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  DingoBoi

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OP  8/20/13 6:30:59 AM#1

A monthly sub costs $15, but you can also buy and resell CREDD for $20. 

 

Why does C.R.E.D.D. cost more than a monthly subscription?

This allows us to protect our users and provide secure player to player transactions with in-game money.

 

I'd like to know how?  It seems to make no sense to me other than being a blatant cash grab.  Can anyone actually explain why CREDD costs $5 more than a monthly sub?  Because the reasons they cite simply don't add up to anything but scamming you out of an extra $5.

And... let's not forget the blatant cash grab of the $60 retail box cost that has been traditionally for consoles, not pc games.  All this simply reeks of cashgrab.

Defiance came out with a $60 price tag... and.. well.. the game really suxxors.  Should have been FTP.  I'm thinking I'll pass on this failure.

 

 
  Nadia

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8/20/13 6:35:00 AM#2
same thing EVE does -- cash for PLEX is 19.95
  Zapzap

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8/20/13 6:52:15 AM#3

CREDD is more about buying gold for cash than a sub. What other reason is there to buy CREDD than your buying gold. Legalized gold selling.  The question is why would anyone buy CREDD?  Only those who are having problem justifying paying a sub.  But those people are never long term players.  Anyone on the fence like that will never stick to a game.  It is just a way to get a few more dollars without using a cash shop from the players with the short attention spans.

 

They can charge whatever they want as long as it is $15 or greater.  Anything less would not make sense.  But if they can get away with it at $20.00 why not do it.  It is just another way for them to make money and avoid all the game design problems and unwanted ultra casual game hoppers that ruin communities from the F2P model. The game is being made for veteran experienced MMO players that want to bring the genre back to what it was in pre-WoW difficulty and also community wise.  While it will never be as good as a pre-wow community it can be so much better than the kiddie offend everyone in sight GW2 type communities we see in the F2P games.

  DMKano

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8/20/13 7:00:28 AM#4

They do it to force people to sub.

Credd cost is higher because you can sell it in game for game currency, its just a method of paying $ for in game currency for players that don't have a lot of time to earn it in game and would rather just pay for it

 

  flclimax

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8/20/13 7:02:54 AM#5
gonna flop. PLEX came about long after EVE's economy was settled and flowing, TERA chronoscroll is a bit wacky but still better than what WS will be. their economy will be a runaway from day 1.
  DingoBoi

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OP  8/20/13 7:12:37 AM#6
Originally posted by Zapzap

CREDD is more about buying gold for cash than a sub. What other reason is there to buy CREDD than your buying gold. Legalized gold selling.  The question is why would anyone buy CREDD?  Only those who are having problem justifying paying a sub.  But those people are never long term players.  Anyone on the fence like that will never stick to a game.  It is just a way to get a few more dollars without using a cash shop from the players with the short attention spans.

 

They can charge whatever they want as long as it is $15 or greater.  Anything less would not make sense.  But if they can get away with it at $20.00 why not do it.  It is just another way for them to make money and avoid all the game design problems and unwanted ultra casual game hoppers that ruin communities from the F2P model. The game is being made for veteran experienced MMO players that want to bring the genre back to what it was in pre-WoW difficulty and also community wise.  While it will never be as good as a pre-wow community it can be so much better than the kiddie offend everyone in sight GW2 type communities we see in the F2P games.

Okay, I get the legalized gold selling aspect.  But you are completely wrong about the 'why would anyone buy CREDD?  Only those who are having problems justifying a sub".... um... those who buy CREDD won't be those who have problems justifying a sub.... because if they can't afford $15, they certainly can't afford $20.  This is for rich people who have more money than brains.  And I'm not opposed to that.  A game can make money off of rich people with lots of disposable income and little time... so they buy CREDD and sell it for gold to buy what they really want, but don't have to time to farm credits.

I got that and I approve.

The issue I still have is that they are trying to sell this as a bullshit feature for your security rather than call it exactly what it is.  A blatant cash-grab. 

 

Why does C.R.E.D.D. cost more than a monthly subscription?

This allows us to protect our users and provide secure player to player transactions with in-game money.

 

How does $5 more provide protection for your users and secure player to player transactions with in-game money?  Any basic trading system should be secure and provide the same things, so why does this game demand an extra $5 to provide something that is standard in other games? 

I don't have a problem with the extra cost and extra profit for them by doing this, but I do have a problem with how they are billing it as a feature rather than the explicit cash-grab it is.

 

  Margrave

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8/20/13 7:16:53 AM#7
With this reveal I just added this title to my 'skip' list.
  Nadia

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8/20/13 7:21:41 AM#8
Originally posted by DingoBoi

How does $5 more provide protection for your users and secure player to player transactions with in-game money? 

cant speak for EVE but in SOE games there are time cards that players can trade ingame cash for

 

this method is more secure than trusting some unknown time card code

  ipeka

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8/20/13 7:23:10 AM#9

Anyone can give me an estimation in EVE , how much effort do i need to give myself to pay for monthly without real money?  I dont have much issue paying monthly but knwoing that i can work for my a free month would be an interesting option.

If i have to give like 80% of my time weekly to earn gold for CREDD then that's a no-no.

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 7:29:48 AM#10
Originally posted by DingoBoi


The issue I still have is that they are trying to sell this as a bullshit feature for your security rather than call it exactly what it is.  A blatant cash-grab. 

Why does C.R.E.D.D. cost more than a monthly subscription?

This allows us to protect our users and provide secure player to player transactions with in-game money.

 

How does $5 more provide protection for your users and secure player to player transactions with in-game money?  Any basic trading system should be secure and provide the same things, so why does this game demand an extra $5 to provide something that is standard in other games? 

Because AppleBabe345 doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your account. It is a much more secure path to go than buying from a third party, where any number of things could happen - having your newly purchased gold removed from the game, getting yourself banned, getting your account hacked, or getting your personal info used inappropriately.

I know that won't stop you from pounding out "cashgrab" as your response a dozen more times in this thread, but that's the answer.

 

CREDD allows the Wildstar players with extra money and the players with extra time to mutually benefit from each other's assets.

 

 

 

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  DingoBoi

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OP  8/20/13 7:45:27 AM#11
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by DingoBoi


The issue I still have is that they are trying to sell this as a bullshit feature for your security rather than call it exactly what it is.  A blatant cash-grab. 

Why does C.R.E.D.D. cost more than a monthly subscription?

This allows us to protect our users and provide secure player to player transactions with in-game money.

 

How does $5 more provide protection for your users and secure player to player transactions with in-game money?  Any basic trading system should be secure and provide the same things, so why does this game demand an extra $5 to provide something that is standard in other games? 

Because AppleBabe345 doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your account. It is a much more secure path to go than buying from a third party, where any number of things could happen - having your newly purchased gold removed from the game, getting yourself banned, getting your account hacked, or getting your personal info used inappropriately.

I know that won't stop you from pounding out "cashgrab" as your response a dozen more times in this thread, but that's the answer.

 

CREDD allows the Wildstar players with extra money and the players with extra time to mutually benefit from each other's assets.

 

 

 

And I agree with you, but the basic trading system should already cover that shouldn't it?  If it's an item to be traded, it doesn't need 'extra special protection' that costs an extra $5.  Or are they saying their basic trading system is so horribly broken it can be hacked with a piece of tinfoil and a paper clip? 

What I'm saying is the reasons they specify don't add up to anything but utter bullshit and a cashgrab. 

Demean my use of 'cashgrab' all you want, but that is simply what it is.  Don't try to tell me it costs an extra $5 to securely trade an item when it simply doesn't.  I only want them to be honest.  If you have money, buy this and sell it in-game for gold.  Secure in-game transactions are part of a basic trade system, it's not something special they have to add on. 

[mod edit]

I'm passing on this game till it's FTP, which it will be within 3 months.  When devs lie to your face, that's never a good sign about the game.

 

  Nadia

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8/20/13 7:52:08 AM#12

I don't see any issues with CREDD

- its modeled after EVE's PLEX system, that has the same price tier

  dontadow

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8/20/13 7:55:48 AM#13

It's all pretty ludicrous to me. Even if you were to do a Sub system, again, 15 bucks is some wierd arbitrarly number that, at this stage, only established IP can demand.  I have no idea why games don't lower it to 5 or 10 bucks considering they would keep a steadier and grow a larger player base.  It's economic fact. Once prices go over 10 bucks for everything, our minds see the cost differently, whether slightly or a new bill.  But 5/ 10 bucks, the lower syllables in the number subconciously make us believe it's not as much as is perceived. 

The whole thing's fairly baffling to me. The only thing I can guess is that whoever is funding them hasn't done their research and truly believes they can be the next Wow, a lofty goal that, 2 years ago, everyone found out was fool's gold.  Sad thing is, when it does become free to play (which I can only bet they are planning for in a year) the game may not be able to recover the initital reputation hit. Rift had a strong reputation for being a greatly polished game, LOTR and SWTOR have great IP backing them up. Wildstar just has some catchy toons right now and, a paths and "telegraph system" that are done in other names (simply given no name).  

  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 7:59:23 AM#14
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"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Thane

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8/20/13 8:00:44 AM#15

yea, why do they go for 15$ .......

because that's the price they all go for?

12€...

 

 

seriously, chill your panties.... maybe they thought they will be successfull because they followed the hypetrain here on the forum?

you dont like the CREDD thingie, cool storry, dont buy em...

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  Nitth

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8/20/13 8:02:17 AM#16


Originally posted by ipeka
Anyone can give me an estimation in EVE , how much effort do i need to give myself to pay for monthly without real money?  I dont have much issue paying monthly but knwoing that i can work for my a free month would be an interesting option.

If i have to give like 80% of my time weekly to earn gold for CREDD then that's a no-no.


An hour or 2 of missions every day for 30 days.


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  Loktofeit

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8/20/13 8:05:09 AM#17
Originally posted by dontadow

It's all pretty ludicrous to me. Even if you were to do a Sub system, again, 15 bucks is some wierd arbitrarly number that, at this stage, only established IP can demand.  I have no idea why games don't lower it to 5 or 10 bucks considering they would keep a steadier and grow a larger player base.  It's economic fact. Once prices go over 10 bucks for everything, our minds see the cost differently, whether slightly or a new bill.  But 5/ 10 bucks, the lower syllables in the number subconciously make us believe it's not as much as is perceived. 

Actually, due to consumer price bias, they can't offer the game at lower than 15 dollars, because the perception will be that it is an inferior or lower quality game.

Show your post to your economics teacher and see what he thinks about your 'economic fact'. Give him time to stop laughing about the one syllable thing first though, because he'll also want to explain the difference between your one syllable "ten" and the four syllable "nine ninety-nine".

 

"And wikipedia is as accurate as Britannica. Wikipedia is very reliable. You would be hard pressed to find a more reliable source for these kinds of things." -fivoroth

  Nitth

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8/20/13 8:10:42 AM#18

 


Originally posted by DingoBoi

Originally posted by Nitth  

Originally posted by ipeka Anyone can give me an estimation in EVE , how much effort do i need to give myself to pay for monthly without real money?  I dont have much issue paying monthly but knwoing that i can work for my a free month would be an interesting option.   If i have to give like 80% of my time weekly to earn gold for CREDD then that's a no-no.
  An hour or 2 of missions every day for 30 days.
[mod edit]

 

I farmed lvl 4 missions that took about an hour, 2 if i wanted to savage the wrecks every day for 30 days to buy a plex for 350,000,000 isk from jita.

Are you calling me a liar?

edit: (i might of been on lvl 3 missions at the time, and for full disclosure the price of plex recently is about 500,000,000isk. Scale accordingly.)


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  Loke666

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8/20/13 8:12:11 AM#19
Originally posted by Loktofeit

Because AppleBabe345 doesn't give a rat's ass about you or your account. It is a much more secure path to go than buying from a third party, where any number of things could happen - having your newly purchased gold removed from the game, getting yourself banned, getting your account hacked, or getting your personal info used inappropriately.

I know that won't stop you from pounding out "cashgrab" as your response a dozen more times in this thread, but that's the answer.

CREDD allows the Wildstar players with extra money and the players with extra time to mutually benefit from each other's assets.

Agreed.

But I still don't like games with monthly fees that allow selling of gold or gear, I get that "pay2win" feeling from that.

I guess if good stuff cost as much as a top ship in Eve it would work out since few people actually can afford that but I do remember loads of people here complaining that GW2 allows you to trade real money for gold and it is just B2P with a very easy to get high end gear (you can actually farm enough for a exo gear there in one hour).

If Wildstar is more gear focused than that this game is off my list no matter how good it is.

  IceAge

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8/20/13 8:14:24 AM#20

Players like OP are players which are QQ-ing for every fcking thing out there. 

I would rather have this option, then having my chat spam with gold sellers. 

People will buy gold no matter what. So why should they fight like forever with gold sellers, when they can easily take a part from it. I would do the same, you would do the same. Blizzard's doing the same. It's a business after all. So if their business work, we , as gamers, will be happy.

Reporter: What's behind Blizzard success, and how do you make your gamers happy?
Blizzard Boss: Making gamers happy is not my concern, making money.. yes!

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