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General Discussion  » Subscription $15 and CREDD $20?

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  DingoBoi

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OP  8/20/13 8:18:23 AM#21
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by dontadow

It's all pretty ludicrous to me. Even if you were to do a Sub system, again, 15 bucks is some wierd arbitrarly number that, at this stage, only established IP can demand.  I have no idea why games don't lower it to 5 or 10 bucks considering they would keep a steadier and grow a larger player base.  It's economic fact. Once prices go over 10 bucks for everything, our minds see the cost differently, whether slightly or a new bill.  But 5/ 10 bucks, the lower syllables in the number subconciously make us believe it's not as much as is perceived. 

Actually, due to consumer price bias, they can't offer the game at lower than 15 dollars, because the perception will be that it is an inferior or lower quality game.

Show your post to your economics teacher and see what he thinks about your 'economic fact'. Give him time to stop laughing about the one syllable thing first though, because he'll also want to explain the difference between your one syllable "ten" and the four syllable "nine ninety-nine".

 

I'm not so sure of that.  $15 is the 'standard' sub price granted... but a product at less that that like $10 or $8 could compete quite well without the reactionary "it must suck' response.  Defiance sold at $60 for the retail game.. the game sucks... granted, it's b2p... but it still suxx big donkey dick.

I cannot help but believe that there is a happy medium between b2p and subs... The gameworld is moving away from subs entirely...  A $5/month sub is far more attractive to players and, if a good game, will earn them lots of subscribers.

The core problem is that there are lots of games that are ftp.  No cash upfront but buy if you want special features... and that's fine.  But when I buy, I don't want to be nickle and dimed to death after to advance.  

and i especially don't want devs outright lying to me about their business model.

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 8:21:35 AM#22
Originally posted by Loke666
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Because AppleBabe345 doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your account. It is a much more secure path to go than buying from a third party, where any number of things could happen - having your newly purchased gold removed from the game, getting yourself banned, getting your account hacked, or getting your personal info used inappropriately.

I know that won't stop you from pounding out "cashgrab" as your response a dozen more times in this thread, but that's the answer.

CREDD allows the Wildstar players with extra money and the players with extra time to mutually benefit from each other's assets.

Agreed.

But I still don't like games with monthly fees that allow selling of gold or gear, I get that "pay2win" feeling from that.

I guess if good stuff cost as much as a top ship in Eve it would work out since few people actually can afford that but I do remember loads of people here complaining that GW2 allows you to trade real money for gold and it is just B2P with a very easy to get high end gear (you can actually farm enough for a exo gear there in one hour).

If Wildstar is more gear focused than that this game is off my list no matter how good it is.

I think it all depends on how the game is designed. On the EVE thing, the person that can't afford that expensive ship is just screwing himself by trying to buy his way into it. He gets no advantage out of that. More than likely, he just paid the monthly fee of the guy who's about to blow him up. :) In GW2, the shop seems mostly cosmetic, and none of it seems to affect PVP, so if people want Quaggin backpacks, I say go for it. I'm not a fan of how they do the dyes, but that's just my personal issue with it.

PLEX, Krono, Gems... each of the systems seem to solve several problems. It gives veteran players something to do with their gold (and allows many to play for free), it offers a secure way for people who want gold to get it without going through sometimes sketchy third parties, and it opens up more options in game.

If 'buy to win' becomes an issue in WildStar, then that would be because of poor game design, and not because of the existence of CREDD. If the perception is that game items cost too much but the game is enjoyable, people will just go to the third party sellers for their gold.

 

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 8:25:24 AM#23
Originally posted by DingoBoi
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by DingoBoi

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by ipeka Anyone can give me an estimation in EVE , how much effort do i need to give myself to pay for monthly without real money?  I dont have much issue paying monthly but knwoing that i can work for my a free month would be an interesting option.   If i have to give like 80% of my time weekly to earn gold for CREDD then that's a no-no.
  An hour or 2 of missions every day for 30 days.
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I farmed lvl 4 missions that took about an hour, 2 if i wanted to savage the wrecks every day for 30 days to buy a plex for 350,000,000 isk from jita.

Are you calling me a liar?

edit: (i might of been on lvl 3 missions at the time, and for full disclosure the price of plex recently is about 500,000,000isk. Scale accordingly.)

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"Anyone can give me an estimation in EVE , how much effort do i need to give myself to pay for monthly without real money?" - ipeka

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 8:33:27 AM#24
Originally posted by DingoBoi
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Ok, so really, you don't want an answer. You want to call the devs greedy liars and you want to call people who disagree with you idiots. Got it.

/block

Well, aren't they?

They are claiming they need the extra $5 to make transactions secure.... but if it's an item, the regular trade system is secure isn't it? 

You just don't know when you are being fed a line of bullshit.. utter bullshit at that. 

But thanks for glossing over the actual issue you idiot.

If you feel my explanation is glossing it over, fine. You're paying for a secure, convenient, transferable token worth a month of subscription that can be traded to other players for game gold/ISK/plat/zennies/whatever.  Unlike your other in game items, CREDD is tied to the billing system and whatever other backend databases are used for customer accounts. That said, no one is going to buy a CREDD for $20 to pay their subscription. 

  Four0Six

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8/20/13 8:42:20 AM#25

Why so mad OP?

Don't like $20, sub for $15.

If NC wants to "tax" for the option for in-game gold selling, seems they have the right to do so. Seems fair to me also.

 

On the subject of "$15 monthly subs". I will only pontificate with a question: How much has a movie ticket gone up in price since you began to pay $15 for a month sub? Yeah that is what I thought, 50% minimum. So, economically MMO subs are a very unique commodity.

 

 

Finally this: DON"T LIKE IT DONT PLAY IT!

  strangepowers

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8/20/13 8:43:25 AM#26

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The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  strangepowers

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8/20/13 8:46:51 AM#27

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The scary part is one day the world will be run by adults who were never spanked as kids and got trophies just for participating.

  Ryowulf

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8/20/13 8:47:00 AM#28

Plex price is player controlled, so kinda pointless to try to guess the grind for Wildstar from Eve.

Here is the thing;

1. There has to be things in the game that people will want to buy with real money (that is what they are doing when they buy CREDD).  PVP armor sets maybe?

2. The things for sale have to be high priced enough that it takes effect (grind) for normal people to get. 

3. By having wanted goods at a high gold cost you add grind to the game to keep people playing (and paying)

4. Cheats, bots and exploits are in every game where its worth people's time to find/make them.  Games normally take some amount of time after launch to find and end these cheats.  However it means that some players have gotten lots of gold/shards/gems.  This ill/bot gotten gold wrecks the in game economy.

 

 

  Skuall

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8/20/13 8:47:09 AM#29

u cant win agains gold sellers that way....they will be always be farming gold and if can sell gold INGAME for 20$? cool

and will sell u gold outside the game for way less too

 

doble profit for gold sellers

 

 

 

 

  xray00

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8/20/13 8:47:13 AM#30
Originally posted by DingoBoi
Originally posted by Nitth

 


Originally posted by DingoBoi

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by ipeka Anyone can give me an estimation in EVE , how much effort do i need to give myself to pay for monthly without real money?  I dont have much issue paying monthly but knwoing that i can work for my a free month would be an interesting option.   If i have to give like 80% of my time weekly to earn gold for CREDD then that's a no-no.
  An hour or 2 of missions every day for 30 days.
[mod edit]

 

I farmed lvl 4 missions that took about an hour, 2 if i wanted to savage the wrecks every day for 30 days to buy a plex for 350,000,000 isk from jita.

Are you calling me a liar?

edit: (i might of been on lvl 3 missions at the time, and for full disclosure the price of plex recently is about 500,000,000isk. Scale accordingly.)

[mod edit]

 

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Credd is a service that you may or may not participate in. That service basically costs what the devs believe it should. It is not a cash grab in any way. If you do not feel that the fee they charge is worth the service then you do not need to use it. If you feel it is fair then you use it. That is called an free, open market. If no one uses it then the devs will adjust the fee until their customer base finds it acceptable. People are so willing to call anything a dev does they disagree with a cash grab. It is pathetic.

As for your argument on the sub-rate the $15.00 a month is perfectly fair, is affordable for the vast majority of player - not just the rich as you seemed to be claiming, and it should not be lower. First, if you knew anything about economics (which it is patently obvious you do not) then you would understand the lowering the monthly fee, as another poster said, would actually devalue the product in the eyes of the consumer. Much as there is a point at which a company can charge too much (it is not worth it) there is also a point at which a company can charge too little (if it is that cheap is must be pretty crappy). You can and will lose sales when you do not charge enough money for a service or item.

Not that any of this really matters. Given that you just want to scream 'cash grab' it is obvious you don't really want to hold a mature, adult conversation about the subject.

  krondin

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8/20/13 8:48:17 AM#31

  The concept is actually Sound and helpful and protective of the game economy to be established .  

  For folks who complain about a game having subscriptions of $15 monthly consider this..... 2 McDonalds combo meals, or 8 to 10 drinks from a quicky mart, one pizza ordered for delivery, all cost about the same and thats not much to play a game for an entire month considering the amount of entertainment it provides. Lowered sub prices to say 10 or 8 or even 5 bucks a month imho is a bad thing. If you get your game going subs then charge enough for players to enjoy the game via subs with new content often.  Too many game companies today are after the "quick buck" and not long term game play revenues. This will change , in time.... but till then, most game companies seem to be looking for initial return to cover costs and enough extra initial to cover adding new content with only the hope of enough subs and or cash store options to support them. Being this is all about Business and Making money, not about making the best games , I don't expect this trend to end anytime soon.

 

PS: If paying for your entertainment, even at just $15 a month, is too much for you, I suggest finding something else to do with your time. Playing MMO's isn't for you. Its not free, you aren't "Entitled " to it. Its Entertainment! You'll be hard pressed to find any other source of this much volume of entertainment for an entire month for even 10X as much $$$ !

I hope you find something that makes you happier then complaining about game subscription costs in these forums!

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 8:59:02 AM#32
Originally posted by Skuall

u cant win agains gold sellers that way....they will be always be farming gold and if can sell gold INGAME for 20$? cool

and will sell u gold outside the game for way less too

 

doble profit for gold sellers

Can you share which game or what data you're basing that on? 

From what I've seen with PLEX, it drove down the number of ISK sellers and priced several out of existence. But even when some may be cheaper, given the options of lower price but possibly sketchy seller and slightly higher price but secure transaction, it seems most people would choose the latter.

  GeezerGamer

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8/20/13 9:14:59 AM#33

Putting aside that it's the biggest double dip yet. B2P price tag on box, full triple A sub and RMT. I pay a sub to get away from RMT.

This system works for EVE, but that doesn't mean it will work across the board for anyone else. EVE is a separate beast. PLEX is successful in EVE because the economy was already established when RMT was introduced so real money didn't establish the value of ISK from the beginning. And also because of the desire in EVE for multiple accounts, there is a legit reason to buy time in the game. I fear in WS, it will just destroy the economy

 

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
SWTOR Experience

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 9:41:26 AM#34
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Putting aside that it's the biggest double dip yet.

CREDD is a month of game time. Other than those planning to play the market, the only reason for a player to buy CREDD from another is to spend it on a month of Wildstar.

Can you explain why you feel this is "double dipping"? Better yet, can you explain what you think that phrase means?

  GeezerGamer

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8/20/13 9:52:30 AM#35
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Putting aside that it's the biggest double dip yet.

CREDD is a month of game time. Other than those planning to play the market, the only reason for a player to buy CREDD from another is to spend it on a month of Wildstar.

Can you explain why you feel this is "double dipping"? Better yet, can you explain what you think that phrase means?

If by the context you can't figure it out then all you want to do is deter me from my argument. I've no intention to get hung up on semantics.

What I am saying is.....

Box+Sub+RMT=BAD

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
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  Nitth

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8/20/13 10:22:02 AM#36

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  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 11:11:10 AM#37
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Putting aside that it's the biggest double dip yet.

CREDD is a month of game time. Other than those planning to play the market, the only reason for a player to buy CREDD from another is to spend it on a month of Wildstar.

Can you explain why you feel this is "double dipping"? Better yet, can you explain what you think that phrase means?

If by the context you can't figure it out then all you want to do is deter me from my argument. I've no intention to get hung up on semantics.

What I am saying is.....

Box+Sub+RMT=BAD

So they will have a cash shop or item mall in the game?  You say they're "double dipping" which means what? they are taking money twice?

If there's a cash shop, I can see how one might think that (although I don't agree with it) but if you are referring to CREDD, that simply doesn't make any sense as the only thing being bought, and eventually consumed, is a month of game time. 

 

 

  GeezerGamer

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8/20/13 11:22:22 AM#38
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

Putting aside that it's the biggest double dip yet.

CREDD is a month of game time. Other than those planning to play the market, the only reason for a player to buy CREDD from another is to spend it on a month of Wildstar.

Can you explain why you feel this is "double dipping"? Better yet, can you explain what you think that phrase means?

If by the context you can't figure it out then all you want to do is deter me from my argument. I've no intention to get hung up on semantics.

What I am saying is.....

Box+Sub+RMT=BAD

So they will have a cash shop or item mall in the game?  You say they're "double dipping" which means what? they are taking money twice?

If there's a cash shop, I can see how one might think that (although I don't agree with it) but if you are referring to CREDD, that simply doesn't make any sense as the only thing being bought, and eventually consumed, is a month of game time. 

 

 

Quoted from the article on the revel:

CREDD stands for Certificate of Research, Exploration, Destruction and Development (cleverly “WildStarified” by the Carbine team).  Basically, players can buy this month-long unit of game time from the WildStarOnline.com website itself, and then turn around and sell it in-game on the Commodities Exchange.

I can buy CREDD and sell it for game currency. So, while this isn't a true cash shop because you can't by any frilly cosmetics, I can still buy anything that game currency buys. So how is this different than having a cash shop?

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  Nadia

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8/20/13 11:28:34 AM#39
Originally posted by GeezerGamer

This system works for EVE, but that doesn't mean it will work across the board for anyone else.

EVE is a separate beast.

PLEX is successful in EVE because the economy was already established when RMT was introduced so real money didn't establish the value of ISK from the beginning. And also because of the desire in EVE for multiple accounts, there is a legit reason to buy time in the game. I fear in WS, it will just destroy the economy

fair enough comment

 

I know its working for SOE too w EQ2 and Krono

but I agree, will have to see on a game by game basis

  9ineven

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8/20/13 11:38:03 AM#40
Originally posted by Thane

yea, why do they go for 15$ .......

because that's the price they all go for?

 

Why do they all go for the same price ?

Ah nvm I know the answer.

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