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  IsilithTehroth

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Posts: 142

9/12/13 1:52:11 PM#121
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Many companies are going F2P because they find it works well. Those who say only crappy games go F2P .. tell that to Valve and TF2 because they would like to have a word with you. Actually, they where kinda shocked themselves that a F2P game could make.

 

 First off TF2 cost money to being with. Secondly its a fps game not an mmorpg. Subs are always better than f2p mmorgs.

MurderHerd

  Alexandru987

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9/12/13 3:49:36 PM#122

14$/month is totally worth it for a good game. It`s like164$ a year so basically nothing for anyone working.

 

I totally agree with the guys before me... subscription games have a better comunity... 

 

I will play it in beta before anyway but if it`s like Skyrim i will buy and play it for a while anyway. I wanted a game i could use Mouse 2 to block since.... 4ever..... 

 

Now give me my beta invite....

  Sovrath

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9/12/13 3:55:45 PM#123
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
...stuff...

So which B2P MMOs, other than your imaginary ones, exist today with no cash shop, crippled banks, crippled inventories, character slots, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up GW1? Do you really think that was an MMO? Is Diablo an MMO to you too?

I brought up GW1 just in that post. I hardly call that keep bringing it up.

Regardless of whether one considers Guild Wars an mmo (or corpg) and regardless of whether it really matters, Guild Wars does have a cash shop.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_In-Game_Store#Products

  baphamet

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Joined: 7/05/06
Posts: 2639

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9/12/13 9:01:35 PM#124


Originally posted by HikaruShidou

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by HikaruShidou I don't like the combat plain and simple. If they can't make it exactly like the other elder scrolls, they shouldn't make an MMO on it.  
It is very very close to that. The differences are so minor. To not like it for those minor differences is a little silly frankly.
I can't say I agree with you, I wish I could say why, but it's I'm not risking a lawsuit over some game.  Just saying, I'm passing on this game if it stays sub. But by all means, play if you like it.

personally, i am glad it isn't exactly like the single player ES games, the combat in those games is what i like the least about them.

ESO's combat system seems to have a lot more going on than just clicking your mouse relentlessly.

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 675

9/12/13 10:11:40 PM#125

Originally posted by IsilithTehroth

Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Many companies are going F2P because they find it works well. Those who say only crappy games go F2P .. tell that to Valve and TF2 because they would like to have a word with you. Actually, they where kinda shocked themselves that a F2P game could make.

 

 First off TF2 cost money to being with. Secondly its a fps game not an mmorpg. Subs are always better than f2p mmorgs.

 

"First off TF2 cost money to being with." ... I can't seem to make sense of this sentence. I am guess you typed something wrong there. Either that, or I am reading it wrong.

Also, who cares if it's a fps game. Why does genre matter? A F2P game is a F2P game. I am talking about the F2P model in general, not just for MMOs. The point I am making is that the F2P model works well. Again, doesn't matter what you personally think, all that matters is numbers.

Subs are always better? Right and that is why every company uses that model. I see your proof is substantial compared to mine. Good job :3. I see you must be so much smarter then me. =^.^=. 

I suppose this means you also must be smarter then all the companies using the F2P model. Why don't you own a game company, when you are soooooo smart and intuitive?

You proved to me that, you are sooo right. I really should think before I speak.

*coughs*

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
...stuff...

So which B2P MMOs, other than your imaginary ones, exist today with no cash shop, crippled banks, crippled inventories, character slots, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up GW1? Do you really think that was an MMO? Is Diablo an MMO to you too?

I brought up GW1 just in that post. I hardly call that keep bringing it up.

Regardless of whether one considers Guild Wars an mmo (or corpg) and regardless of whether it really matters, Guild Wars does have a cash shop.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_In-Game_Store#Products


Never said it didn't o.o, but thanks for correcting nothing I guess.

It's pretty amazing how many people show me how smart they are in a single day. Sometimes it makes me feel real stupid. I should study more, and probably should up my reading level a bit.

  Sovrath

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Joined: 1/06/05
Posts: 17203

9/13/13 9:20:36 AM#126
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
...stuff...

So which B2P MMOs, other than your imaginary ones, exist today with no cash shop, crippled banks, crippled inventories, character slots, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up GW1? Do you really think that was an MMO? Is Diablo an MMO to you too?

I brought up GW1 just in that post. I hardly call that keep bringing it up.

Regardless of whether one considers Guild Wars an mmo (or corpg) and regardless of whether it really matters, Guild Wars does have a cash shop.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_In-Game_Store#Products


Never said it didn't o.o, but thanks for correcting nothing I guess.

It's pretty amazing how many people show me how smart they are in a single day. Sometimes it makes me feel real stupid. I should study more, and probably should up my reading level a bit.

Well then I have to apologize I went off his post and the post directly after and inferred something I shouldn't. Cheerfully withdrawn!

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 675

9/15/13 4:33:26 AM#127
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
...stuff...

So which B2P MMOs, other than your imaginary ones, exist today with no cash shop, crippled banks, crippled inventories, character slots, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up GW1? Do you really think that was an MMO? Is Diablo an MMO to you too?

I brought up GW1 just in that post. I hardly call that keep bringing it up.

Regardless of whether one considers Guild Wars an mmo (or corpg) and regardless of whether it really matters, Guild Wars does have a cash shop.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_In-Game_Store#Products


Never said it didn't o.o, but thanks for correcting nothing I guess.

It's pretty amazing how many people show me how smart they are in a single day. Sometimes it makes me feel real stupid. I should study more, and probably should up my reading level a bit.

Well then I have to apologize I went off his post and the post directly after and inferred something I shouldn't. Cheerfully withdrawn!

Apology accepted .. and I sort of thought that is what you did XD. I noticed it seemed like that if you didn't read back far enough. The good news is it seems I scared off everyone from arguing with me lol XD. Makes me feel like I can relax now when I visit these forums.

  asrlohz

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Joined: 7/29/11
Posts: 663

Alea iacta est, beloved Doomsayers.

9/15/13 5:04:29 AM#128
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Sovrath
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

Originally posted by Sovrath

Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
...stuff...

So which B2P MMOs, other than your imaginary ones, exist today with no cash shop, crippled banks, crippled inventories, character slots, etc.

And why do you keep bringing up GW1? Do you really think that was an MMO? Is Diablo an MMO to you too?

I brought up GW1 just in that post. I hardly call that keep bringing it up.

Regardless of whether one considers Guild Wars an mmo (or corpg) and regardless of whether it really matters, Guild Wars does have a cash shop.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Guild_Wars_In-Game_Store#Products


Never said it didn't o.o, but thanks for correcting nothing I guess.

It's pretty amazing how many people show me how smart they are in a single day. Sometimes it makes me feel real stupid. I should study more, and probably should up my reading level a bit.

Well then I have to apologize I went off his post and the post directly after and inferred something I shouldn't. Cheerfully withdrawn!

Apology accepted .. and I sort of thought that is what you did XD. I noticed it seemed like that if you didn't read back far enough. The good news is it seems I scared off everyone from arguing with me lol XD. Makes me feel like I can relax now when I visit these forums.

You'll find no room for relaxing in these parts, mate. We still a ton of irrational people ready to bring up arms and spend the rest of their days arguing over nothing. I'm looking at you, TheScavenger!

  thark

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Joined: 1/01/03
Posts: 1107

9/15/13 5:22:31 AM#129
Originally posted by Fion

To be frank, Guild Wars 2 is so good as a B2P game that any future MMOG will have to be absolute Dynamite  for me to even consider paying to play it. I spent years in WoW paying a sub to sit around in  cities waiting on a queue. I'll never do anything like that again and I'll probably never play another P2P MMOG again.

It isn't about the money, it's about the choice. GW2 gives me a AAA game that I can 'choose' to spend money on if I want cosmetic goodies. A P2P game that isn't as good (IMHO few games ever have been as good as GW2) that requires me to pay them to even access? No, never again unless that game is astoundingly good.

So I voted no. From what I have seen the game doesn't look that good but I'd have tried it if it were B2P or F2P. But I'm not paying $60 to demo a mediocre MMOG.

Look dude, from what I can tell you still have to PAY for GW2 , so you payed 60 $ for GW2 and played it..Only diffrence you will not be subscribing to it :)

It's the same  with ESO you  pay 40-50 $,  then consider if you wan't a subscription or not , there is ALWAYS a month included in the base game purchase.

So..If you ONLY play these games for a month there really is NO diffrence in price at all.

 

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 675

9/15/13 4:57:29 PM#130
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Fion

To be frank, Guild Wars 2 is so good as a B2P game that any future MMOG will have to be absolute Dynamite  for me to even consider paying to play it. I spent years in WoW paying a sub to sit around in  cities waiting on a queue. I'll never do anything like that again and I'll probably never play another P2P MMOG again.

It isn't about the money, it's about the choice. GW2 gives me a AAA game that I can 'choose' to spend money on if I want cosmetic goodies. A P2P game that isn't as good (IMHO few games ever have been as good as GW2) that requires me to pay them to even access? No, never again unless that game is astoundingly good.

So I voted no. From what I have seen the game doesn't look that good but I'd have tried it if it were B2P or F2P. But I'm not paying $60 to demo a mediocre MMOG.

Look dude, from what I can tell you still have to PAY for GW2 , so you payed 60 $ for GW2 and played it..Only diffrence you will not be subscribing to it :)

It's the same  with ESO you  pay 40-50 $,  then consider if you wan't a subscription or not , there is ALWAYS a month included in the base game purchase.

So..If you ONLY play these games for a month there really is NO diffrence in price at all.

 

If you "ONLY"? Sorry to say, that is a huge difference and you can't just apply a rule to change it. What if you want to play MORE then 1 month? Is it the same price then?

The difference is, one game you can play forever with out a time limit if you so choose for the price of $60. The other you have a limit of 1 month, and can never play the game again unless you pay the sub. I don't see how you call that NO difference. o.o

Even if you do decide to really only play the game for 1 month there STILL is a difference. That difference is, I can pick up one of these games at any time and play it even after that month, and the other I can't. The difference is capability. The difference is as clear as day. The difference is not very hard to miss. 

So how did you?

  Jyiiga

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Posts: 1018

9/16/13 10:21:25 AM#131

I'm honestly looking forward to a subscription game again. In the past (on average) games I have subbed to had more content updates, better content and (on average) a stronger community.

The last few shops introduced into MMOs have left a bad taste in my mouth. I am looking at you SWTOR and Neverwinter. Both of those shops are out of control and real money effects the economy and in some cases the power of the players, entirely to much.

Bring on the sub.

  RebelScum99

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9/16/13 10:27:37 AM#132
Absolutely.  I have no problem paying for a sub if they game is good.  
  gatheris

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9/16/13 10:37:31 AM#133

the only reason i'm interested in ESO is because of the sub

and by sub i mean that all content is included - that means stuff in the shop will not be exclusive to the shop

and once the game goes FTP (which seems inevitable) i will stop playing

 

  ignore_me

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9/16/13 10:38:42 AM#134

Game is a theme park isn't it?

They have to run a sub to take advantage of the opening two months--The average time it takes to get to end game and become bored--otherwise they won't make enough money.

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  Theocritus

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9/16/13 10:43:25 AM#135
Nope...Wont even look at it until its f2p...My days of paying 50-100 bucks for a MMO are long gone...There are too many options out there to drop good money on every single game that comes out.
  keithian

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9/16/13 12:29:47 PM#136
Originally posted by Theocritus
Nope...Wont even look at it until its f2p...My days of paying 50-100 bucks for a MMO are long gone...There are too many options out there to drop good money on every single game that comes out.

Would love to know where these great F2P games are that you don't feel compromised in are located, cuz I haven't seen anything of great value out there. Think of it this way, the $15 a month you paid for WOW in 2003 for X amount of years is now $19 in 2013 when you factor in Net Present Value, so in reality you are getting a discount. Its like gas prices that never went up with inflation. Feel better? lol

There Is Always Hope!

  Chriscaa

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9/17/13 11:15:58 PM#137
Elders Scrolls Online is shaping up to be just like Star Wars the Old Republic.  I'll wait until it goes free to play in a couple of months, don't want to get caught up in a greedy company's quick money grab again.
  thark

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9/18/13 2:30:54 PM#138
 
 
 
 
 
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by thark
Originally posted by Fion

To be frank, Guild Wars 2 is so good as a B2P game that any future MMOG will have to be absolute Dynamite  for me to even consider paying to play it. I spent years in WoW paying a sub to sit around in  cities waiting on a queue. I'll never do anything like that again and I'll probably never play another P2P MMOG again.

It isn't about the money, it's about the choice. GW2 gives me a AAA game that I can 'choose' to spend money on if I want cosmetic goodies. A P2P game that isn't as good (IMHO few games ever have been as good as GW2) that requires me to pay them to even access? No, never again unless that game is astoundingly good.

So I voted no. From what I have seen the game doesn't look that good but I'd have tried it if it were B2P or F2P. But I'm not paying $60 to demo a mediocre MMOG.

Look dude, from what I can tell you still have to PAY for GW2 , so you payed 60 $ for GW2 and played it..Only diffrence you will not be subscribing to it :)

It's the same  with ESO you  pay 40-50 $,  then consider if you wan't a subscription or not , there is ALWAYS a month included in the base game purchase.

So..If you ONLY play these games for a month there really is NO diffrence in price at all.

 

If you "ONLY"? Sorry to say, that is a huge difference and you can't just apply a rule to change it. What if you want to play MORE then 1 month? Is it the same price then?

The difference is, one game you can play forever with out a time limit if you so choose for the price of $60. The other you have a limit of 1 month, and can never play the game again unless you pay the sub. I don't see how you call that NO difference. o.o

Even if you do decide to really only play the game for 1 month there STILL is a difference. That difference is, I can pick up one of these games at any time and play it even after that month, and the other I can't. The difference is capability. The difference is as clear as day. The difference is not very hard to miss. 

So how did you?

 you can get back in a BTP original game anytime you like, but if you are serious about the game it will cost you almost as much as any subscription planned game.

Besides, todays games are not the beasts they use to be, not many are playing these games for a couple of years, for most it's a month or a couple of months at best.

Sure in my subscription game i have to fork up another 15$ to get back in, but I will ONLY do that if i'm really serious of getting back in the game ...

Both of these payment models wan't payment for their games, they will take it out in one way or another, the BTP could as easyly be the more expensive one if you look at it, It only feels more cheap since it doesn't have a subscription and the hassle that comes with it, like access to a credit card.

It's about preferences really ,nothing wrong with either model but the illusion that a BTP game is almost free or something is just ..well wrong

 

  Stone_Fountain

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9/18/13 2:49:23 PM#139

I voted Yes, P2P. 

It looks like a well thought out game. I am concerned about breadth of content but I am not a 40 hour a week player anyway. 

 

I do not know many people who played Oblivion or Skyrim and have said, "Man these games sucked". ESO is very much based on these games. It's gameplay looks exciting and the PVP will involve some down and dirty combat where your hands get a little sweaty because you're busy and focused on trying to stay alive. It's all voice acted and the graphics are top notch. It's lore is ingrained into my head and I am very well versed in it. 

 

The speed gamer are people who play alot of games to completion. They get something new and play it ALOT and go through it. This is definately not me. I am a cross between a casual gamer and a raider. Sometimes I like to solo it and sometimes I like to operate in groups. I like to craft and to explore and ESO looks to have these things. 

First PC Game: Pool of Radiance July 10th, 1990. First MMO: Everquest April 23, 1999

  Keushpuppy

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9/18/13 3:12:27 PM#140
I will gladly pay a sub for a ggod game. Plus it keeps riff raff out that cant or wont pay.
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