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General Discussion  » Rapid drop in hype score. Will NCSoft reconsider pricing?

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  Kyleran

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8/20/13 4:01:16 PM#41
Originally posted by Precusor
Originally posted by kitarad
Originally posted by brihtwulf

 

It seems completely illogical that this would be their plan, considering the bleeding of subscribers WoW is experiencing, and the success of games that have gone to a hybrid model, like TERA, SWTOR, Lord of the Rings Online, and Rift.

 

By all accounts  and threads on this site SWTOR is a miserable failure but here to advance an argument it is deemed a success. I must applaud you Sir.

Sadly on this site... any mmo with 500k subs is considered a failed MMO..

If SWTOR really had 500K "subs" then it might make sense to bring it into the conversation.

But it doesn't.

 

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  eimaiego

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8/20/13 4:04:14 PM#42

I m going to play this game but I really wanted it to be f2p (gw2 model), unlike many of you I believe that if a game has high populations is much more fun and I dont believe that p2p will make the community better. A dead p2p game will have great community, a dead f2p game will have great community also.  The size of the community is what makes it good or bad, poppular games with big communitys attract kids like wow or lol and games with small communitys are only been played by experienced and mature players. Thats how things work thats how things always worked in mmo communitys, there is no chance a game will have big player base these days and will not attract kids.

Some of you will say that you just need a stable community like eq or eve and you will have enough player base and mature community, but as I said in my opinion the higher the player base the better the game gets, some aspects of the mmorpgs get better and better when the player base is growing.

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  killion81

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8/20/13 4:04:27 PM#43

No, no they won't.

  Ginaz

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8/20/13 4:04:58 PM#44

Yes, I'm sure they will reconsider based on a hype meter voted on by random people on a website.

This site really need to have a face palm emote.

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  ariboersma

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8/20/13 4:09:37 PM#45
Originally posted by brihtwulf

While there has been some support from the MMO community when it was announced that WildStar would be a full-purchase and subscription-based game, there has been a rather staggering negative response as well.  Their facebook page was full of irritated fans and prospective players ditching their plans to play the game, and on this website the game dropped from the top 5 anticipated, falling out of the top 10.

My question is, does anyone think they will reconsider this decision while they still have time, and was the timing of the announcement perhaps a way for them to "test the waters" to see if players would accept their plans?

It seems completely illogical that this would be their plan, considering the bleeding of subscribers WoW is experiencing, and the success of games that have gone to a hybrid model, like TERA, SWTOR, Lord of the Rings Online, and Rift.

Or, are they simply trying to milk as much money out of the die-hard fans as possible, then pull a "switcheroo" after 6 months and move the game to a hybrid model after getting full purchase price and subscriptions out of the dedicated few? 

You are confused... the payment model is fine, if the game deserves it.. that is why WoW is losing subs.. the game is going downhill. Tera was terrible, no one wanted a grindfest with terrible combat so it dies fast. SWTOR died because no one wanted WoW in space and it lost replay value because of the stories.. unsure on that part but all my guildies who were so keen on SWTOR didnt stay long and that was one of their reasons. LOTRO was always very niche and never the best game.. also their payment model when switched to F2P was odd but very different actually getting it customers but not customers that stayed. Rift lasted a while but in the end failed because holidays do not count as content.. they sort of neglected adding enough REAL content and just kept adding new holidays with mounts to farm.

Those bitching about the fact that Wildstar will be priced AS USUAL for games and be the old payment method that has worked for a long time for GOOD AAA MMO's are just silly.. they forget how badly Neverwinter, Runes of Magic (and hell lets add SWOTR to that list), ect bleed you dry because you cannot function well without paying MORE than 15 bucks a month. 

I am SOOOOO happy that they are not going F2P or even B2P(I was all in favor of GW2 but the chests without keys got to be VERY annoying.. id have paid 15 bucks a month to be rid of just that despite the fact that GW2 offered little replay value.. but it was worth the price IMO even as a play once through game). 15 bucks a month wont keep out the baddies or the kiddies as ppl like to say but it will damn sure make the team work to keep me in game.. something WoW has let slip in their greed last two expansions. I now see the merit in paying for a good game slowly but surely(like the turtle) and enjoying the ride instead of needing to pay out 40 bucks a month to an in game shop to be slightly competetive or having to shell out money for keys to empty out the idiotic chests from my inventory.

  Synns77

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8/20/13 4:10:00 PM#46
Like p2p so that certainly doesn't put me off wildstar, but after playing ff14 and wildstar, there is only room for one sub and that isn't wildstar plus the fact wildstar isn't now releasing until 2014 means that TESO and possibly EQN will be out around the same time so my interest in wildstar has now gone I'm afraid.
  CrazKanuk

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8/20/13 4:10:09 PM#47

Considering that F2P/Cash Shop models have overtaken Subscription models as far as industry revenues are concerned, I'm really surprised that they went subscription. Seems so 90's, doesn't it? 

 

I would have much rather have seen a B2P with a sub option. People who say that F2P players don't pay are in the dark, imo. I've been playing F2P games for a while now and invest in nearly every game that I have played regularly. Only difference is that I don't feel obligated to play like I do with a subscription game. I think that's probably my biggest gripe with a subscription game. You invest all this time and at the end of it, if you don't continue to invest money every month, all your hard work is down the drain, unless you re-sub.

Crazkanuk

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  User Deleted
8/20/13 4:12:05 PM#48

I was interested in this game when I first heard about...  I linked the first vids they released etc to my friends and on the social networks I'm on.   Then due to personal reasons I am not getting into I lost interest...

 

For me the fact they are going with a subscription might get me interested again...    If they change to F2P that's fine but I will never touch the game as I have a bit too much of a personal reaction to anything that is part of NC Soft and what it will be like without some kind of entry barrier.

 

 

  mikelafalce

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8/20/13 4:12:27 PM#49

I have played MMOs for about 15 years. I play F2P and have played P2P, (TOR and TSW). Those 2 games convinced me never to pay a subscription again. $15/month won't kill me because I work. I do object to paying a sub because :

 

A) Haven't seen a game that is THAT good to demand a sub.

B) GW2 is the best MMO I've ever played and the box fee is justified. No Sub.

C) One caveat to having a job and being able to pay a monthly sub is that I must go and work at my job. Between work, family, and having a life, I just don't have the time to play and justify the sub fee.

D) Cash shops, when done well, can be a fun way to customize your character, or even get more out of your limited play time(xp bossters, etc)

E) Anyone who gets mad at the guys who have uber gearz and mounts needs to check themselves. Enjoy your game the way you want to. Let others spend piles of cash on the cash shop. Try to see the cash shop as a way to 'vote' for the game and developers.

D) If you think $15/mo isnt so bad for a sub, why not play F2P then spend $15/mo in the cash shop?

 

I'm not flaming or trolling. Please keep any responses civil.

  ariboersma

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8/20/13 4:13:01 PM#50
Originally posted by Guitarbry
Like p2p so that certainly doesn't put me off wildstar, but after playing ff14 and wildstar, there is only room for one sub and that isn't wildstar plus the fact wildstar isn't now releasing until 2014 means that TESO and possibly EQN will be out around the same time so my interest in wildstar has now gone I'm afraid.

ESO is not coming out hat soon >.< and EQN is FAR from being that close.. they might start closed beta around there. I havent played Wildstar but I have played quite a bit of FF14 and im shocked to hear you think its a better game than Wildstar.

  ariboersma

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8/20/13 4:16:19 PM#51
Originally posted by mikelafalce

I have played MMOs for about 15 years. I play F2P and have played P2P, (TOR and TSW). Those 2 games convinced me never to pay a subscription again. $15/month won't kill me because I work. I do object to paying a sub because :

 

A) Haven't seen a game that is THAT good to demand a sub.

B) GW2 is the best MMO I've ever played and the box fee is justified. No Sub.

C) One caveat to having a job and being able to pay a monthly sub is that I must go and work at my job. Between work, family, and having a life, I just don't have the time to play and justify the sub fee.

D) Cash shops, when done well, can be a fun way to customize your character, or even get more out of your limited play time(xp bossters, etc)

E) Anyone who gets mad at the guys who have uber gearz and mounts needs to check themselves. Enjoy your game the way you want to. Let others spend piles of cash on the cash shop. Try to see the cash shop as a way to 'vote' for the game and developers.

D) If you think $15/mo isnt so bad for a sub, why not play F2P then spend $15/mo in the cash shop?

 

I'm not flaming or trolling. Please keep any responses civil.

wait so your only sub based games have been TOR and TSW?!?!? No wonder you dont believe in them! both are F2P for a reason now and TSW was horrible from the get go... they ruined such a potentially great game with laziness. The only good  f2p games out there pretty much require you to fork out more than 15 per month to enjoy yourself otherwise you are underpowered, slower or uglier than everyone else.

  Synns77

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8/20/13 4:16:46 PM#52
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by Guitarbry
Like p2p so that certainly doesn't put me off wildstar, but after playing ff14 and wildstar, there is only room for one sub and that isn't wildstar plus the fact wildstar isn't now releasing until 2014 means that TESO and possibly EQN will be out around the same time so my interest in wildstar has now gone I'm afraid.

ESO is not coming out hat soon >.< and EQN is FAR from being that close.. they might start closed beta around there. I havent played Wildstar but I have played quite a bit of FF14 and im shocked to hear you think its a better game than Wildstar.

I like to shock :) but yes I prefer ff14 to wildstar, just haven't warmed to it like I thought I would.

  ariboersma

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8/20/13 4:18:47 PM#53
Originally posted by CrazKanuk

Considering that F2P/Cash Shop models have overtaken Subscription models as far as industry revenues are concerned, I'm really surprised that they went subscription. Seems so 90's, doesn't it? 

 

I would have much rather have seen a B2P with a sub option. People who say that F2P players don't pay are in the dark, imo. I've been playing F2P games for a while now and invest in nearly every game that I have played regularly. Only difference is that I don't feel obligated to play like I do with a subscription game. I think that's probably my biggest gripe with a subscription game. You invest all this time and at the end of it, if you don't continue to invest money every month, all your hard work is down the drain, unless you re-sub.

just an FYI, your tag is all wow related. So are you still paying for wow?

  ariboersma

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8/20/13 4:20:57 PM#54
Originally posted by Guitarbry
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by Guitarbry
Like p2p so that certainly doesn't put me off wildstar, but after playing ff14 and wildstar, there is only room for one sub and that isn't wildstar plus the fact wildstar isn't now releasing until 2014 means that TESO and possibly EQN will be out around the same time so my interest in wildstar has now gone I'm afraid.

ESO is not coming out hat soon >.< and EQN is FAR from being that close.. they might start closed beta around there. I havent played Wildstar but I have played quite a bit of FF14 and im shocked to hear you think its a better game than Wildstar.

I like to shock :) but yes I prefer ff14 to wildstar, just haven't warmed to it like I thought I would.

I like FF14, but I do not think it will be a long term game for most folks.. I still ALMOST bought it as I still feel its a good investment to play through once(like GW2) but pregnancy and life is making me be a little more frugal ;) so alas FF14 will not be for me.. I do hope they do well though, i think them redoing the game was a good move and it is a beautiful game.

 

edit: ohhhh how I wish this site combined double posts by ppl(myself!) as other sites do =P

  CrazKanuk

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8/20/13 4:22:41 PM#55
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by CrazKanuk

Considering that F2P/Cash Shop models have overtaken Subscription models as far as industry revenues are concerned, I'm really surprised that they went subscription. Seems so 90's, doesn't it? 

 

I would have much rather have seen a B2P with a sub option. People who say that F2P players don't pay are in the dark, imo. I've been playing F2P games for a while now and invest in nearly every game that I have played regularly. Only difference is that I don't feel obligated to play like I do with a subscription game. I think that's probably my biggest gripe with a subscription game. You invest all this time and at the end of it, if you don't continue to invest money every month, all your hard work is down the drain, unless you re-sub.

just an FYI, your tag is all wow related. So are you still paying for wow?

Lol, no, no I'm not (for like 4 months), but just goes to show that I'm not against subs. I just think that the model is out-dated. Unfortunately I think that using WoW as a measure for what should be subscription leaves very few games which are even close to being worthy. I have subbed to SWTOR, Rift, and others in addition to and after WoW as well, though, and I like the option to unsubscribe and still play periodically. 

Crazkanuk

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  jtcgs

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8/20/13 4:25:53 PM#56
Originally posted by GlacianNex

I have developed that perception because I get to see how those types of decisions are made every single day at my job. There is more to feedback than forums, facebook, twitter, etc. 

I do agree that people have a power to change the final product.

 So you have developed your opinion based on your job, which is not in the same field and thus shouldn't apply...yet have that opinion, which your post was based on...and then you say that you agree to the opposite of your previous opinion.

Nice!

Anyway, in this genre there is NOT more to feedback than forums, facebook, twitter, etc because those are the only ways to give feedback to game companies due to their choosing it to be.

If there is enough blowback, it can be changed, and people should speak up if they don't like it, its their right as a consumer and possible future customer. To do nothing is the crime.

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  ariboersma

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8/20/13 4:27:18 PM#57
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by CrazKanuk

Considering that F2P/Cash Shop models have overtaken Subscription models as far as industry revenues are concerned, I'm really surprised that they went subscription. Seems so 90's, doesn't it? 

 

I would have much rather have seen a B2P with a sub option. People who say that F2P players don't pay are in the dark, imo. I've been playing F2P games for a while now and invest in nearly every game that I have played regularly. Only difference is that I don't feel obligated to play like I do with a subscription game. I think that's probably my biggest gripe with a subscription game. You invest all this time and at the end of it, if you don't continue to invest money every month, all your hard work is down the drain, unless you re-sub.

just an FYI, your tag is all wow related. So are you still paying for wow?

Lol, no, no I'm not (for like 4 months), but just goes to show that I'm not against subs. I just think that the model is out-dated. Unfortunately I think that using WoW as a measure for what should be subscription leaves very few games which are even close to being worthy. I have subbed to SWTOR, Rift, and others in addition to and after WoW as well, though, and I like the option to unsubscribe and still play periodically. 

see thats the problem.. there havent been any games WORTHY of a sub since wow was new.. nothing that has come out has been as good and I have hated wow for two expansions.. even though I still sub.. mostly because I REALLY want to see Garrosh dead! and my husband pretty much talking me into coming back for MOP then I got pokemon.. err I mean battle pet fever ;) Now I sure as hell do not know if Wildstar will be worthy but if it is... I want it to be a sub based game so that I am not forced to fork out so much cash to be competetive or to play the way I want and as I said before I want the devs to have to work to keep me wanted to pay 15 bucks a month. If Wildstar works out that way I will be in hog heaven.. if not I wait for ESO and play that until there is something better.

  killion81

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Joined: 8/31/06
Posts: 915

8/20/13 4:36:49 PM#58
Originally posted by jtcgs
Originally posted by GlacianNex

I have developed that perception because I get to see how those types of decisions are made every single day at my job. There is more to feedback than forums, facebook, twitter, etc. 

I do agree that people have a power to change the final product.

 So you have developed your opinion based on your job, which is not in the same field and thus shouldn't apply...yet have that opinion, which your post was based on...and then you say that you agree to the opposite of your previous opinion.

Nice!

Anyway, in this genre there is NOT more to feedback than forums, facebook, twitter, etc because those are the only ways to give feedback to game companies due to their choosing it to be.

If there is enough blowback, it can be changed, and people should speak up if they don't like it, its their right as a consumer and possible future customer. To do nothing is the crime.

 

Rather than do nothing, I'm going to give them $60 for the box when it comes out, then $15 per month starting the 2nd month IF the game is of high enough quality to merit it.  So, basically, if I'm having fun I'll pay the pittance that grants me access for 720 hours.

Then Scrooge and I are going to spend Christmas counting coins and shooing beggars away from the door.

  CrazKanuk

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Joined: 10/06/09
Posts: 1596

8/20/13 4:42:53 PM#59
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by CrazKanuk
Originally posted by ariboersma
Originally posted by CrazKanuk

Considering that F2P/Cash Shop models have overtaken Subscription models as far as industry revenues are concerned, I'm really surprised that they went subscription. Seems so 90's, doesn't it? 

 

I would have much rather have seen a B2P with a sub option. People who say that F2P players don't pay are in the dark, imo. I've been playing F2P games for a while now and invest in nearly every game that I have played regularly. Only difference is that I don't feel obligated to play like I do with a subscription game. I think that's probably my biggest gripe with a subscription game. You invest all this time and at the end of it, if you don't continue to invest money every month, all your hard work is down the drain, unless you re-sub.

just an FYI, your tag is all wow related. So are you still paying for wow?

Lol, no, no I'm not (for like 4 months), but just goes to show that I'm not against subs. I just think that the model is out-dated. Unfortunately I think that using WoW as a measure for what should be subscription leaves very few games which are even close to being worthy. I have subbed to SWTOR, Rift, and others in addition to and after WoW as well, though, and I like the option to unsubscribe and still play periodically. 

see thats the problem.. there havent been any games WORTHY of a sub since wow was new.. nothing that has come out has been as good and I have hated wow for two expansions.. even though I still sub.. mostly because I REALLY want to see Garrosh dead! and my husband pretty much talking me into coming back for MOP then I got pokemon.. err I mean battle pet fever ;) Now I sure as hell do not know if Wildstar will be worthy but if it is... I want it to be a sub based game so that I am not forced to fork out so much cash to be competetive or to play the way I want and as I said before I want the devs to have to work to keep me wanted to pay 15 bucks a month. If Wildstar works out that way I will be in hog heaven.. if not I wait for ESO and play that until there is something better.

 

This is why I think that B2P with a sub option would have been much more effective. I think that going strictly subscription will make people sit back a little bit. Even though there are people here saying they prefer subscription and it's going to make them buy it, those are the exact same people who will wait and see, and let some other suckers try it first before they sink their own money into it. Result? Slow pre-sales, slower launch sales. If they can weather the storm for a few months AND be as good or better than WoW, then they might make it. Just too much of a risk to go 100% subscription, IMO. 

 

I would play this as a B2P game, but there are so many other games which are looking equally as good as this, that are free, that I just don't know if I will find the value to pay a sub. 

Crazkanuk

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  VassagoMael

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Joined: 3/09/12
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8/20/13 4:44:12 PM#60

Who even tracks hype that closely? Who cares, there is a literal horde of free to play people that go around wrecking games and then move on to the next one. No one wants them. They will not get to do this to WildStar so they are mad. *world's smallest violin*

Free to play = content updates for the cash shop. Buy to play = content updates for the cash shop.
Subscription = Actual content updates!

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