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General Discussion  » ESO will have a box price, subscription AND a cash shop.

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  Loke666

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8/23/13 3:18:35 AM#41
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I think quite a few are missing the OP's observation that we had a lot of posts basically saying F2P is dead and subs are back. However, the reality is that the part of free to play that people didn't like (because I hope it wasn't being upset that it was FREE) was the item mall, and the item mall will be present in these new subscription games.

It's funny, actually, because GW2 added a box price to the item mall game and the anti-free to play crowd cheered. Now devs are adding a box price AND a subscription to the item mall games, and the anti-f2p crowd is cheering even louder.

F2P = full itemshop.

B2P = cosmetic stuff, bankslots and similar

P2P = No itemshop

Anything more suck, I can play either of those free as long as it doesn't get too much pay2win in the F2P game.

But then I am rather consequent with it, far too many people here cheers now but have complained on itemshops in F2P and sometimes even B2P games.

  STYNKFYST

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8/23/13 3:27:19 AM#42
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Shaigh
8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

You realize that Chinese Wow players only pay an hourly fee and not box price, yes?

And in Wows case the itemshop were added after most people laready was hooked on the game.

I think ESO is making a huge misstake here which might cost them many players. The reason to play P2P is to get rid of the itemshop and they should choose either monthly fees or shop.

Then again, if the game is good enough it will still do well but it better be great...

Funny you mention markets that are so opposite it isn't funny

  STYNKFYST

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8/23/13 3:33:21 AM#43
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Shaigh
8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

You realize that Chinese Wow players only pay an hourly fee and not box price, yes?

And in Wows case the itemshop were added after most people laready was hooked on the game.

I think ESO is making a huge misstake here which might cost them many players. The reason to play P2P is to get rid of the itemshop and they should choose either monthly fees or shop.

Then again, if the game is good enough it will still do well but it better be great...

Another debunk is that a cash shop HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH gameplay

  AtlasGraves

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8/23/13 3:33:41 AM#44

If the game is amazing then all will be well 

 

or if game is sub par or not up to your standards then blame pricing structure

 

only one of two scenarios here

  STYNKFYST

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8/23/13 3:35:39 AM#45
Originally posted by boxsnd

http://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1kvwop/so_elder_scrolls_online_has_a_sub_fee_and_a_cash/

 

Let's see the fans defend this one.

Your avatar tells me I will play this

  rygard49

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8/23/13 3:38:15 AM#46
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I think quite a few are missing the OP's observation that we had a lot of posts basically saying F2P is dead and subs are back. However, the reality is that the part of free to play that people didn't like (because I hope it wasn't being upset that it was FREE) was the item mall, and the item mall will be present in these new subscription games.

 

It's funny, actually, because GW2 added a box price to the item mall game and the anti-free to play crowd cheered. Now devs are adding a box price AND a subscription to the item mall games, and the anti-f2p crowd is cheering even louder.

Who's cheering? In this thread, it seems like disappointment or, at best, hesitant optimism.

Oh, sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt the circle jerk...

 

 

  Kickaxe

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8/23/13 4:04:48 AM#47

I really don't think that these publishers and developers do themselves any favours when they coyly let slip that an item mall will be appended to their sub plus box price payment model.  It is truism to say that they need money to operate but it has become apparent that some of the competition has demonstrated continuing viability under less steep payment models to their customers.

 

Yet somehow sub plus box price plus expansions is not enough to provide for services such as name changes and server transfers?  Or even more disappointing perhaps that additional items--weapons, armour, mounts, etc--cannot somehow be attainable solely within the game world, because additional income is so obviously a must that corrupted immersion is a justified cost?

 

It's getting difficult to sustain an argument that the sub model isn't simply about greed, with actions like these.  No item mall whatsoever is the way to go if you want to be taken for your word when you suggest scrupulous reasons for going sub model.

  Brabbit1987

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8/23/13 4:30:17 AM#48
Originally posted by Kickaxe

I really don't think that these publishers and developers do themselves any favours when they coyly let slip that an item mall will be appended to their sub plus box price payment model.  It is truism to say that they need money to operate but it has become apparent that some of the competition has demonstrated continuing viability under less steep payment models to their customers.

 

Yet somehow sub plus box price plus expansions is not enough to provide for services such as name changes and server transfers?  Or even more disappointing perhaps that additional items--weapons, armour, mounts, etc--cannot somehow be attainable solely within the game world, because additional income is so obviously a must that corrupted immersion is a justified cost?

 

It's getting difficult to sustain an argument that the sub model isn't simply about greed, with actions like these.  No item mall whatsoever is the way to go if you want to be taken for your word when you suggest scrupulous reasons for going sub model.

I agree. I actually don't even understand how some people can simply just accept this. Not a single person has brought a good argument against B2P. They only keep mentioning F2P like a broken record because they don't have an argument.

The ONLY legitimate argument anyone had against B2P was the cash shop, which not many even used in their argument. However, it's confirmed they will have a cash shop anyway.

Now some of the same people who argued with that, is fine with them putting one in.

Sounds to me, like these people would agree with anything Zenimax gave them. Even if they took a pile of steaming crap in a box, all these fans would probably accept it with out a fuss.

Course it doesn't help that MMO players all have double standards. Really no one can win ever.

At least to me B2P is meeting half way in a sense.

  rojoArcueid

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8/23/13 4:38:37 AM#49
Originally posted by Shaigh
8 million still supports box price, subscription and a cash shop.

a small fraction of those 8 millions use the item store you are talking about to buy items. Account services are fine, in game items are not.

  SlyLoK

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8/23/13 11:18:46 AM#50
What are people complaining about? Being able to purchase a token to rename your character? All I see in this thread are off the wall assumptions. 
  Loktofeit

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8/23/13 11:29:17 AM#51
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I think quite a few are missing the OP's observation that we had a lot of posts basically saying F2P is dead and subs are back. However, the reality is that the part of free to play that people didn't like (because I hope it wasn't being upset that it was FREE) was the item mall, and the item mall will be present in these new subscription games.

It's funny, actually, because GW2 added a box price to the item mall game and the anti-free to play crowd cheered. Now devs are adding a box price AND a subscription to the item mall games, and the anti-f2p crowd is cheering even louder.

F2P = full itemshop.

B2P = cosmetic stuff, bankslots and similar

P2P = No itemshop

Anything more suck, I can play either of those free as long as it doesn't get too much pay2win in the F2P game.

But then I am rather consequent with it, far too many people here cheers now but have complained on itemshops in F2P and sometimes even B2P games.

Which subscription MMO doesn't have a cash shop of some kind, and is that the exception or the rule?

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  CthulhuPuffs

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8/23/13 11:36:47 AM#52

Get rid of Buy the Box.

Downloadable 7 day Free Trial then $15mo Sub to continue play. Keep the CS for fluff.

But Fk that $65 for a 30 day Trial BS

 

Box Price should only be for games without some Monthly Sub attached to it to continue playing after some time limit.

Like Skyrim

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  jesusjuice69

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8/23/13 11:42:07 AM#53
Originally posted by CthulhuPuffs

Get rid of Buy the Box.

Downloadable 7 day Free Trial then $15mo Sub to continue play. Keep the CS for fluff.

But Fk that $65 for a 30 day Trial BS

 

Box Price should only be for games without some Monthly Sub attached to it to continue playing after some time limit.

Like Skyrim

You get rid of the box, and you lose 3/4 of the retail outlet sales.

Not smart.

 

Box +Sub is standard P2P.

 

Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Loktofeit

I think quite a few are missing the OP's observation that we had a lot of posts basically saying F2P is dead and subs are back. However, the reality is that the part of free to play that people didn't like (because I hope it wasn't being upset that it was FREE) was the item mall, and the item mall will be present in these new subscription games.

It's funny, actually, because GW2 added a box price to the item mall game and the anti-free to play crowd cheered. Now devs are adding a box price AND a subscription to the item mall games, and the anti-f2p crowd is cheering even louder.

F2P = full itemshop.

B2P = cosmetic stuff, bankslots and similar

P2P = No itemshop

Anything more suck, I can play either of those free as long as it doesn't get too much pay2win in the F2P game.

But then I am rather consequent with it, far too many people here cheers now but have complained on itemshops in F2P and sometimes even B2P games.

Which subscription MMO doesn't have a cash shop of some kind, and is that the exception or the rule?

 

WoW used to have an ideal cash shop for the game.  Very minimal.

What do you want to bet ESO won't restrain itself in the same way?

  Kayo45

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8/23/13 12:18:54 PM#54
So basically everyone is panicking because some foreign site interview let slip that theyll have an item shop that includes name changes(?). Translated by google no less. /sigh how about we see wtf they plan to put in this cash shop (other than name changes before we start losing our freakin minds over an ambiguous comment. It may well just be a similar system to which Blizzard has been using for years now.

That said, if its the f2p kind of cash shop then im out as well. Probably the dumbest thing they could do but oh well ... ESO is like 3rd in my list of potential MMOs anyway, and one I planned on waiting a few months to make sure they dont pull he old p2p<>f2p switcheroo a few months down the line.
  coretex666

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8/23/13 12:20:33 PM#55
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by coretex666

So that it is going to use the same revenue channels as the most successful MMO in the history?

Outrage!!!

How well has that worked out for everyone but the most successful MMO in history.  Fortunately for us, history answers that question for us.

Why would I care whether it will work for them or not?

I am the customer here. I represent potential demand for their product. I am being offered something at certain price with certain conditions. I can make the decision whether I agree with the conditions and purchase the product or not.

What is the problem here?

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  Brabbit1987

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8/23/13 12:36:34 PM#56
Originally posted by coretex666
Originally posted by Torvaldr
Originally posted by coretex666

So that it is going to use the same revenue channels as the most successful MMO in the history?

Outrage!!!

How well has that worked out for everyone but the most successful MMO in history.  Fortunately for us, history answers that question for us.

Why would I care whether it will work for them or not?

I am the customer here. I represent potential demand for their product. I am being offered something at certain price with certain conditions. I can make the decision whether I agree with the conditions and purchase the product or not.

What is the problem here?

I think it actually does kinda matter to you.  It kinda matters to every customer. It's the same reason why it matters which dealer ships have different prices at car lots. It's the same reason you shop at different stores for different prices. As a customer you should be looking to ...

1. Get the best deal possible.

2. Not get scammed.

3. Look at past sales to get an idea of what to expect.

4. Look to make the most out of what you pay for.

5. Look at how other companies and other products of similarity do on the market. It could give you hints of how the product your interested in will do as well.

o.o really I am just making this all up lol.

But I don't think it's bad advice really.

  nf4mous

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8/23/13 12:41:01 PM#57
not good , folks. the writing is on the wall.
  Nanfoodle

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8/23/13 12:47:45 PM#58
The day Blizzard sold 25 millings opening weekend with that damn sparkle pony mount was the day I knew that cash shops were going to be in every MMO one day. So ESO has picked to P2P + Box price + cash shop. They have to walk a line on what they add to the cash shop. P2P means they better have the content to back up a monthly sub. I have a feeling they are not gona get this right. The more I read about this game the less I am interested. IMO this seem more like a GW2 game. Fun but not a lot of depth. Should have gona B2P with a GW2 style cash shop IMO. Cant wait to see this game go head to head with EQN lol
  Arskaaa

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8/23/13 1:11:09 PM#59
omg! P2P and still cash shop?! they just turned greed level higher??
  Instigator-Jones

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8/23/13 1:22:06 PM#60
It's the P2P+ model.
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