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News & Features Discussion  » [Review] Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar: Enjoyable Game, Terrible Cash Shop

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8/20/13 3:48:57 PM#21
Owners of apple tablets can drop money into the sinkhole game

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8/20/13 4:23:37 PM#22

Originally posted by InsaneDalek

Ultima IV was a revolutionary RPG for its time, and still stands out today as a landmark title which made people truly think about what could be possible for what had up until that point been a fairly brainless hack & slash genre. There was no villain or overarching evil plot, it was just the tale of one man seeking spiritual enlightenment, both for himself and to provide inspiration for others to do the same. The philosophical & spiritual themes would continue for the rest of the Ultima series, IMO culminating with Ultima 7 part 2.

This title turns it back into a brainless hack & slash game. They throw in a generic bad guy (The weep? WTF), dumb down the complex moral & ethical dilemmas present throughout the original series into Bioware's signature, "Good, Neutral, Evil" dialogue tree (except even more shallow), and generally just transforms it into the exact opposite of what the original Ultima IV was.

It's a brainless, soulless cash grab with all the moral complexity of a spitball. It's not anywhere NEAR worthy of a 6, a 4, or even a 1. Hell, a rating of ZERO would be too good for it.

If you want to know what Ultima was REALLY about, do yourself a favor and go buy the originals on GOG. You'll spend less money, and they might even make you think a little bit.

Better yet, the original Ultima IV is 100% free on GOG. So even if you're somehow unwilling to buy the later games in the series, IV won't cost you anything but time.


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8/20/13 4:58:03 PM#23

Whenever Ultima Online was taken over by EA, I had a feeling they would eventually make a game like this. I encourage all Ultima lovers to support

Shroud of the Avatar is the “spiritual successor” to Richard’s previous work in the FRP genre. Our primary objectives are to tell a story even more compelling than Ultimas IV-VII, create a virtual world more interactive than Ultima VII, develop deep rich multi-player capabilities beyond combat akin to Ultima Online, and offer a bold new approach to integrate them with “Selective Multi-Player”.

Hey listen! A dev. team that is actually commited to making a great game.


Oh and it's approaching $2.5 million in BACKERS. Not corporate backers mind you. 





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8/20/13 5:46:47 PM#24
Originally posted by Scot

There is some irony that the game that introduced the concept of moral avatars, the game that based character creation on moral choices of players ends up like this. 

Quest for the Avatar is a search for the avatar of Mammon it would seem.

"One can either only serve one lord: god or the mammon." Translate god = whatever good you believe in. It is a shame of all the good games they had to abuse Ultima for this farce of a game.

I NEVER understood the lure of "mobile" gaming. Sorry, but I found all mobile games trash. *shrug*

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8/20/13 5:50:38 PM#25
Originally posted by Denambren

EA, thou hast lost an eighth!

Ponder this well, oh seeker!

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8/20/13 5:52:08 PM#26

Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Hellidol

Originally posted by Tibbz

overly greedy cash shop... could you expect any less from EA?  

cash shops altogether are very bad for players, I love what wildstar is doing, that is going to be my MMO for sure.


Give it six months, it'll be a cash shop game.. I'd put money on it that they already have it half built in place to take over when the game bleeds too many subs.

Not always. Depends on how much money they can make on their model. If they can do better than cash shop than actually they might not only stick with but others might copy that model too.


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8/20/13 5:59:17 PM#27

Ultima Forever and Plants vs. Zombies 2 have terrible cash shops.  I wish they just came out and offered a set price for the entire package, but I doubt anyone would pay it based on how much they want in their stores...  It is a shame since both games are pretty good, but eventually you are forced to grind or pay.  I have no issue paying, but not the prices they are asking, it is just too much for too little.


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8/20/13 6:00:26 PM#28
The author only pretended to play Ultima Forever, had he actually played it he would not call it an MMO. Its a 4 player game. 4 players is NOT A FUCKING MMO.

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8/20/13 6:03:55 PM#29

Originally posted by Scot

There is some irony that the game that introduced the concept of moral avatars, the game that based character creation on moral choices of players ends up like this. 

Quest for the Avatar is a search for the avatar of Mammon it would seem.

Maybe better stated as the MMO that introduced moral choices, because I believe a little known game called D&D made it popular in gaming. UI was just the the first MMO that offered it to the players in that genre.


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8/20/13 6:20:08 PM#30

There lies the problem,cash shops leave you with no answers,you really have no idea exactly how much the game will cost you to thoroughly enjoy as intended.

Cash shops work for ONE type of gamer ONLY and that is the type that has a limited budget or no budget at all.In other words those gamer's that there is no way no matter how hard a developer tries will get any more money from them.

Game hoppers have it best,they can pop in for a few weeks then pop out while never spending a dime.

I feel sorry for those that can spend because you usually get hooked for a little early on then lots more later.

The only score i think is too high is the Aesthetics.This game has nothing on an epic games IOS platform,not even close and i am not about to give even Epic games IOS anymore than a 7.5.You simply cannot rate aesthetics on what is acceptable,you have to understand how much the developer COULD have done.
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8/20/13 6:56:39 PM#31
Originally posted by Vinterkrig

Originally posted by Hellidol

Originally posted by Tibbz

overly greedy cash shop... could you expect any less from EA?  

cash shops altogether are very bad for players, I love what wildstar is doing, that is going to be my MMO for sure.


Give it six months, it'll be a cash shop game.. I'd put money on it that they already have it half built in place to take over when the game bleeds too many subs.

Ill take that bet, see you in 6 months after launch.


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8/20/13 7:48:32 PM#32

If I wanted to play the REAL deal, I would load up my Commodore 64 emulator and play Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar.(Which I still do from time to time!)

As a teenager in grade 10 at the time, I remember how Ultima IV on the C64 was the most incredible thing I have ever experienced on a computer, even today.

When I see how EA has destroyed the good name of the Ultima franchise, I could just puke.

BTW, Richard Garriott is creating his own online game called "Shadows of the Avatar" and it was funded entirely by donations on kickstarter.


EA = Corporate greed at it's worst. So no surprise there at least.



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8/20/13 8:02:36 PM#33
Originally posted by Wizardry

There lies the problem,cash shops leave you with no answers,you really have no idea exactly how much the game will cost you to thoroughly enjoy as intended.

That's true about any game that doesn't have a flat fee.  Most MMOs don't have flat fees.  Game hoppers happen no matter what.  New game comes out and people ditch that and try the new one, then ditch that and go back to the old one, but then they're not happy with the old so they hop to a new game.  Cash shops have nothing to do with that.


Like the poster above said, you can get Ultima IV for free from  The rest of the titles are selling for $6 each (some bundled).  They often go on sale for $2 or $3 each.  All of that is DRM free so if you back up your games you never have to pay for them again and can install them on all your systems.

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8/20/13 9:18:03 PM#34
Originally posted by uidCaustic
Still a Apple only thing eh?

Ya, I would like to see it out for Android myself. Someday!!! 

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8/20/13 9:34:07 PM#35
Originally posted by Denambren

EA, thou hast lost an eighth!




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8/20/13 9:36:27 PM#36
Originally posted by SBFord

Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar is a new game that brings back old-time gameplay for today's world. We've been playing it for the last few weeks and have lots to say about the game that you won't want to miss. Read on to see if you agree with our assessment and then head to the comments to offer up your thoughts.

Ultima Forever is the product of a long game of hide-and-seek between Origin and EA. Over a decade since they used the iconic license (and we aren't counting bad flash games) we have something of a canonical entry into the world of goblins, demigods, and pitchfork murders.

This iOS half-remake-half-reboot brings thumb swiping adventures back to Britannia and in the conspicuous service of "Lady" British: who says that complicated legal wrangling has to ruin your fantasy world eh? Under the service of the good "Lady" (Lord's daughter) you are tasked with saving the land and all with the aid of the classic series' eight virtues.

Read more of Adam Tingle's Ultima Forever: Enjoyable Game, Terrible Cash Shop.


But you can buy a ton for $99, and I'm sure we're all ready and willing to do that (note: there are cheaper groups of gold keys, but they're all relatively pricery). And herein lies the problem. With loot chests giving out the majority of equipment, growing your character past ill-suited gear is almost impossible without delving into major grind through repeatable dungeons. Unless you are willing to part with some green to pay for your burgeoning sword collection, advancing through Britannia is going to be a very slow and painful process. Your armor breaks constantly throughout the game, and repairs cost (you guessed it) silver keys that are slow to obtain for free, or purchasable again with real money.

This cash shop stops Ultima Forever: Quest for the Avatar from becoming a very worthwhile Britannia curio, and makes it into just another pay-to-play money sink. It's a shame, but greed really kills this game."

And people wonder why so many folks slam EA. " It's in the game alright, a cancerous clawing hand that pulls the cash from your wallet if you want a so called "RPG" experience."


For shame, EA, but thankfully I've had my time in Dark Age of Camelot, so I am more than aware of what destruction on something priceless you are able to wreak. 

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8/20/13 10:48:46 PM#37

I've been playing it for about a week now. Not too bad. Haven't felt the need to use the cash shop so far.

Good for passing time on the way to work on the train.


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8/21/13 12:45:34 AM#38
Soon as I saw "Publisher Electronic Arts" I didn't bother reading any further. There was no need to.

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8/21/13 12:54:46 AM#39

What did you expect from EA they are adding cash shops to mostly single player games as well as games that shouldn't have a cash shop at all.

Best examples the purchase everything packs for BF3 and then the cash shop in Dead Space 3.


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8/21/13 1:29:45 AM#40
Only playing subs games. £9.99 a month for 100% access seems fine to me.  FTP  is always going to have to give more than just vanity items. Not many players will pay for vanity items month after month and their are only so many " increased inventory" slots you need. At hat point the FTP producers seem to have decided that not only do the need to go p2w , but also have prices that make standard subs models seem very cheap in comparison. Even gw2 is edging more and more towards p2w and that's the only f2p game that was designed from the ground up as f2p out there.
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