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  tawess

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Joined: 3/24/05
Posts: 1965

8/13/13 9:11:46 AM#81
Originally posted by Broomy
 

Nope, your absolutely wrong, making a post on the EVE forums full of Stans is the waste of time.  New players LOOKING FOR NEW GAMEs, come HERE to MMORPG.  They check it out and then go to game forums.  So this is the perfect venue to speak the truth on the game.  Official game forums are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME if your trying to find out the truth of a game.  If the Stans don't kill you, the forum moderators will, because they don't want the truth to be known. 

 

Sorry sir, your backwards here, truly so.

 

Did i ever say you should go to the EvE-Forums to warn new players... No i said that if the current new player experience (aka introduction and tutorial) does not mention the inherent dangers of EvE it need to be changed (especially as it used to say so both on the web-page and in the NPE before) and that is best done through the proper channels.

 

The backwards part of your post here was that it was poorly written and did a poor job of conveying anything but bitterness and anger (no matter what you intended it to do) thus my suggestion that you next time make a guide or newbie primer instead of.. well what you did this time.

 

But i guess that would take effort,  much easier to use a bell and a sign.

 

 

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  Madatan

Advanced Member

Joined: 9/03/05
Posts: 134

8/13/13 9:12:05 AM#82

I'm afraid OP have settled on some very subjective "facts" and refuses to acknowledge more experienced and more knowledgeable peoples input.

So to those thinking about playing this game: Make your own research, facts on MMORPG Forums are rarely facts, they are more often than not subjective perceptions of a fact.

 

  Elsabolts

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 2640

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It

8/13/13 9:17:51 AM#83
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by Broomy
 

Nope, your absolutely wrong, making a post on the EVE forums full of Stans is the waste of time.  New players LOOKING FOR NEW GAMEs, come HERE to MMORPG.  They check it out and then go to game forums.  So this is the perfect venue to speak the truth on the game.  Official game forums are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME if your trying to find out the truth of a game.  If the Stans don't kill you, the forum moderators will, because they don't want the truth to be known. 

 

Sorry sir, your backwards here, truly so.

 

Did i ever say you should go to the EvE-Forums to warn new players... No i said that if the current new player experience (aka introduction and tutorial) does not mention the inherent dangers of EvE it need to be changed (especially as it used to say so both on the web-page and in the NPE before) and that is best done through the proper channels.

 

The backwards part of your post here was that it was poorly written and did a poor job of conveying anything but bitterness and anger (no matter what you intended it to do) thus my suggestion that you next time make a guide or newbie primer instead of.. well what you did this time.

 

But i guess that would take effort,  much easier to use a bell and a sign.

 

 

What the hell is a newbie primer, do not think he is trying to prime a well here ?

  TalRasha

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/20/05
Posts: 828

8/13/13 9:22:35 AM#84
Originally posted by Elsabolts
What the hell is a newbie primer, do not think he is trying to prime a well here ?

It's a perfectly valid term. It means an introduction for new players.

Just google the term or thesaurus primer.

  Broomy

Novice Member

Joined: 1/20/06
Posts: 481

 
OP  8/13/13 9:23:49 AM#85
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by Broomy
 

Nope, your absolutely wrong, making a post on the EVE forums full of Stans is the waste of time.  New players LOOKING FOR NEW GAMEs, come HERE to MMORPG.  They check it out and then go to game forums.  So this is the perfect venue to speak the truth on the game.  Official game forums are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME if your trying to find out the truth of a game.  If the Stans don't kill you, the forum moderators will, because they don't want the truth to be known. 

 

Sorry sir, your backwards here, truly so.

 

Did i ever say you should go to the EvE-Forums to warn new players... No i said that if the current new player experience (aka introduction and tutorial) does not mention the inherent dangers of EvE it need to be changed (especially as it used to say so both on the web-page and in the NPE before) and that is best done through the proper channels.

 

The backwards part of your post here was that it was poorly written and did a poor job of conveying anything but bitterness and anger (no matter what you intended it to do) thus my suggestion that you next time make a guide or newbie primer instead of.. well what you did this time.

 

But i guess that would take effort,  much easier to use a bell and a sign.

 

 

And instead of telling me what I should be doing, why not just bypass the post as apparently the truth I'm speaking is bothering you.  EVE Is for PVP players, its not for PVERs.  I said that in my first post, I'll  say it again here.  All those missions, new player experience, etc. is simply to get the PVE casual crowd and their money into the game.  The FACT is its a pvp game, and that PVE hooey they put in there is simply an illusion.  As a PVEer in EVE  your CANNON FODDER. 

 

Have fun pvping those pve noobs man!

Current Games: Casually playing LOTRO

  kovah

Advanced Member

Joined: 7/15/05
Posts: 692

DaZeD aNd AmUsEd

8/13/13 9:27:39 AM#86
Interesting.  A quick look back at the OPs previous posts here in the EVE-O section of this site he mentions that he has been playing EVE "off and on" for around 7 years now.  So, I'm curious OP.  Apparently the NPE wasn't so bad that you kept coming back.  What did you do differently this time that got you ganked and ticked enough to come here and rant about it?
  Elsabolts

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 2640

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It

8/13/13 9:29:01 AM#87
Originally posted by TalRasha
Originally posted by Elsabolts
What the hell is a newbie primer, do not think he is trying to prime a well here ?

It's a perfectly valid term. It means an introduction for new players.

Just google the term or thesaurus primer.

  TalRasha

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/20/05
Posts: 828

8/13/13 9:34:08 AM#88

I guess I should be glad that video is not playing :p

What was it about?

  Zadawn

Novice Member

Joined: 11/04/10
Posts: 672

8/13/13 9:36:38 AM#89
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by Broomy
 

Nope, your absolutely wrong, making a post on the EVE forums full of Stans is the waste of time.  New players LOOKING FOR NEW GAMEs, come HERE to MMORPG.  They check it out and then go to game forums.  So this is the perfect venue to speak the truth on the game.  Official game forums are a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME if your trying to find out the truth of a game.  If the Stans don't kill you, the forum moderators will, because they don't want the truth to be known. 

 

Sorry sir, your backwards here, truly so.

 

Did i ever say you should go to the EvE-Forums to warn new players... No i said that if the current new player experience (aka introduction and tutorial) does not mention the inherent dangers of EvE it need to be changed (especially as it used to say so both on the web-page and in the NPE before) and that is best done through the proper channels.

 

The backwards part of your post here was that it was poorly written and did a poor job of conveying anything but bitterness and anger (no matter what you intended it to do) thus my suggestion that you next time make a guide or newbie primer instead of.. well what you did this time.

 

But i guess that would take effort,  much easier to use a bell and a sign.

 

 

And instead of telling me what I should be doing, why not just bypass the post as apparently the truth I'm speaking is bothering you.  EVE Is for PVP players, its not for PVERs.  I said that in my first post, I'll  say it again here.  All those missions, new player experience, etc. is simply to get the PVE casual crowd and their money into the game.  The FACT is its a pvp game, and that PVE hooey they put in there is simply an illusion.  As a PVEer in EVE  your CANNON FODDER. 

 

Have fun pvping those pve noobs man!

EVE, like any other game, is for GAMERS, not for "PVP-ers" or 'PVE-ers" .Your fault for being idiots and parting a game into two sides and then decide to join one, automatically missing on a part of the content.

  Elsabolts

Hard Core Member

Joined: 10/03/06
Posts: 2640

Life Liberty and the Pursuit of those that would threaten It

8/13/13 9:37:19 AM#90
Originally posted by TalRasha

I guess I should be glad that video is not playing :p

What was it about?

How to prime a well, I googled it as you suggested. It will show you how too.

  TalRasha

Apprentice Member

Joined: 1/20/05
Posts: 828

8/13/13 9:41:07 AM#91
Originally posted by Elsabolts
Originally posted by TalRasha

I guess I should be glad that video is not playing :p

What was it about?

How to prime a well, I googled it as you suggested. It will show you how too.

How strange, this is my top search result if I google "newbie primer":

BT: World Of Tanks Newbie Primer (Part 1) 05/06/04 - YouTube
 

And if I google "thesaurus primer":

Primer Synonyms, Primer Antonyms | Thesaurus.com
introduction
manual
textbook
 

 

 

 

  Krematory

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/15/08
Posts: 516

MMOHOLIC

8/13/13 9:51:37 AM#92

Ah, miner's tears are the sweetest of them all, I can't get enough of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Jibw1PEhs

"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  Krematory

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/15/08
Posts: 516

MMOHOLIC

8/13/13 9:56:39 AM#93
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory

Ah, miner's tears are the sweetest of them all, I can't get enough of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Jibw1PEhs

LOL Thank you!  Original Point proven! 

 

PVERs STAY AWAY FROM EVE!  its a PVP game ONLY.

That's a false statement, I do plenty of PVE in EVE. The problem is, being an idiot while doing it can get you blown up. It hapened to me aswell, but I didn't come here to cry about it. It's just the way it is.

"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  Myrradah

Hard Core Member

Joined: 1/08/06
Posts: 22

He who dies with the most toys wins!

8/13/13 9:59:26 AM#94

So, hehe OP - yes There is technically no safe place in Eve. However, your actions dictate if you live or die.

If you are afk mining - you deserve to die. You need to be watching who is coming near you and getting close etc. - if this is occurring you need to gtfo. Then there is the traps and gate camps in hi sec. Avoid doing anything that would be illegal and you are fine.

Double wrap stuff and dont move stuff in weak ships that can get sniped. If you are hauling 1 bil isk in a Iteron -guess what, the ROI on me killing you in a tornado and dying to Concorde is worth it. 150 mil versus 1 bil....You take away that temptation and you are fine. Ive been playing eve since Beta and never once got hi sec ganked.

Orcas are now scan resistant plus yuo can double wrap - convo me in game one time if you dont know what this is. In addition - red frog is there to cheaply move assets from one location to another.

No need to move plex - for those who do get a clue.

If you think you are safe in a cloaky ship you are not. A lot of people can decloak you, tackle you, and kill you right off a gate and you wont know wtf happened.

Finally there is absolutely no freakin reason for crap like pimping out a Mission ship in Null sec. You are pretty much sealing your fate. a 2 bil Raven navy issue is income to folks like me when we kill it. You may feel its griefing.

Same thing in Hi sec - except you need to be more cautious. Dont join fleets with others you dont know, use scouts to move from one location to another, etc etc. Many thing to protect yourself.

Dont be a sheep...

  Broomy

Novice Member

Joined: 1/20/06
Posts: 481

 
OP  8/13/13 10:01:11 AM#95
Originally posted by Krematory
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory

Ah, miner's tears are the sweetest of them all, I can't get enough of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Jibw1PEhs

LOL Thank you!  Original Point proven! 

 

PVERs STAY AWAY FROM EVE!  its a PVP game ONLY.

That's a false statement, I do plenty of PVE in EVE. The problem is, being an idiot while doing it can get you blown up. It hapened to me aswell, but I didn't come here to cry about it. It's just the way it is.

I'm not "crying" I'm telling people who are thinking of playing the game the truth!  Sure you can PVE in EVE, and you can also be cannon fodder for players like  you!  You just proved it with your comment about "Miner's tears".  You just said it and proved what my original point was all about.   As as you said, "its just the way it is" I totally agree with you.  Yep, PVEers are cannon fodder.  I am actually beginning to think that CCP and vet stans are actually coming here to trick people into thinking the game has a cool PVE side when they really just want more target practice!  LOL!

Current Games: Casually playing LOTRO

  Krematory

Advanced Member

Joined: 12/15/08
Posts: 516

MMOHOLIC

8/13/13 10:07:16 AM#96
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory

Ah, miner's tears are the sweetest of them all, I can't get enough of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Jibw1PEhs

LOL Thank you!  Original Point proven! 

 

PVERs STAY AWAY FROM EVE!  its a PVP game ONLY.

That's a false statement, I do plenty of PVE in EVE. The problem is, being an idiot while doing it can get you blown up. It hapened to me aswell, but I didn't come here to cry about it. It's just the way it is.

I'm not "crying" I'm telling people who are thinking of playing the game the truth!  Sure you can PVE in EVE, and you can also be cannon fodder for players like  you!  You just proved it with your comment about "Miner's tears".  You just said it and proved what my original point was all about.   As as you said, "its just the way it is" I totally agree with you.  Yep, PVEers are cannon fodder.  I am actually beginning to think that CCP and vet stans are actually coming here to trick people into thinking the game has a cool PVE side when they really just want more target practice!  LOL!

You speak like there's nothing you can do about it. There's A LOT of stuff you can do to prevent being ganked, specially in high-sec. But sure, telling people the "truth" is much easy than that. Oh well, I'm sure competent miners won't complain about not having to share those roids with you anymore :P

"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

  Malcanis

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Posts: 3202

"A very special kind of stupidity"

8/13/13 10:08:37 AM#97
Originally posted by Elsabolts
Originally posted by cagan

yes, there are some people who have no life and lots of money in that game. Not surprising to find people with 10 alts and 1 shoots and run and the lowbie alt finishes you off and then gets blown off, and then the other alt just loots everything...

Not paying to get grieved...

Humm, Well Malcanis are you seeing a trend here ?

 

Indeed I am. People will throw out any amount of totally made up slander as reasons why they got owned rather than admit the simple fact of their ownage.

"Sure you completely destroyed my ship after scamming me out of all your ISK but I can tell from the mere fact that you beat out someone so incredibly awesome at video games as me that YOU HAVE NO LIFE, therefore who is the real winner here. Not you, sir. Not you."

As hilariously implausible as the explainations one sees on Springer when the guy gets confronted by all three women he's married at once.

Give me liberty or give me lasers

  Broomy

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Joined: 1/20/06
Posts: 481

 
OP  8/13/13 10:12:31 AM#98
Originally posted by Krematory
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory

Ah, miner's tears are the sweetest of them all, I can't get enough of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Jibw1PEhs

LOL Thank you!  Original Point proven! 

 

PVERs STAY AWAY FROM EVE!  its a PVP game ONLY.

That's a false statement, I do plenty of PVE in EVE. The problem is, being an idiot while doing it can get you blown up. It hapened to me aswell, but I didn't come here to cry about it. It's just the way it is.

I'm not "crying" I'm telling people who are thinking of playing the game the truth!  Sure you can PVE in EVE, and you can also be cannon fodder for players like  you!  You just proved it with your comment about "Miner's tears".  You just said it and proved what my original point was all about.   As as you said, "its just the way it is" I totally agree with you.  Yep, PVEers are cannon fodder.  I am actually beginning to think that CCP and vet stans are actually coming here to trick people into thinking the game has a cool PVE side when they really just want more target practice!  LOL!

You speak like there's nothing you can do about it. There's A LOT of stuff you can do to prevent being ganked, specially in high-sec. But sure, telling people the "truth" is much easy than that. Oh well, I'm sure competent miners won't complain about not having to share those roids with you anymore :P

What does ganked at a gate have to do with competency?  If you in .9 space mining someone can come along and suicide gank you.  What exactly are you suppose to do about that?  HUH?  Your not making any sense.  Every friend in the game has been ganked in high sec, and High sec is where most PVE takes place.  How does that make for a PVE game?  It makes for a hellava PVP game tho, hence EVEs reputation in that regard.  I'm not telling ppl not to play EVE, I'm warning new players that the game is PVP to the bone, no matter how many BS pve missions and  new player Experiences and marketing ploys they put out there.  CCP wanted to capture the lucrative "casual" market = New Player Experience.   How is that NOT the truth??

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  Malcanis

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8/13/13 10:17:24 AM#99
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by tawess
Originally posted by Broomy

 

 

Reactions like this is why a tiny bit of research goes a mile to provide against disapointing experiences. Anyone could have told you that Eve has a learning curve of a wall. It is brutal... In fact it is so brutal that most quit within a week, but at the same time once you get to grips with it and make some friends it is very rewarding.

 

But it is not for people who are not in to PvP.

I highlighted the point I'm addressing.  In my original post I said exactly that.  It's a game for STRICTLY PVPers.  I am in total agreement with you.  If one prefers PVE (Mining/Industry/Missions)  EVE IS NOT FOR THEM because a PVPer can come and take it from you AT ANY TIME and ANY WHERE.  PVE in the game is completely pointless as is the Bounty system. 

Hi broomy.

On average, people who mine or do missions make more ISk than they lose (obviously, or they wouldn't do it). In fact I run missions myself to make my ISK, plus I have done some mining in 0.0, sometimes a very little bit of trading, and over the nearly 7 years I've been playing EVE I have been suicide ganked in hi-sec a grand total of

ZERO

times.

I assure you that this is not because hi-sec gankers are so terrified by my fearsome reputation as a murderous PvPer that they are afraid to even target my alts.

 

Why do you think the reason is?

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  Krematory

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8/13/13 10:19:26 AM#100
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory
Originally posted by Broomy
Originally posted by Krematory

Ah, miner's tears are the sweetest of them all, I can't get enough of them

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_Jibw1PEhs

LOL Thank you!  Original Point proven! 

 

PVERs STAY AWAY FROM EVE!  its a PVP game ONLY.

That's a false statement, I do plenty of PVE in EVE. The problem is, being an idiot while doing it can get you blown up. It hapened to me aswell, but I didn't come here to cry about it. It's just the way it is.

I'm not "crying" I'm telling people who are thinking of playing the game the truth!  Sure you can PVE in EVE, and you can also be cannon fodder for players like  you!  You just proved it with your comment about "Miner's tears".  You just said it and proved what my original point was all about.   As as you said, "its just the way it is" I totally agree with you.  Yep, PVEers are cannon fodder.  I am actually beginning to think that CCP and vet stans are actually coming here to trick people into thinking the game has a cool PVE side when they really just want more target practice!  LOL!

You speak like there's nothing you can do about it. There's A LOT of stuff you can do to prevent being ganked, specially in high-sec. But sure, telling people the "truth" is much easy than that. Oh well, I'm sure competent miners won't complain about not having to share those roids with you anymore :P

What does ganked at a gate have to do with competency?  If you in .9 space mining someone can come along and suicide gank you. 

In a .9? Ok... What where you flying? How was that ship fitted? How many players took to gank you?

"EVE is likely the best MMORPG that you've never really understood or played" - Kyleran

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