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General Discussion  » ESO will have a box price, subscription AND a cash shop.

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  jesusjuice69

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8/23/13 1:28:17 PM#61
Originally posted by Kayo45
So basically everyone is panicking because some foreign site interview let slip that theyll have an item shop that includes name changes(?). Translated by google no less. /sigh how about we see wtf they plan to put in this cash shop (other than name changes before we start losing our freakin minds over an ambiguous comment. It may well just be a similar system to which Blizzard has been using for years now.

That said, if its the f2p kind of cash shop then im out as well. Probably the dumbest thing they could do but oh well ... ESO is like 3rd in my list of potential MMOs anyway, and one I planned on waiting a few months to make sure they dont pull he old p2p<>f2p switcheroo a few months down the line.

Yah, you can't trust those foreign sites... I mean they are foreign!  They don't even speak english for crying out loud.

/sarcasm

 

I give this game 9 months tops under subscription model.

 

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
The day Blizzard sold 25 millings opening weekend with that damn sparkle pony mount was the day I knew that cash shops were going to be in every MMO one day. So ESO has picked to P2P + Box price + cash shop. They have to walk a line on what they add to the cash shop. P2P means they better have the content to back up a monthly sub. I have a feeling they are not gona get this right. The more I read about this game the less I am interested. IMO this seem more like a GW2 game. Fun but not a lot of depth. Should have gona B2P with a GW2 style cash shop IMO. Cant wait to see this game go head to head with EQN lol


I think you hit the nail on the head.  The depth of this game seems on par with GW2.

As far as I know they haven't even said the word update, so I really wonder how they are going to justify the subscription model after a couple months.

  Kuinn

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8/23/13 1:36:54 PM#62
Originally posted by boxsnd

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

 

Let's see the fans defend this one.

Completely impossible to say until I know exactly how the game is, and what's in the cash shop. If everything would simply be up to payment model, we all would be playing F2P games only. Though I doubt the game will be worth the full color of payment models...

  Distopia

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8/23/13 1:37:53 PM#63
Originally posted by boxsnd

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

 

Let's see the fans defend this one.

You realize the cash shop could only sell services right? "All content comes along with a sub". It would be a problem if not, otherwise who cares? There's no reason to defend anything on a forum. We're just sharing opinions here, why bait others into something more?

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

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  Drakephire

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8/23/13 1:38:17 PM#64
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
 

As far as I know they haven't even said the word update, so I really wonder how they are going to justify the subscription model after a couple months.

In the German interview, Matt says that launch content is pretty much finished and that the team is now focusing on content for updates after launch.

  Stizzled

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8/23/13 1:41:31 PM#65
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by boxsnd

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

 

Let's see the fans defend this one.

You realize the cash shop doesn't sell items right?

The cash shop will include "fun items" as well as character services.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/22/gamescom-2013-the-elder-scrolls-online-subscription-ensures-pla/

  Distopia

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8/23/13 1:45:01 PM#66
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by Distopia
Originally posted by boxsnd

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

 

Let's see the fans defend this one.

You realize the cash shop doesn't sell items right?

The cash shop will include "fun items" as well as character services.

http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/08/22/gamescom-2013-the-elder-scrolls-online-subscription-ensures-pla/

Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items means. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

Fun items could be anything from stupid hats to fireworks.

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Loktofeit

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8/23/13 1:45:31 PM#67
Originally posted by jesusjuice69

Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I think quite a few are missing the OP's observation that we had a lot of posts basically saying F2P is dead and subs are back. However, the reality is that the part of free to play that people didn't like (because I hope it wasn't being upset that it was FREE) was the item mall, and the item mall will be present in these new subscription games.

It's funny, actually, because GW2 added a box price to the item mall game and the anti-free to play crowd cheered. Now devs are adding a box price AND a subscription to the item mall games, and the anti-f2p crowd is cheering even louder.

F2P = full itemshop.

B2P = cosmetic stuff, bankslots and similar

P2P = No itemshop

Anything more suck, I can play either of those free as long as it doesn't get too much pay2win in the F2P game.

But then I am rather consequent with it, far too many people here cheers now but have complained on itemshops in F2P and sometimes even B2P games.

Which subscription MMO doesn't have a cash shop of some kind, and is that the exception or the rule?

WoW used to have an ideal cash shop for the game.  Very minimal.

What do you want to bet ESO won't restrain itself in the same way?

What do I want to bet? Nothing. Subscription MMOs have had them for a decade now. Why would I think they would suddenly not have one?

 

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  Stizzled

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8/23/13 1:50:17 PM#68
Originally posted by Distopia

Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items mean. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

At this point no one knows what they mean by fun items. It mostly likely means quirky little things that no one will really care about or want to buy. But, they've spent the time to develop this shop, and they surely plan on using it, if no one buys the fun items, how long before they begin adding the same kinds of items that F2P games sell?

  Nanfoodle

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8/23/13 2:02:24 PM#69
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Originally posted by Kayo45
So basically everyone is panicking because some foreign site interview let slip that theyll have an item shop that includes name changes(?). Translated by google no less. /sigh how about we see wtf they plan to put in this cash shop (other than name changes before we start losing our freakin minds over an ambiguous comment. It may well just be a similar system to which Blizzard has been using for years now.

That said, if its the f2p kind of cash shop then im out as well. Probably the dumbest thing they could do but oh well ... ESO is like 3rd in my list of potential MMOs anyway, and one I planned on waiting a few months to make sure they dont pull he old p2p<>f2p switcheroo a few months down the line.

Yah, you can't trust those foreign sites... I mean they are foreign!  They don't even speak english for crying out loud.

/sarcasm

 

I give this game 9 months tops under subscription model.

 

Originally posted by Nanfoodle
The day Blizzard sold 25 millings opening weekend with that damn sparkle pony mount was the day I knew that cash shops were going to be in every MMO one day. So ESO has picked to P2P + Box price + cash shop. They have to walk a line on what they add to the cash shop. P2P means they better have the content to back up a monthly sub. I have a feeling they are not gona get this right. The more I read about this game the less I am interested. IMO this seem more like a GW2 game. Fun but not a lot of depth. Should have gona B2P with a GW2 style cash shop IMO. Cant wait to see this game go head to head with EQN lol


I think you hit the nail on the head.  The depth of this game seems on par with GW2.

As far as I know they haven't even said the word update, so I really wonder how they are going to justify the subscription model after a couple months.

Ya not gona try this game till it goes F2P even if I have to wait a year after release.

  Distopia

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8/23/13 2:04:09 PM#70
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by Distopia

Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items mean. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

At this point no one knows what they mean by fun items. It mostly likely means quirky little things that no one will really care about or want to buy. But, they've spent the time to develop this shop, and they surely plan on using it, if no one buys the fun items, how long before they begin adding the same kinds of items that F2P games sell?

Who knows?

For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson

It is a sign of a defeated man, to attack at ones character in the face of logic and reason- Me

  Nanfoodle

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8/23/13 2:09:13 PM#71
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by Distopia

Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items mean. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

At this point no one knows what they mean by fun items. It mostly likely means quirky little things that no one will really care about or want to buy. But, they've spent the time to develop this shop, and they surely plan on using it, if no one buys the fun items, how long before they begin adding the same kinds of items that F2P games sell?

Here is the irk IMO. Fun items used to be handed out for free to the paying customers. Perks for being loyal. Now they add them to a P2P model and we all go its ok because they are not game breaking. FF14 has really cemented me that P2P models need to give the customer something of value if you go that rout. Every month you are subbed to FF14 you get fun stuff and it gets better each month you are subbed. Also no cash shop =-) So any fun stuff they come up with will be for free =-) handed out in events like the one they will have a week after launch. Free beach ware etc. Customers need to stand up and say no and vote with their money. 

If you are gona have a cash shop, no raids and market your game as a console game. Them make it B2P. If you are going P2P then make that have the value of that model. Sad but gamers are the ones mostly to blame for this, we buy sub par games and then give them extra cash in the cash shop to reward them for it lol. 

  Mouls

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8/23/13 2:19:02 PM#72

The market price of a "generic" themepark(exept WoW) is not 15USD/mo that's because Rift,AoC,TOR,Lotro etc went F2P and GW2 it's b2p

ESO need to be more than a generic themepark to worth box+sub and a fluff cash shop.

  Iselin

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8/23/13 2:57:36 PM#73
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by Distopia

Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items mean. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

At this point no one knows what they mean by fun items. It mostly likely means quirky little things that no one will really care about or want to buy. But, they've spent the time to develop this shop, and they surely plan on using it, if no one buys the fun items, how long before they begin adding the same kinds of items that F2P games sell?

Here is the irk IMO. Fun items used to be handed out for free to the paying customers. Perks for being loyal. Now they add them to a P2P model and we all go its ok because they are not game breaking. FF14 has really cemented me that P2P models need to give the customer something of value if you go that rout. Every month you are subbed to FF14 you get fun stuff and it gets better each month you are subbed. Also no cash shop =-) So any fun stuff they come up with will be for free =-) handed out in events like the one they will have a week after launch. Free beach ware etc. Customers need to stand up and say no and vote with their money. 

If you are gona have a cash shop, no raids and market your game as a console game. Them make it B2P. If you are going P2P then make that have the value of that model. Sad but gamers are the ones mostly to blame for this, we buy sub par games and then give them extra cash in the cash shop to reward them for it lol. 

Rofl... nice that you found a home somewhere Nan. But please, stop the bullshit:

Square Enix cash shop link: You can buy 3 seaparate FF XIV music CDs, a fluffy Chocobo for your desktop: 

http://store.na.square-enix.com/store/sqenixus/DisplayHomePage

I know, I know, nothing you can actually use in game there... they reserved those "in game item" sales for the Collector Edition bundle... so far. But my guess is that if you didn't get the Helm of Light, Couerl Mount, Behemoth Barding and Baby Behemoth Minion, you'll be able to get them eventually...for an "upgrade" price.

Love is blind and all that, but c'mon man, get real.

 

EDIT: oops, didn't look hard enough. You can already get the digital upgrade to the Collector's edition for $19.99: 

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/#ceSpecialAnchor

  dadante666

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8/23/13 3:04:35 PM#74

ESO title.... Meh why not give it  a try....see combat and small world and content....another gw2 tahst kk..............cash shop...meh why not  if is gonna be f2p......Sub........O_O.......... not even gonan try or care anymore.

ps:

is not cause of sub but the game have really low content like gw2 and its made almost identical in content and combatpased ;/ not worth sub imop its like saying to put sub in gw2 ....

  Nanfoodle

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8/23/13 3:14:52 PM#75
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Stizzled
Originally posted by Distopia

Yeah I changed my post, as I have no idea what fun items mean. The important part is that they said, all content comes with a sub.

At this point no one knows what they mean by fun items. It mostly likely means quirky little things that no one will really care about or want to buy. But, they've spent the time to develop this shop, and they surely plan on using it, if no one buys the fun items, how long before they begin adding the same kinds of items that F2P games sell?

Here is the irk IMO. Fun items used to be handed out for free to the paying customers. Perks for being loyal. Now they add them to a P2P model and we all go its ok because they are not game breaking. FF14 has really cemented me that P2P models need to give the customer something of value if you go that rout. Every month you are subbed to FF14 you get fun stuff and it gets better each month you are subbed. Also no cash shop =-) So any fun stuff they come up with will be for free =-) handed out in events like the one they will have a week after launch. Free beach ware etc. Customers need to stand up and say no and vote with their money. 

If you are gona have a cash shop, no raids and market your game as a console game. Them make it B2P. If you are going P2P then make that have the value of that model. Sad but gamers are the ones mostly to blame for this, we buy sub par games and then give them extra cash in the cash shop to reward them for it lol. 

Rofl... nice that you found a home somewhere Nan. But please, stop the bullshit:

Square Enix cash shop link: You can buy 3 seaparate FF XIV music CDs, a fluffy Chocobo for your desktop: 

http://store.na.square-enix.com/store/sqenixus/DisplayHomePage

I know, I know, nothing you can actually use in game there... they reserved those "in game item" sales for the Collector Edition bundle... so far. But my guess is that if you didn't get the Helm of Light, Couerl Mount, Behemoth Barding and Baby Behemoth Minion, you'll be able to get them eventually...for an "upgrade" price.

Love is blind and all that, but c'mon man, get real.

 

EDIT: oops, didn't look hard enough. You can already get the digital upgrade to the Collector's edition for $19.99: 

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/product/#ceSpecialAnchor

You know you are stretching and I do like you so I will chuck you a bone. You can buy 1 set of digital items from the collectors edition =-) Go read up on SE stand on cash shops and also read up on the free digital items they are giving away, monthly and in events. Pick a model and do it justice. You want Box price + P2P then drop this cash shop crap for fun stuff and reward your customers for it. I know I am asking a lot as Cash shops are popping up everywhere. Does not mean as a customer I cant call them out on this crap. If you want a cash shop then go B2P like GW2. Time people voted with their money. Its not bullshit as you say... people should be sick of being walked on. I play GW2 because they are fair with their payment model. I will play FF14 because they are again being true and fair to their customers with the payment model. Not saying ESO does not have a place in the market, Im just calling them out on this crap plan. See ya when this game goes F2P and I pay less then you did just to walk through the door first. 60 bucks + 12 x 15 = 240 or I can wait =-)

  CthulhuPuffs

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8/23/13 3:18:35 PM#76

 

dont WTF happened with this

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  Nanfoodle

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8/23/13 3:19:25 PM#77
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

 

Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

Get rid of Buy the Box.

Downloadable 7 day Free Trial then $15mo Sub to continue play. Keep the CS for fluff.

But Fk that $65 for a 30 day Trial BS

 

Box Price should only be for games without some Monthly Sub attached to it to continue playing after some time limit.

Like Skyrim

You get rid of the box, and you lose 3/4 of the retail outlet sales.

Not smart.

 

<blockquote> <i>Originally posted by jesusjuice69</i><br /> <blockquote> <b><i>Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs</i></b><br /> <p><b><b>Get rid of Buy the Box.</b></b></p> <p><b><b>Downloadable 7 day Free Trial then $15mo Sub to continue play. Keep the CS for fluff.</b></b></p> <p><b><b>But Fk that $65 for a 30 day Trial BS</b></b></p> <p><b><b> </b></b></p> <p><b><b>Box Price should only be for games without some Monthly Sub attached to it to continue playing after some time limit.</b></b></p> <p><b><b>Like Skyrim</b></b></p> </blockquote> <p><b>You get rid of the box, and you lose 3/4 of the retail outlet sales.</b></p> <p><b>Not smart.</b></p> <p> </p></blockquote><p>Well IMO they need to do something different.</p><p>I (and many others I believe) are tired of paying $60+ for 30 days of gameplay just to TRY a MMO.</p><p>Buy it to try it, but like it or not its yours. Im looking at 8 MMOs right now that I had to Buy to Try that are bricks because the game sucks. Worst is, 3 of them went F2P after I bought them.</p><p>Yeah I know, my fault for buying them with out waiting for them to get a FT or F2P</p><p>MMOs should at least Release with a 7 day FREE Trial BEFORE you buy it. Like the game= Pay Box price for the Full Game and 30 more days, then Sub for continued access after that.</p><p>If you dont like it all you really lost was DL/Install and Trial time.</p>

 

WOW whats this????

  JRRNeiklot

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8/23/13 3:20:17 PM#78
Originally posted by Dalanon

What is there to defend?  Holy crap they want you to pay for the product they've spent hundreds of millions of dollars making, (gasp).  Wait there is more, they want a subscription to pay for the development costs of new content and to keep the servers running with good bandwidth!  When did every game on the planet have to use free to play just so a bunch of freeloaders still living with their parents could afford to play it?  If you buy one DVD a month, buy a take out dinner for 2, or smoke like 3 packs of cigs in a month, you already spend that much money, and got maybe a couple hours of value compared to the unlimited time you can enjoy playing a good mmo.

In most cases free to play isn't actually free, and even if it is, there isn't the amount of content a subscription based game can push out because they can actually pay developers to make content for it.  Guess what, FF14, Wildstar, and ESO all saying they are subscription recently because they know its the best way to make a quality product that actually has a chance of succeeding long term. 

Why do you assume he's complaining about the subscription?  I for one don't mind buying the game, nor paying a subscription. 
The cash shop is what pisses me off.  I refuse to play pay to win games.

  CthulhuPuffs

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8/23/13 3:21:19 PM#79
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

Get rid of Buy the Box.

Downloadable 7 day Free Trial then $15mo Sub to continue play. Keep the CS for fluff.

But Fk that $65 for a 30 day Trial BS

 

Box Price should only be for games without some Monthly Sub attached to it to continue playing after some time limit.

Like Skyrim

You get rid of the box, and you lose 3/4 of the retail outlet sales.

Not smart.

 

Box +Sub is standard P2P.

 

Well IMO they need to do something different.

I (and many others I believe) are tired of paying $60+ for 30 days of gameplay just to TRY a MMO.

Buy it to try it, but like it or not its yours. Im looking at 8 MMOs right now that I had to Buy to Try that are bricks because the game sucks. Worst is, 3 of them went F2P after I bought them.

Yeah I know, my fault for buying them with out waiting for them to get a FT or F2P

MMOs should at least Release with a 7 day FREE Trial BEFORE you buy it. Like the game= Pay Box price for the Full Game and 30 more days, then Sub for continued access after that.

If you dont like it all you really lost was DL/Install and Trial time.

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  Theocritus

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8/23/13 3:21:30 PM#80
Originally posted by Shaigh
8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

 According to alot of the people on this forum that makes the best game...The more we pay the better the game they say......

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