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  Aroukos

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8/19/13 9:54:33 AM#81
no more p2p for me. too many descent games already in the market as f2p/b2p, plus future titles like eq next, archeage etc as either f2p/b2p. so no, no more p2p for me
  Banzaichigau

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8/19/13 9:56:16 AM#82
Originally posted by doug200463
Your gonna run out and pay 60 bux for a game you do not own, and in 6 months to a year, they will give away what you paid 60 bux for... cuse its happend over and over and over.. and people keep falling for it , there are more people who prefer f2p/b2p than there is people who enjoy a sub...

That''s like your opinion, you know. F2P / B2P with cash shops can give the devs a lot of fast money in the first months, but many people seem to get bored quite fast of the unfairness most of these "freemium" games have to offer.

 

Last "F2P" game I tried was Neverwinter, had great expectations for it but it sucked. Everything was P2W, even the mounts, which made PvP heavily unbalanced and full of whining people the whole time. The only good thing it was the leveling experience, which I enjoyed, then got to lvl cap and the market was dominated by people paying real money. No thanks, very very bad model IMO.

 

It becomes a nuisance when lots of basic stuff are P2W in a MMO: bag space, decent fast mounts, even the coin used in the auction house, etc. I know there're a few half decent F2P and B2P games but almost none of them have fully cosmetic or non P2W cash shops, which is a real shame and a huge lost of potentially interested players, in the long run.

 
  doug200463

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8/19/13 9:57:02 AM#83
Originally posted by Ozmodan
Originally posted by doug200463

I have to agree with Vorch, subscription games are obsolete.. idc if you can grind and buy time with in game gold.. still have to pay a sub... time/money.. Ill stick with my f2p/b2p games... too many good games out there that dont require a sub, to mess with one that has a sub.. plain and simple.

 

Tell that to Turbine and EA, their games still thrive on subs, sure the dabblers still play free, but those that enjoy the game sub and that includes a lot of the everyday population.

I think this is a good move, it tells the world this is no fleeting f2p game we are playing with the big boys.  I really dislike item shops and the constant need to purchase from them.

For all the hoopla about the b2p model in GW, the game still almost requires purchases in the item shop to really enjoy it, hence it really is not b2p at all, just another f2p game that requires an initial investment. 

 

uhmm.. Turbines games do not survive on subs.. Turbine has made it clear, that they make more money on the people who come in and play a few months spend a few dollars and leave.. are you blind, they said that there revenue increased exponentially when they went free to play...

  IceAge

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8/19/13 9:58:50 AM#84
Originally posted by djice
So much for trying out Wildstar, if only they would learn from the rest of the MMO world.  Subs are dead even WOW is starting to look to the cash shop for money and soon will most likely go f2p as well.  Not everyone can afford to pay a sub and do not have the time that will be required to grind enough in game currency to buy it from others.

Wow is very old, and they will not let off the P2P business. They will be having P2P and cash shop. I mean, who in the hell is so mind fucked up, to give up on 3 millions subs in the west in this day and age period, just to lottery with the F2P?

About WS P2P. Well, I can't afford a X5 BMW. So what now? Of course not everyone can afford things in life. Get used with...

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  timtrack

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8/19/13 10:01:26 AM#85
Originally posted by indr143

very bad....ppl who cant spend monthly feees cant  play it..or ppl like me who have the cash but cant pay online ...cant play it.........very bad.....

 

1. Yes you can, since other players can sell a subscription to you for in-game currency.

2. Are you actually complaining about not being able to play a MMORPG without an internet connection?

  doug200463

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8/19/13 10:01:36 AM#86
Originally posted by Banzaichigau
Originally posted by doug200463
Your gonna run out and pay 60 bux for a game you do not own, and in 6 months to a year, they will give away what you paid 60 bux for... cuse its happend over and over and over.. and people keep falling for it , there are more people who prefer f2p/b2p than there is people who enjoy a sub...

That''s like your opinion, you know. F2P / B2P with cash shops can give the devs a lot of fast money in the first months, but many people seem to get bored quite fast of the unfairness most of these "freemium" games have to offer.

 

Last "F2P" game I tried was Neverwinter, had great expectations for it but it sucked. Everything was P2W, even the mounts, which made PvP heavily unbalanced and full of whining people the whole time. The only good thing it was the leveling experience, which I enjoyed, then got to lvl cap and the market was dominated by people paying real money. No thanks, very very bad model IMO.

 

It becomes a nuisance when lots of basic stuff are P2W in a MMO: bag space, decent fast mounts, even the coin used in the auction house, etc. I know there're a few half decent F2P and B2P games but almost none of them have fully cosmetic or non P2W cash shops, which is a real shame and a huge lost of potential interested players.

 

Opinion? Really? We will see... im going on experience... Burned on SWTOR, Rift, Lotro, DDO.. ALMOST EVERY GAME THAT GOES FREE TO PLAY REPORTS INCREASES IN REVENUE.. and thats what games are... a revenue stream... a buisness... people dont make games beacuse they want you to have fun and enjoy them, they make them, to make money.. and in a market DOMINATED by sub free games, a subscription based game wont be able to hold its own long... i guarantee it!

 

  GeezerGamer

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8/19/13 10:02:10 AM#87
Wild Star is an NCSOFT publication. Just makes me wonder how profitable GW2's B2P model really is for them to abandon it.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Illyssia

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8/19/13 10:02:21 AM#88
Originally posted by BillMurphy

 

WildStar Online will not be Free-to-Play. It won’t be Buy-to-Play like Guild Wars 2, either. What does that leave, boys and girls? That’s right, you heard it here first: WildStar will operate via the classic subscription model, with a tasty EVE-like caveat Carbine is calling CREDD.  


 

 

 

CREDD means that your real world credit card can be used, by web purchase and an in game mechanism, to gain game gold, but without putting money into the wallets of the gold farmers of the world, and instead putting the dough straight into NCsoft's bank account. Guys, this is a box purchase buy-to-win game, with a sub system that you can opt out of by gaining enough in-game gold.  It is so NCsoft a business model, and they can still patch in the full-on cash shop later to make even more money for themselves.  

  doodphace

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8/19/13 10:03:57 AM#89
SWTOR of all games still has 500k subs...if Wildstar is made properly and not straight up missing endgame content, it will do fine...
  GeezerGamer

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8/19/13 10:04:56 AM#90
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by BillMurphy

 

WildStar Online will not be Free-to-Play. It won’t be Buy-to-Play like Guild Wars 2, either. What does that leave, boys and girls? That’s right, you heard it here first: WildStar will operate via the classic subscription model, with a tasty EVE-like caveat Carbine is calling CREDD.  


 

 

 

CREDD means that your real world credit card can be used, by web purchase and an in game mechanism, to gain game gold, but without putting money into the wallets of the gold farmers of the world, and instead putting the dough straight into NCsoft's bank account. Guys, this is a box purchase buy-to-win game, with a sub system that you can opt out of by gaining enough in-game gold.  It is so NCsoft a business model, and they can still patch in the full-on cash shop later to make even more money for themselves.  

Couldn't agree more. No way will I pay a sub in a game that has the ability to "buy gold" from the publisher.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Derros

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8/19/13 10:08:29 AM#91
Originally posted by timtrack
Originally posted by indr143

very bad....ppl who cant spend monthly feees cant  play it..or ppl like me who have the cash but cant pay online ...cant play it.........very bad.....

 

1. Yes you can, since other players can sell a subscription to you for in-game currency.

2. Are you actually complaining about not being able to play a MMORPG without an internet connection?

Probably lives in a region that doesnt offer traditional credit cards, or has cards that cant be used for traditional online purchases. 

 

also as to 1, it could be argued that you would have to sub first, in order to get enough gold in order to pay for the next sub. 

  IceAge

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8/19/13 10:09:12 AM#92
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by BillMurphy

 

WildStar Online will not be Free-to-Play. It won’t be Buy-to-Play like Guild Wars 2, either. What does that leave, boys and girls? That’s right, you heard it here first: WildStar will operate via the classic subscription model, with a tasty EVE-like caveat Carbine is calling CREDD.  


 

 

 

CREDD means that your real world credit card can be used, by web purchase and an in game mechanism, to gain game gold, but without putting money into the wallets of the gold farmers of the world, and instead putting the dough straight into NCsoft's bank account. Guys, this is a box purchase buy-to-win game, with a sub system that you can opt out of by gaining enough in-game gold.  It is so NCsoft a business model, and they can still patch in the full-on cash shop later to make even more money for themselves.  

Couldn't agree more. No way will I pay a sub in a game that has the ability to "buy gold" from the publisher.

But then is OK to buy gold from gold farmers hm? Say that to WoW's face. Say that to Eve, who's business model is almost the same as WS.

So, if WildStar is "pay to win" , then Wow and every other game out there, who has gold sellers, are also P2W...

Am I right?

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  Superman0X

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8/19/13 10:10:13 AM#93
Wait until people figure out what happens in the elder games... and they realize that with this model, it is P2P + P2W. That is what will force a change...
  Psion33

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8/19/13 10:10:37 AM#94
I will not play games where my money is used to subsidize another F2P'ers gaming habits. No way in hell.

  AsalzSy

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8/19/13 10:11:20 AM#95
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Wild Star is an NCSOFT publication. Just makes me wonder how profitable GW2's B2P model really is for them to abandon it.

learn to read and stop the baiting..

@But why not Guild Wars 2’s model, which has recently proven so successful financially for the other big western NCsoft release? To this Jeremy said that it becomes really tricky with a B2P game to walk the line between not stretching development costs too thin while selling the right things in the store, and keeping content coming to the game on a consistent and interesting basis.  He believes ArenaNet does amazingly with this, but that the model isn’t for them.

  nanoentity

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8/19/13 10:11:52 AM#96

If I pay for anything it be EQ:NEXT I liked there technology, presentation and innovation of the MMO genre, it had this wow factor, made me go this is cool and new, if they can pull off what they showed, it be amazing game.

 

Wildstar is not worth a subscription fee, at least not a $14.99 one, every new MMO trying to match WoW sub model and just fails within a year, if you lowered the price to like $9.99 you would get better results, at the end Wildstar will go Free2Play just like FINAL FANTASY XIV will in time, it will not survive.

Reality is I rather pay for WoW if I was forced to pay any subscription fee, and im sure most people feel like that.

 

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  Yaevindusk

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8/19/13 10:12:10 AM#97
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by BillMurphy

 

WildStar Online will not be Free-to-Play. It won’t be Buy-to-Play like Guild Wars 2, either. What does that leave, boys and girls? That’s right, you heard it here first: WildStar will operate via the classic subscription model, with a tasty EVE-like caveat Carbine is calling CREDD.  


 

 

 

CREDD means that your real world credit card can be used, by web purchase and an in game mechanism, to gain game gold, but without putting money into the wallets of the gold farmers of the world, and instead putting the dough straight into NCsoft's bank account. Guys, this is a box purchase buy-to-win game, with a sub system that you can opt out of by gaining enough in-game gold.  It is so NCsoft a business model, and they can still patch in the full-on cash shop later to make even more money for themselves.  

Couldn't agree more. No way will I pay a sub in a game that has the ability to "buy gold" from the publisher.

 

Buying gold from the publisher is extremely lucrative right now.  It's probably one reason why some don't like Guild Wars 2 at the moment.  Though to have a box + sub + gold purchase of any kind might seem to be a kick in a teeth to a lot of people, but it's still very profitable.  Might even survive as a P2P game for longer than a year if this is the case.

 

If it's true then the word will probably get out, or some PSA will needed to be made.  That said, it wouldn't be prudent to do so until we have all the facts and are sure we understand them completely.  Maybe also just add to the warning for people to be wary of the possibility, rather than the outright fact, when and if playing the game.

 

Hmm.

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  Derros

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8/19/13 10:13:05 AM#98
Originally posted by IceAge
Originally posted by GeezerGamer
Originally posted by Illyssia
Originally posted by BillMurphy

 

WildStar Online will not be Free-to-Play. It won’t be Buy-to-Play like Guild Wars 2, either. What does that leave, boys and girls? That’s right, you heard it here first: WildStar will operate via the classic subscription model, with a tasty EVE-like caveat Carbine is calling CREDD.  


 

 

 

CREDD means that your real world credit card can be used, by web purchase and an in game mechanism, to gain game gold, but without putting money into the wallets of the gold farmers of the world, and instead putting the dough straight into NCsoft's bank account. Guys, this is a box purchase buy-to-win game, with a sub system that you can opt out of by gaining enough in-game gold.  It is so NCsoft a business model, and they can still patch in the full-on cash shop later to make even more money for themselves.  

Couldn't agree more. No way will I pay a sub in a game that has the ability to "buy gold" from the publisher.

But then is OK to buy gold from gold farmers hm? Say that to WoW's face. Say that to Eve, who's business model is almost the same as WS.

So, if WildStar is "pay to win" , then Wow and every other game out there, who has gold sellers, are also P2W...

Am I right?

gold farmers are not part of the game mechanic.  They are something that developers have to deal with, but do not intend to be a part of the game and the game is not designed around.

 

  EvE, Eve is its own unique beast, PLEX is a comodity that can be destroyed and stolen from other players, also, just because you have alot of money in EvE, doesnt mean anything, you need the player skills to actually use the things you buy, and even then you can have it all destroyed, completely negating any "advantage" the PLEX offered you.

 

  doug200463

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Joined: 2/23/13
Posts: 36

8/19/13 10:13:57 AM#99
Originally posted by Psion33

Oh, the tears being shed here...makes me so happy.

 

Go Wildstar!  It's like  "ruh roh. Did the 'whales' win?" 

 

Bahaha. :)

 

I guess you havnt learned yet... Your gonna run out and pay 60 bux for a game you do not own, and in 6 months to a year, they will give away what you paid 60 bux for... cuse its happend over and over and over.. and people like you keep falling for it  plain and simple, there are more people who prefer f2p/b2p than there is people who enjoy a sub...

Enjoy!

  mbd1968

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Joined: 2/21/07
Posts: 2056

8/19/13 10:15:01 AM#100
Having been burnt by b2p and p2p games in the past I will keep my money until they offer a trial. But as it will be freemium within 12 months I can probably wait.
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