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  Gorilla

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8/21/13 8:48:00 AM#21
Originally posted by moguy2

Ive said it before and I will say it again...Get a job folks....Pay the 15 bucks ,... If you dont like it just ...well( wait for it ) unsubscribe. I konw right. Whod a thunk it.

 

The people thumping the free to play bible need to jump into the main stream work force . I will need your social security donations in 20 years.

Retired years ago. Masses of disposable income. Stiil all completely un correlated to what represents 'good value' or a 'fair price'. Still on the bright side, if the game is any good I can play all day everyday (or as much as I like anyway) and probably earn enough CRED to escape a subscription. I guess unemployed people will be able to do so also. While you are busy being a wage slave we'll all be having fun for free.... win win. I suggest you jump back out of the main stream work force to free up the most valuable commodity know to man....time.

  adidassnofkle

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Joined: 8/21/13
Posts: 39

8/21/13 1:09:07 PM#22
Don't forget PvP, specifically the Warplots. The CreDD system can have an enormous effect on such a system, as upgrades to your castle are purchased via gold.
  Masa1

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8/21/13 1:10:29 PM#23
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.
  adidassnofkle

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8/21/13 1:15:04 PM#24
Originally posted by Masa1
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.

 

It isn't P2W. It merely has the possibility of being P2W. Nothing is certain other than Box Sale + sub, which is just the standard P2P model actually. It can be B2P, but only if you want to farm your ass off making gold to pay your monthly sub fee. Which imo isn't true B2P. P2P Potentially B2P Potentially P2W (However, the devs say they hate to P2W, and this would really kill their game, so I have a hunch the AH won't be significant source of good gear.)
  Dornin34

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Joined: 8/13/13
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8/21/13 1:15:57 PM#25
Originally posted by moguy2

Ive said it before and I will say it again...Get a job folks....Pay the 15 bucks ,... If you dont like it just ...well( wait for it ) unsubscribe. I konw right. Whod a thunk it.

 

The people thumping the free to play bible need to jump into the main stream work force . I will need your social security donations in 20 years.

Yeah buddy, you go pay them sub fees and make ncsoft their money back. I'll check out the game 6-9 months after it's released when they go F2P like every other game. I like how people think F2P games are full of freeloaders too. Some people spend thousands on those games and could probably buy and sell your ass 100 times over.

Don't think that credd stuff is the only thing they are going to have in that cash shop either suckers. 

  adidassnofkle

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Joined: 8/21/13
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8/21/13 1:31:48 PM#26
Originally posted by Dornin34
Originally posted by moguy2

Ive said it before and I will say it again...Get a job folks....Pay the 15 bucks ,... If you dont like it just ...well( wait for it ) unsubscribe. I konw right. Whod a thunk it.

 

The people thumping the free to play bible need to jump into the main stream work force . I will need your social security donations in 20 years.

Yeah buddy, you go pay them sub fees and make ncsoft their money back. I'll check out the game 6-9 months after it's released when they go F2P like every other game. I like how people think F2P games are full of freeloaders too. Some people spend thousands on those games and could probably buy and sell your ass 100 times over.

Don't think that credd stuff is the only thing they are going to have in that cash shop either suckers. 

 

Assuming you are right, which you aren't. Isn't paying extra for the game when it is alive and bustling alone worth the additional cost? Or are you just some MMO hopper that plays only by himself.

There are no cash shop atm, and they are leaning towards not implementing one.

Also, how are we suckers? I bet I could find countless things you spend money on that could be construed as wasteful. Does that make you a sucker too?
  Masa1

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Joined: 11/12/04
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8/21/13 1:40:32 PM#27
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.

 

It isn't P2W. It merely has the possibility of being P2W. Nothing is certain other than Box Sale + sub, which is just the standard P2P model actually. It can be B2P, but only if you want to farm your ass off making gold to pay your monthly sub fee. Which imo isn't true B2P. P2P Potentially B2P Potentially P2W (However, the devs say they hate to P2W, and this would really kill their game, so I have a hunch the AH won't be significant source of good gear.)

Wow.. you don't really seem to get it. It's NOT P2W only IF they disable all trading done with in game gold.

 

To simplify it, let's say that boss XXX drops super rare ownage weapon but only rarely. Let's say that the chance to get it per kill is 0,01%. Lucky player AAA got it, but would rather play the game for free than pay that goddamn expensive sub every month.

 

Suddenly a filthy rich player BBB appears and buys 100x CREDDs with his dollar wallet. He then sells them in market.. and people WILL buy them because there are plenty of people who really want to keep playing and can't afford sub price or just want to avoid spending real cash on games.

 

Now the filthy rich player BBB has tons of in game currency, he buys the super ownage rare weapon from player AAA. Both of them benefit.. AAA can afford years of free play time and can still buy some weaker equips while BBB now has the best weapon in the game.

 

BBB then owns everyone in PvP thanks to his weapon. End of story. He literally PAID TO WIN.

  adidassnofkle

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Joined: 8/21/13
Posts: 39

8/21/13 2:46:40 PM#28
Originally posted by Masa1
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.

 

It isn't P2W. It merely has the possibility of being P2W. Nothing is certain other than Box Sale + sub, which is just the standard P2P model actually. It can be B2P, but only if you want to farm your ass off making gold to pay your monthly sub fee. Which imo isn't true B2P. P2P Potentially B2P Potentially P2W (However, the devs say they hate to P2W, and this would really kill their game, so I have a hunch the AH won't be significant source of good gear.)

Wow.. you don't really seem to get it. It's NOT P2W only IF they disable all trading done with in game gold.

 

To simplify it, let's say that boss XXX drops super rare ownage weapon but only rarely. Let's say that the chance to get it per kill is 0,01%. Lucky player AAA got it, but would rather play the game for free than pay that goddamn expensive sub every month.

 

Suddenly a filthy rich player BBB appears and buys 100x CREDDs with his dollar wallet. He then sells them in market.. and people WILL buy them because there are plenty of people who really want to keep playing and can't afford sub price or just want to avoid spending real cash on games.

 

Now the filthy rich player BBB has tons of in game currency, he buys the super ownage rare weapon from player AAA. Both of them benefit.. AAA can afford years of free play time and can still buy some weaker equips while BBB now has the best weapon in the game.

 

BBB then owns everyone in PvP thanks to his weapon. End of story. He literally PAID TO WIN.

 

Yes, end of a bad story. The problem is you haven't proven that the boss drops said uber item, that you can then sell for gold. The game is p2w to an extent, but we don't know what that extent is. It could be meaningless, or it could dominate the game.
  Realbigdeal

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Joined: 9/28/08
Posts: 1646

8/21/13 3:01:51 PM#29

I heard about this game from ppl who thought it would be free or buy 1 time and that's it.

With this new model, i can't predict the feature, but i know that all my friends won't play i coz we already got something else in mind.

Note that we're not poor gamers who look only for free games, but i just don't yet believe that wildstar will be good enough for being a subscription based game.

When i head things like 40 man raids, instances, it makes me wonder what players are gonna do for the end game. Waiting for the next expansion like the usual?

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  Masa1

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Joined: 11/12/04
Posts: 322

8/21/13 3:03:19 PM#30
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.

 

It isn't P2W. It merely has the possibility of being P2W. Nothing is certain other than Box Sale + sub, which is just the standard P2P model actually. It can be B2P, but only if you want to farm your ass off making gold to pay your monthly sub fee. Which imo isn't true B2P. P2P Potentially B2P Potentially P2W (However, the devs say they hate to P2W, and this would really kill their game, so I have a hunch the AH won't be significant source of good gear.)

Wow.. you don't really seem to get it. It's NOT P2W only IF they disable all trading done with in game gold.

 

To simplify it, let's say that boss XXX drops super rare ownage weapon but only rarely. Let's say that the chance to get it per kill is 0,01%. Lucky player AAA got it, but would rather play the game for free than pay that goddamn expensive sub every month.

 

Suddenly a filthy rich player BBB appears and buys 100x CREDDs with his dollar wallet. He then sells them in market.. and people WILL buy them because there are plenty of people who really want to keep playing and can't afford sub price or just want to avoid spending real cash on games.

 

Now the filthy rich player BBB has tons of in game currency, he buys the super ownage rare weapon from player AAA. Both of them benefit.. AAA can afford years of free play time and can still buy some weaker equips while BBB now has the best weapon in the game.

 

BBB then owns everyone in PvP thanks to his weapon. End of story. He literally PAID TO WIN.

 

Yes, end of a bad story. The problem is you haven't proven that the boss drops said uber item, that you can then sell for gold. The game is p2w to an extent, but we don't know what that extent is. It could be meaningless, or it could dominate the game.

I don't have to prove it. I only have to prove that one item is better than another and you can trade that said item. Doesn't matter how much better > It's PAY TO WIN.

 

Does it really matter how "pay to win" it is? If we pick the worst max level equip set and compare it with the best possible set the total difference is probably around 10-50%. Even 10% makes difference.

 

Besides with in game gold you can probably purchase almost anything available in the game.

Want to be the best builder? Trade CREDDs for in game gold and trade in game gold for best materials.

Want to be the best figher? Buy the best equipment set with real money.

Want to be the best at whatever? Just buy things to help you, with real money ;)

  adidassnofkle

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Joined: 8/21/13
Posts: 39

8/21/13 3:10:48 PM#31
Originally posted by Masa1
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.

 

It isn't P2W. It merely has the possibility of being P2W. Nothing is certain other than Box Sale + sub, which is just the standard P2P model actually. It can be B2P, but only if you want to farm your ass off making gold to pay your monthly sub fee. Which imo isn't true B2P. P2P Potentially B2P Potentially P2W (However, the devs say they hate to P2W, and this would really kill their game, so I have a hunch the AH won't be significant source of good gear.)

Wow.. you don't really seem to get it. It's NOT P2W only IF they disable all trading done with in game gold.

 

To simplify it, let's say that boss XXX drops super rare ownage weapon but only rarely. Let's say that the chance to get it per kill is 0,01%. Lucky player AAA got it, but would rather play the game for free than pay that goddamn expensive sub every month.

 

Suddenly a filthy rich player BBB appears and buys 100x CREDDs with his dollar wallet. He then sells them in market.. and people WILL buy them because there are plenty of people who really want to keep playing and can't afford sub price or just want to avoid spending real cash on games.

 

Now the filthy rich player BBB has tons of in game currency, he buys the super ownage rare weapon from player AAA. Both of them benefit.. AAA can afford years of free play time and can still buy some weaker equips while BBB now has the best weapon in the game.

 

BBB then owns everyone in PvP thanks to his weapon. End of story. He literally PAID TO WIN.

 

Yes, end of a bad story. The problem is you haven't proven that the boss drops said uber item, that you can then sell for gold. The game is p2w to an extent, but we don't know what that extent is. It could be meaningless, or it could dominate the game.

I don't have to prove it. I only have to prove that one item is better than another and you can trade that said item. Doesn't matter how much better > It's PAY TO WIN. Does it really matter how "pay to win" it is? If we pick the worst item and the game (probably lvl 1 one) and the best item in the game the diff is probably 100x.

 

Yet, you can't prove "that one item is better than another and you can trade that said item", so WTF are you talking about?

I said it is P2W! Yes, it matters, because just about every MMO is P2W.

Goldseller > AH> Items.

The question is how good those items are.

You are practically assuming worst case scenario.
  Masa1

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Joined: 11/12/04
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8/21/13 3:13:40 PM#32
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
Originally posted by Masa1
So this game is b2p AND p2p AND p2w. They really must want to milk their customers. What a load of c***.

 

It isn't P2W. It merely has the possibility of being P2W. Nothing is certain other than Box Sale + sub, which is just the standard P2P model actually. It can be B2P, but only if you want to farm your ass off making gold to pay your monthly sub fee. Which imo isn't true B2P. P2P Potentially B2P Potentially P2W (However, the devs say they hate to P2W, and this would really kill their game, so I have a hunch the AH won't be significant source of good gear.)

Wow.. you don't really seem to get it. It's NOT P2W only IF they disable all trading done with in game gold.

 

To simplify it, let's say that boss XXX drops super rare ownage weapon but only rarely. Let's say that the chance to get it per kill is 0,01%. Lucky player AAA got it, but would rather play the game for free than pay that goddamn expensive sub every month.

 

Suddenly a filthy rich player BBB appears and buys 100x CREDDs with his dollar wallet. He then sells them in market.. and people WILL buy them because there are plenty of people who really want to keep playing and can't afford sub price or just want to avoid spending real cash on games.

 

Now the filthy rich player BBB has tons of in game currency, he buys the super ownage rare weapon from player AAA. Both of them benefit.. AAA can afford years of free play time and can still buy some weaker equips while BBB now has the best weapon in the game.

 

BBB then owns everyone in PvP thanks to his weapon. End of story. He literally PAID TO WIN.

 

Yes, end of a bad story. The problem is you haven't proven that the boss drops said uber item, that you can then sell for gold. The game is p2w to an extent, but we don't know what that extent is. It could be meaningless, or it could dominate the game.

I don't have to prove it. I only have to prove that one item is better than another and you can trade that said item. Doesn't matter how much better > It's PAY TO WIN. Does it really matter how "pay to win" it is? If we pick the worst item and the game (probably lvl 1 one) and the best item in the game the diff is probably 100x.

 

Yet, you can't prove "that one item is better than another and you can trade that said item", so WTF are you talking about?

I don't have to prove it, it should be pretty obvious that Wildstar has items which are better than other items. > PAY TO WIN

 

Not every MMO is P2W at least not legally. I admit that there are gold sellers in said games but there's a huge risk for players at dealing with them discouraging their usage. Wildstart is NOT EVEN TRYING. They just throw in their own real money > game money system in which is going to be extremely popular.

  adidassnofkle

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8/21/13 3:16:10 PM#33
P2W = Items for Cash

That is it! There is no point in making the definition anymore complex.

I said it is P2W! But P2W, like all things in life is not black and white. Just about every MMO is P2W, even if it is via 3rd party gold seller sites. The extent that it is P2W is what is important.

Goldseller > AH> Items.

The question is how good those items are.

You are practically assuming worst case scenario without proof, even when the worst case scenario is the least likely.

Chances are the game will be no more P2W, than WoW.

  Masa1

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8/21/13 3:23:44 PM#34
Originally posted by adidassnofkle
P2W = Items for Cash

 

That is it! There is no point in making the definition anymore complex.

 

 

 

I said it is P2W! But P2W, like all things in life is not black and white. Just about every MMO is P2W, even if it is via 3rd party gold seller sites. The extent that it is P2W is what is important.

 

Goldseller > AH> Items.

 

The question is how good those items are.

 

You are practically assuming worst case scenario without proof.

P2W alone is fine with me.

 

P2W in B2P game is worse but I can still deal with it.

 

P2W in B2P AND P2P is definitely crossing the line. It doesn't matter how much advantage you can get. Even if it's 1% I don't accept it.

  adidassnofkle

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8/21/13 4:02:27 PM#35
Even WoW has P2W to some extent.

How about buying gold from gold farmers, then buying a inscription trinket early into an expac.

How about buying gold from gold farmers, then used it to buy a near BiS item from the Black market AH.

This isn't recent either. It always has, even in Vanilla.

What do you think used to keep a lot of hardcore raiders raiding back in the day? Sure as hell wasn't fairy dust. It was Gold they bought from farmers, which they used to buy their necessary consumables. Did everyone do it? No, but I know A LOT of people did. An officer in our guild used to recommend trusted sources for purchases to many of our guild members. Most people farmed gold legitimately, but for many it was nearly impossible given time/spec restraints.

  indojabijin

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8/21/13 9:06:01 PM#36

There are a variety of ways that carbine can prevent pay to win. Obviously the first is the actual conversion of gold with credd. If they do it in the way that guild wars does it where it is them directly who control the market and not the players that's okay. Another thing is that most end gear and pvp gear will be obtained in ways that do not require gold. Not to mention majority of the time end game gear is bound to the account or character. Not to mention other currency in place (such as raid tokens ala rift or pvp currency). If they do 2 of the above than that would mean that gold would only be used for leveling, crafting mats, and possibly enchantments. It won't affect endgame because gear for endgame would obtained in other ways. 

In wow gold is useless at endgame. In GW2 gold is also useless because the items you want require dungeons or world completion etc. But in gw2 they have a cash shop and events that tie into the cash shop. As of this moment wild star won't have a cash shop so we don't have to worry about that (for now).  

Now of course you can say that giving any amount of currency is p2w because now people leveling have an advantage. This would happen anyways because once people max out they start funding alts and twink. But now there's another side to the coin. People can now buy game time. 

But of course, is this all hypothetically speaking. The system can work if carbine is smart enough about itemizing and how end game gear works. But if they follow the wow route in terms of gold and endgame gear with the credd system it can work. 

  Rinna

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8/21/13 9:11:10 PM#37
Originally posted by Gorilla
Originally posted by moguy2

Ive said it before and I will say it again...Get a job folks....Pay the 15 bucks ,... If you dont like it just ...well( wait for it ) unsubscribe. I konw right. Whod a thunk it.

 

The people thumping the free to play bible need to jump into the main stream work force . I will need your social security donations in 20 years.

Retired years ago. Masses of disposable income. Stiil all completely un correlated to what represents 'good value' or a 'fair price'. Still on the bright side, if the game is any good I can play all day everyday (or as much as I like anyway) and probably earn enough CRED to escape a subscription. I guess unemployed people will be able to do so also. While you are busy being a wage slave we'll all be having fun for free.... win win. I suggest you jump back out of the main stream work force to free up the most valuable commodity know to man....time.

^^  I'm for subs, but I like this post.  Well said Gorilla :)  

No bitchers.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

8/21/13 9:14:05 PM#38
Originally posted by jesusjuice69

 

Cash > CREDD > Gold > AH > Epic Items

This is P2W!

 

unless epic items are soulbound.
 
DUM DUM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

  jesusjuice69

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OP  8/22/13 2:09:00 PM#39
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by jesusjuice69

 

Cash > CREDD > Gold > AH > Epic Items

This is P2W!

 

unless epic items are soulbound.
 
DUM DUM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

There will obviously be epic items that aren't soulbound.

  Robokapp

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The only luck I had today was to have you as my opponent.

8/22/13 2:25:35 PM#40
Originally posted by jesusjuice69
Originally posted by Robokapp
Originally posted by jesusjuice69

 

Cash > CREDD > Gold > AH > Epic Items

This is P2W!

 

unless epic items are soulbound.
 
DUM DUM DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUM

There will obviously be epic items that aren't soulbound.

There obviously won't be any.

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