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  Icewhite

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8/31/13 8:00:09 AM#21

I am sure the FF fans were desperately seeking your approval.

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  Kyleran

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8/31/13 8:05:29 AM#22
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Iselin.

 


And I agree, this is nothing like Tera with respect to the pedo factor: this kiddie race is not sexualized like theirs is...now THAT, was creepy.

 

I think you've just hit the nail on the head, and it sort of is the response that you have a anime phobia.  Fact is, you do. 

What makes anime "weird" to many of us is that it depicts younger, say teenage and even earlier beings basically participating in activities associated with adults. (just like those teenage vampire books and movies, ugh)

Violence, sex, mature themes in general are normally restricted in western fantasy to more adult characters and it has nothing to do with character size.

Sure, Dwarves, Hobbits, Gnomes etc are all smaller in stature, but in most literature including fantasy games, it's the adult characters that are the focus, they just don't send out children to do the dirty work.

Also, for those of us who's avatars are more of representation of ourselves (or what we'd like ourselves to be) somehow I think few adults can relate to a teenage or child like character.  Face it, those are not great years in anyone's life, and it certainly isn't the time when most of us had to deal with the adult issues (unless we came from some sort of disfunctional family or social situation) on a regular basis.

So it's really not a phobia, its just not something that you can relate to.  It also explains why some younger folks like anime in their teens, but then seem to migrate away once they get into their 20's, once again, they stop visualizing themselves in their teen years.

In some ways its sort of like wearing your baseball cap on backwards, there comes an age when you should just stop doing it, you just look silly at that point, and no longer cool.

But then again, many folks feel the same way about gaming in general, so who really cares?

At the end of the day, you either like anime style art and games or you don't, and fortunately there's plenty of games to go around.

 

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  AlBQuirky

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8/31/13 8:18:43 AM#23


Originally posted by Iselin
I've grown up playing RPGs and reading a lot of good Western fantasy fiction. My son, OTOH, grew up with Nintendo playing Link and FF...these over-the-top and often nonsensical characters and stories seem normal to him and he enjoys them. They just seem like over-the-top farces to me...shrug.

I tried the game anyway this past weekend once I found out all you had to do was create an account and DL the client without committing to pre-order. Other than some inexplicable random crashes to the desktop, it looks polished and well-done.

I found a well-crafted game with a lot of depth... and an annoying little child race who look even more ridiculous when they appear in a gray-haired and bearded version. I know...it's fantasy and somehow I can tolerate orcs, goblins, vampires, zombies etc... there is just something about this particular brand of fantasy that seems just alien and laughable to me... it ruins my immersion.

Those of you who are more accustomed to this type of fantasy world and enjoy it...have fun, it looks like a good game for you...just not for me.



I find myself agreeing here, though you may not like it :)

And those saying it is "Anime Phobia", I can say that I like Anime. Some of it. Dragonball Z and Naruto do not trip my trigger, but give me Cowboy Bebop, Ghost In The Shell, Read or Die, or Full Metal Alchemist and I can watch for hours. Anime is not Anime is not Anime. There are as many different kinds as there are creators of it.

FFXIV:ARR is just too cutesy for my suspension of disbelief. I enjoyed what I played of it, but just could not "get into" it like many of the FF fans are doing. The systems and world are great. It is a very good fantasy world, just not one I want to spend time in. The art style is just too much for me.

If Hello Kitty Online had the gamplay and systems of FFXIV:ARR, would you play it? (I am NOT saying FFXIV:ARR is Hello Kitty-ish in art form, just taking an extreme to illustrate my point.)

- Al

Personally the only modern MMORPG trend that annoys me is the idea that MMOs need to be designed in a way to attract people who don't actually like MMOs. Which to me makes about as much sense as someone trying to figure out a way to get vegetarians to eat at their steakhouse.
- FARGIN_WAR

  Myria

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8/31/13 8:25:37 AM#24
Originally posted by Icewhite

I am sure the FF fans were desperately seeking your approval.

Bizarrely enough, it would appear that is exactly the case.

  User Deleted
8/31/13 9:01:29 AM#25
I'm an old fart myself, but strong Frank Frazetta vibe from the visuals gave this old one a wide smile. :)
  whisperwynd

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Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

8/31/13 9:33:57 AM#26
Originally posted by Iselin

 

But maybe "old" was the wrong thing to highlight... I need a story... that makes sense to me... I've always had a hard time relating to FF stories. They're just too out there for my taste. I tried, I really did, when my son was playing them. I was happy that he was enjoying RPGs same as me... heck, it led to him getting a degree in Computer Science and working as games programmer... but the FF storylines seemed so odd to me compared to all the Feist, Brooks, Weise and Hickman, Martin, Jordan, Goodkind, etc, fantasy I enjoy... and different from Baldur's Gate, Dragon Age, The Witcher, Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot... I could go on. I see them sort of like contrived attempts... same reason I prefer vampires to Godzila I guess.

My tolerance for weirdness (despite also loving SciFi...including Dr. Who lol) is a bit on the low side I guess.

My "old" comment was more along the lines that if you grew-up with that and enjoyed all the FF games on consoles, you probably have a totally different perspective on what stories you're willing to suspend disbelief for... I have narrower limits :)

But I actually also meant that if you can stomach the story and the kiddie race, more power to you... it does look like a good MMO once you get past that.

And I agree, this is nothing like Tera with respect to the pedo factor: this kiddie race is not sexualized like theirs is...now THAT, was creepy.

 

I also read the stuff from those authors, though I feel both Terry's and Robert failed to wrap up their stories properly. Brooks had a great first trilogy (sword, elfstone and wishsong) but the rest became redundant to me. Wheel of time and the sword of truth series became rather lame the further it went. Great start but became convoluted and non-sensical after mid point (both series). I prefer Gemmel myself for the stand alone stories. The heroes may return but not in one long, continuous story arc.

As for FF or any of those weird things you may dislike, that's only normal. We like what we like, nothing wrong with that. I loved vampires until Twilight but it still became hugely successful. 

  cura

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8/31/13 10:02:17 AM#27
Originally posted by Guitarbry
So OP your going to miss out on a great mmorpg just because you don't like little people. Your loss I guess, I'm not that shallow, I don't like them either but I just rolled something I did like.

You call OP shallow yet you take pleasure playing this simple grinder, one of the shallowest games i ever played. Nice hehe.

To OP. I tried to play several FF games but almost everything felt wrong: moodless music, ridiculous creatures, characters that often behave like emo teenagers etc...  Its not the age thing. There are many FF fans but there are also much more people who dont like it. 

  Icewhite

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8/31/13 10:47:33 AM#28
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by Icewhite

I am sure the FF fans were desperately seeking your approval.

Bizarrely enough, it would appear that is exactly the case.

Did they petition the op to please come review their sub-genre?

I must've missed that thread.

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  Husvik

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Having fun who cares.

8/31/13 11:11:06 AM#29

I'm not saying this is the case here but when people stat that "their kid(s) like it" is that to imply we like a simple kids game?, we are children because we like something a kid likes?, we must be low IQ folk because we like something kids like? we are not adults and we are immature simpletons because we like something kids like?

 

If so i better stop watching the NFL(football), Hockey, Discovery Channel and similar shows, because my kids not only like it they love it, oh and i imagine i better stop reading novels too.

 

Just saying.

  Iselin

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OP  8/31/13 1:57:34 PM#30
Originally posted by Icewhite
Originally posted by Myria
Originally posted by Icewhite

I am sure the FF fans were desperately seeking your approval.

Bizarrely enough, it would appear that is exactly the case.

Did they petition the op to please come review their sub-genre?

I must've missed that thread.

Hmm... didn't realize opinions had to be solicited here. Opinions about opinions certainly don't seem to need that...

I don't remember you ever having had an original unsolicited opinion for us to scrutinize. Are you waiting for an invite?

  Theocritus

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8/31/13 2:07:05 PM#31
Final Fantasy games always seem to have bizzarre characters and races......Some people really relate to them well and others despise them......
  timeraider

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8/31/13 2:09:18 PM#32
Originally posted by Theocritus
Final Fantasy games always seem to have bizzarre characters and races......Some people really relate to them well and others despise them......

Love the Miqote :D yeey for furry tails!

  Iselin

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OP  8/31/13 2:11:17 PM#33
Originally posted by Kyleran
Originally posted by Iselin
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Iselin.

 


And I agree, this is nothing like Tera with respect to the pedo factor: this kiddie race is not sexualized like theirs is...now THAT, was creepy.

 

I think you've just hit the nail on the head, and it sort of is the response that you have a anime phobia.  Fact is, you do. 

What makes anime "weird" to many of us is that it depicts younger, say teenage and even earlier beings basically participating in activities associated with adults. (just like those teenage vampire books and movies, ugh)

Violence, sex, mature themes in general are normally restricted in western fantasy to more adult characters and it has nothing to do with character size.

Sure, Dwarves, Hobbits, Gnomes etc are all smaller in stature, but in most literature including fantasy games, it's the adult characters that are the focus, they just don't send out children to do the dirty work.

Also, for those of us who's avatars are more of representation of ourselves (or what we'd like ourselves to be) somehow I think few adults can relate to a teenage or child like character.  Face it, those are not great years in anyone's life, and it certainly isn't the time when most of us had to deal with the adult issues (unless we came from some sort of disfunctional family or social situation) on a regular basis.

So it's really not a phobia, its just not something that you can relate to.  It also explains why some younger folks like anime in their teens, but then seem to migrate away once they get into their 20's, once again, they stop visualizing themselves in their teen years.

In some ways its sort of like wearing your baseball cap on backwards, there comes an age when you should just stop doing it, you just look silly at that point, and no longer cool.

But then again, many folks feel the same way about gaming in general, so who really cares?

At the end of the day, you either like anime style art and games or you don't, and fortunately there's plenty of games to go around.

 

That's a well thought out and interesting point...there may be something to what you say.  

 

But for me it goes beyond the art. There are other elements that seem popular in eastern RPGs that don't help me, for lack of a better word, immerse: the fixation on mob gigantism, the anthropomorphization of inanimate objects or vegetables, the gratuitous extra zeros added to combat numbers. Not all, and some of those concepts have been incorporated into some western RPGs as well... "over the top" is the best phrase to describe how I see them... shrug.

  Iselin

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OP  8/31/13 2:14:45 PM#34
Originally posted by Theocritus
Final Fantasy games always seem to have bizzarre characters and races......Some people really relate to them well and others despise them......

Yeah. I do suffer from verbal diarrhea... maybe that's all I should have said about it instead of trying to analyze it... it sums it up neatly.

  ignore_me

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8/31/13 2:19:27 PM#35
Originally posted by Juaks

I hate gnomes and it didn't stop me playing WoW for years.

It seems to me OP has anime phobia. Does not have to do with age at all. It's all about tastes. I am 39 and love anime and eastern art style.  Games like FF and TERA are very pleasant to my eyes.

 

 

Anime Phobia = raised in the Western World where the culture pushes adults to adult tastes. Big eyes, bright colors, little bodies is a visual recipe for child-appealing content. If you like it that's fine, but there are reasons why others do not like it.

 

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  Distopia

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8/31/13 2:23:36 PM#36

I'm right there with ya OP, the game-play and systems are good in the game, some of the visuals are great, but where it falls flat for me is the whimsical cuteness.

Definitely not a case of Anime-phobia for me, I like a lot of anime, just not the type that features this type of look.

Death-Note, Akira, Ghost in the shell, Blood: The last Vampire, Demon city Shinjuku, Ninja Scroll and it's spin offs, Vampire Hunter D, The highlander Anime Movie, etc, huge fan of these movies/shows.

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  Four0Six

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8/31/13 2:28:19 PM#37

Ageism is just as reproachable than any of the other isms.

Lucky for you your advanced age allowed you to not be a fool an pre-purchase.

Unlucky for you to be bound to societal memes and tropes.

  lordtwisted

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8/31/13 2:49:34 PM#38
Originally posted by SeriphinX

I'll be honest, I thought I would really hate this MMO.  

I guess I'm getting older (36)..but as of late, and after playing grittier RPGS like Skyrim, I had grown a distaste for Square's FF art style.  Lately, for the regular FF series, it has been the same old playbook; emo-depressed facial expressions on the main characters, male or female, male characters that are too feminine, as if the inspiration for them was a Poison album cover from 1987.  My favorite FF obviously was FFVII...after that they really seemed to jump the shark a lot on their character designs.  

So all that said, I thought I would hate FFXIV.

But I don't.  And the one thing that saves for me are the classes/jobs and the fact that there are roles in this game.  I can't stand mmos where all classes are completely balanced..i.e. all can heal/dps/tank/solo.  To me, that's what made making alts in EQ1 and FFXI so fun.

As it stands, art aside, I am enjoying the game, I actually played beta back and forth on PC and PS3 and I really liked using the PS3 controller.

I did pre-order to get EA for both PS3 and PC.  This will occupy my mmo fix for a while.  

 

My 2 gil anyway.

 

Majority of the people on this site had to go Google Poison album art in order to understand. 

 

 I am a few years older than you and I laughed at the comment. 

 

 I grew up playing RPG's and love them, I can fit myself in somewhere as some role no matter the style of game, but I am finding that harder to do these days.  Mostly because most of the games have become too shallow and only hold my attention for a short while. 

 The key to the whole thing is that it is ROLE PLAYING, it's not building a small copy of yourself and sending it out to battle ladybugs. 

 You are building a fantasy character, and sending it forth to become a hero. Build a giant dude that finds the fragility of life is sad and decides to be a healer.

 Or one of those little guys that decides being small and picked on all of his life he is going to become a pugulist and beat things up.

 Be creative, play a role, take the choices they give you and create a story. 

 

 

Not so nice guy!

  Terranah

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8/31/13 3:04:53 PM#39

Maybe there are kids playing and they want to play a child like character.  Why force a kid to play a grown up character if they aren't grown up?

 

Some people like to role play to escape reality for awhile using something we used to refer to in the old days as imagination.

 

Do all avatars have to have big bulging muscles or giant breasts and little waists?

 

 

  Reklaw

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The adult I am takes care of most things real life. However my inner-child is a GAMER!!

8/31/13 3:10:13 PM#40
Originally posted by Iselin

I've grown up playing RPGs and reading a lot of good Western fantasy fiction. My son, OTOH, grew up with Nintendo playing Link and FF...these over-the-top and often nonsensical characters and stories seem normal to him and he enjoys them. They just seem like over-the-top farces to me...shrug.

 

I tried the game anyway this past weekend once I found out all you had to do was create an account and DL the client without committing to pre-order. Other than some inexplicable random crashes to the desktop, it looks polished and well-done.

 

I found a well-crafted game with a lot of depth... and an annoying little child race who look even more ridiculous when they appear in a gray-haired and bearded version. I know...it's fantasy and somehow I can tolerate orcs, goblins, vampires, zombies etc... there is just something about this particular brand of fantasy that seems just alien and laughable to me... it ruins my immersion.

 

Those of you who are more accustomed to this type of fantasy world and enjoy it...have fun, it looks like a good game for you...just not for me.

 In real life you are able to filter out things you might dislike or don't want to see, same with games really.

Just enjoy that what you enjoy but keep in mind you are not the only person playing in a MMO world.

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