, but cash shop items? Cash shop items are supposed to be an alternate to the subscription model, but now they're going for the full money grab? What is this, Korea? It was stupid enough when world of warcraft did it, and people still defended the game and their money grab.

I was interested in the game, but on principle - will not buy it if they're going to do this. I play MMO's so I can work my way up to the cool looking stuffs. But if they're going to take the cool looking items out of the game and make me pay like $7 bucks for a "Fun" item, yeah not going to happen. I was just wondering how many people are giving this game a pass due to this.

I aven't done a lot of research on the topic, but I have heard it's going to be things like service charges. Name changes, transfers and that type of thing. Again, just what I heard. If there are no ingame purchases, it will be like the Cash Shop Rift initiated prior to the expansion. It was no big deal, they just moved their web based offerings to the ingame shop.

If that's all it is, I am OK with it. As long as that's all it remains. But it does raise the question. "What does it mean for the future?"

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  xmenty

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Joined: 5/22/10
Posts: 692

8/25/13 12:35:31 PM#44

I am boycotting all P2P MMOes because it does not benefit gamers at all.

These MMOes make you pay $60 so you can test it for 30 days to determine whether you like it or not.

If you like it then you might rent it $15 monthly.

P2P concept are just not pro to gamers.

It is just a waste of money, time and hardwork for a game that you do not own at all.  

Pardon my English as it is not my 1st language :)

  9Prejudice

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Joined: 3/10/12
Posts: 32

8/25/13 1:32:54 PM#45
I was looking forward to playing ESO but now I'm no longer considering playing it. I don't think I'll have enough time to play it for the subscription to be worth it.
  Reehay

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Joined: 2/15/05
Posts: 178

8/25/13 1:35:40 PM#46
Originally posted by Tygranir

I am boycotting because the game looks bad.

 

Customers will always pay what a product is worth. Sometimes more.

yep
  JIUBHUNNY420

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Joined: 4/14/13
Posts: 134

8/25/13 2:24:22 PM#47
Originally posted by Lord.Bachus
Originally posted by JIUBHUNNY420

Im boycotting the game simply because its NOT Elder Scrolls. Its MMO mechanics with an ES skin, with no adherence to Lore Standards or customer expectations.

This game is a fiduciary blunder!

really...

 

obviously you missed some stuff, its an elder scrolls game with MMO areas added to it...  EVERYONE that played it says it feels and plays like an elder scrolls game, no reason not to beleive them.

 

 

The only ones hurting from boycotting a game are in general those people not playing a good game...

Yes. Every single person who has experianced the game up to this point has had nothing but rave reviews, bordering on zealous tones of an MMO second coming. Im sure there wasnt one single review out there that said otherwise, im sure not one fan of THOUSANDS who have played has had something negative to say about how the IP has been treated or how close it is mechanically to any other ES game.

 

Im not saying your wrong, im saying you have to look objectively at what you just posted and try to find a way to convince me you dont sound bias as hell when it comes to this game. 

J-Hun Lookin to Creep Yall!

  niceguy3978

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Joined: 6/14/06
Posts: 2005

8/25/13 2:31:57 PM#48
Originally posted by Betakodo
Originally posted by Ridrith
Shut up.  Don't buy the game.

Oh man, did I somehow make you mad? You should have read the thread though, I'm boycotting the game. Meaning I'm not buying the game.

Anywho, I just made the thread to gauge how sick people were of adding a cash shop to a sub game is while it is still rare in the US. So far it seems like only WoW and Aion tried it along with ESO. Just was hoping that if they got enough flack they would pull back from the money grab, if not I have other games to play.

 

While I tend to understand your sentiment, many more games than WoW and Aion did this.  Champions online, Star Trek Online, and the secret world all launched with box + sub + cash shop.  Over time, Everquest 2, Everquest, Vanguard, EvE, and others added a cash shop on top of the box price and sub (even before Everquest, EQ2 and Vanguard became f2p).

  psiic

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8/25/13 5:51:54 PM#49
Originally posted by xmenty

I am boycotting all P2P MMOes because it does not benefit gamers at all.

These MMOes make you pay $60 so you can test it for 30 days to determine whether you like it or not.

If you like it then you might rent it $15 monthly.

P2P concept are just not pro to gamers.

It is just a waste of money, time and hardwork for a game that you do not own at all.  

I've always been a very loud opinionated opponent of the F2P business model. 

As someone with a large amount of disposable income,  a compulsive disorder, and a gambling addiction I have always felt as if the business model is unjustly targeted towards people like me that have real issues not spending.

As a result of F2P and Kickstarter and other things like those models I've gone from a controlled amount of gaming spending to a very destructive and uncontrolled amount.

Even with self placed spending limits on my credit cards to try and help me control my spending I can sill manage to sit down on an item mall and spend $ 500 on those stupid random boxes trying to get some rare item I really want.

Then I run into these players who chant F2P F2P F2P over and over demanding a F2P game model, then they end up subscribing anyway because it gives them the cheapest way to get all the content unlocks they need to enjoy the game.

The other F2P gamers I encounter are the rude, hateful gamers that have invested nothing into the game so have nothing to lose if they get their accounts banned, they act like they own the world and the rest of us should be down on our knees kissing their feet for the privilege of paying their way for them.

Personally playing $60 $70 even $200 upfront to avoid F2P gamers is well worth it to me, only problem is that I spend $200 upfront being promised a B2P business model and 6 months to a year down the road they turn around and make my game I paid for F2P anyway.

  Hanthos

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Joined: 6/17/13
Posts: 228

PROUD P2P Elitist...

8/25/13 5:58:19 PM#50
My interest increased slightly when they announced that it would be a sub based game with box purchase. While not necessarily a boycott, my interest has dropped completely to ZERO with the announcement of a cash shop.
  someforumguy

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Joined: 1/25/07
Posts: 3510

8/26/13 7:55:43 AM#51
The game sounds interesting, but I am not planning to play ESO with this payment model. Imo companies can ask anything they want for their products, just shouldn't expect me to also buy it. In this case I think it is overpriced with its combination of box+sub+items in cash shop. If someone else wants to pay that, it is their call ofc. 
  ShortyBible

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Joined: 1/14/10
Posts: 313

8/26/13 8:03:55 AM#52
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

Could be a lot sooner than 2 years. The Secret World tried this model and it changed in less than 2 years.

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  Nadia

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8/26/13 8:44:27 AM#53

not boycotting

will buy the game but no intentions of subbing unless im still having fun after 30 days

  Brabbit1987

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8/26/13 9:17:05 AM#54
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

It's so unlikely to assume it will be 2 years just because rift lasted that long. 

  miagisan

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Joined: 7/28/06
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8/26/13 12:40:48 PM#55
payment model is not an issue. If the game is fun or not is all i care about. Man you people are fickle.

  Iselin

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Posts: 4026

8/26/13 1:24:49 PM#56
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by boxsnd
I'm certainly not boycotting. I'm still excited about the game and will surely play it when it goes F2P/B2P a few months after release.

See you in 2016! (e.g. it took Rift 2 years to get there...you think this will be worse than Rift? lol)

It's so unlikely to assume it will be 2 years just because rift lasted that long. 

Considering the IP,  the fact tat this will be one the first MMOs available on the PS4/XB1 that isn't a PS3 Port and that a good, but not great, game like Rift can do it, I hardly think it's unlikely. Care to pick a number and make side bet?

My pick... 2 years +, what's yours? 

It's amusing to see the wishful thinking freeloaders comment on my 2 years but not on the troll''s "few months." You guys are funny. 

And...careful, don't forget your last prediction... "70% of everyone on the internet hate that it's P2P" ... and even in a contentious little forum like this one, the poll is more like 60-40 for... pick your number wisely 

  Sovrath

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8/26/13 1:32:16 PM#57
Originally posted by Rusque

Remember when paying monthly for cable TV meant that you got to not have commercials on cable channels, hence the monthly fee to keep it ad free?

 

Yeah.

lol yeah "this".

 

OH and you got all the movies in your subscription.

  Iselin

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8/26/13 1:34:47 PM#58
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Rusque

Remember when paying monthly for cable TV meant that you got to not have commercials on cable channels, hence the monthly fee to keep it ad free?

 

Yeah.

lol yeah "this".

 

OH and you got all the movies in your subscription.

It's not even the movies any more. Now they throw the best TV series like Dexter, The News Room, Board Walk Empire... into the additional $$ movie channels...the bastards! 

  jesteralways

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8/26/13 1:45:10 PM#59
every mmo publisher, including subscription based ones charge for character rename, race change, gender change, faction change, server change. i don't see the problem if ESO add these services in an in game cash shop, beats the hassle of logging off game and go to account management  web page of game, then fill out form, then fill out payment option, then wait about an hour for changes to take effect and then login. it is convenience and i am not against it. now if you bring out the mounts and pets blizzard sell in WOW store, i don't see any problem either, there are over 300 mounts in game and nearly 1000 pets. why do people go to buy from store is beyond me, i remember i got kicked out of a guild because the guild leader was showing off "heart of the aspect" mount and i said : "congrats to your wallet". i simply don't care for these vanity items and i don't care if they sell those in an in game cash shop, they are extra and blizzard did say they would add exclusive pets and mounts in web store. now this is where my tolerance level stops, where my rage comes out : transmog items in cash shop, blizzard promised they will add unique transmog items in black market AH, instead they are adding them in cash shop, greedy **********(omitted the slang myself, imagine everything you can). i hope ESO don't add any kind of promised item into cash shop. hope no one digs their own grave like that.

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  Panthien

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8/26/13 1:46:18 PM#60
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Rusque

Remember when paying monthly for cable TV meant that you got to not have commercials on cable channels, hence the monthly fee to keep it ad free?

 

Yeah.

lol yeah "this".

 

OH and you got all the movies in your subscription.

It's not even the movies any more. Now they throw the best TV series like Dexter, The News Room, Board Walk Empire... into the additional $$ movie channels...the bastards! 

Except.. speaking fluff here, every single mmo in history has proven this (especially the ones without cash shops proof this fact) they sell fluff/styles that wouldnt have been added or even created without it. Games come with X-Y styles, mounts, vanity pets etc etc and dont add any new ones outside special events or content updates.

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