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  BillMurphy

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OP  8/07/13 4:54:24 AM#1

Whether you're a longtime fan or series newbie, the game design and technology behind EverQuest Next could have far-reaching impact for the genre. This week, we're offering our take on the announcement as an admitted EQ newbie.

Despite being an EQ newbie, I do know that EverQuest has always been a classic, high fantasy MMO in which players played as one of many distinct classes and races available. While the presence of these races and classes (to some extent) appears to be intact, it’s clear, even to someone like me, that what SOE unveiled at SOE Live was a departure from the series in many ways.

Read more of Michael Bitton's An EQ Noob’s Reaction to EverQuest Next.

  Lustmord

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8/07/13 2:14:52 PM#2
I agree.. the game lacks the soul of EverQuest, from what I've seen so far.
  Riposte.This

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8/07/13 2:17:06 PM#3
This game has no soul, it should just be a pvp oriented game.

Killing dragons is my shit

  syltmacka

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8/07/13 2:17:21 PM#4

oooooor you guys are getting old lol.

im gonna play and try this game. looks fun so far.

gonna be a ratonga necromancer ^^

  skeaser

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8/07/13 2:18:27 PM#5
I disagree on your EQ2 vs WoW graphics comment. I personally think that EQ2 looks much better than WoW. Mostly because we're just now reaching a point where computers can handle EQ2...


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  MindTrigger

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8/07/13 2:27:18 PM#6

We don't know much about the details of the game yet.  All we really have is high-level information about the technology because they will be talking about the rest of the game in the coming months. Even most of the information from the panels was kept high-level to allow them to have something to feed us with for the next year or so.

I also believe some of the more granular detail of the game is still up in the air, and awaiting community feedback.  SOE's big push was about how this is the player's game as much as it is SOE's.  If they didn't want feedback, they probably could have waited until next year to reveal it, but I believe they do want it.  It's up to us to give constructive feedback rather than nerd rage on gaming forums.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  Suraknar

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8/07/13 2:31:42 PM#7

I much like the Graphics Style of EQN.

It is actually one of the attraction/appeal points of it right now.

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  Kharisha

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8/07/13 2:32:20 PM#8
I disagree about Kerran. He looks amazing.
  Halldor

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8/07/13 2:32:27 PM#9

So, you didn't played much EQ and EQ2, but you always think this game lacks EQ's essence...

 

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  MindTrigger

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8/07/13 2:33:34 PM#10
Originally posted by skeaser
I disagree on your EQ2 vs WoW graphics comment. I personally think that EQ2 looks much better than WoW. Mostly because we're just now reaching a point where computers can handle EQ2...

I hated the EQ II graphics when the game first released.  Everything looked to me then like it was made of cheap plastic or had been sprayed with lacquer.  It was a big turn off and one of the reasons I only played to about level 15 or 20.

Anyway, art style is subjective, so I understand that you may like it better.

Something isn't being mentioned in any of these posts about the graphics though, and maybe it should be confirmed with SOE.  I'm assuming, based on what I know about procedural graphics systems, that  a lot of the textures are procedural as well as underlying structure, rather than based on static, painted art as is traditional in MMOs.  If that's the case for EQN, then the game world may have been driven toward this art style due to the limits of procedural art technology to allow for destruction/construction without mismatched/misplaced textures trying to keep up with the changing world structure.

One could argue that this would only affect the game world, and not the characters, but then why would they have characters that don't match the look of the game world?

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  skeaser

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Don't die mad, just die.

8/07/13 2:39:15 PM#11
Originally posted by MindTrigger
Originally posted by skeaser
I disagree on your EQ2 vs WoW graphics comment. I personally think that EQ2 looks much better than WoW. Mostly because we're just now reaching a point where computers can handle EQ2...

I hated the EQ II graphics when the game first released.  Everything looked to me then like it was made of cheap plastic or had been sprayed with lacquer.  It was a big turn off and one of the reasons I only played to about level 15 or 20.

Anyway, art style is subjective, so I understand that you may like it better.

Something isn't being mentioned in any of these posts about the graphics though, and maybe it should be confirmed with SOE.  I'm assuming, based on what I know about procedural graphics systems, that  a lot of the textures are procedural as well as underlying structure, rather than based on static, painted art as is traditional in MMOs.  If that's the case for EQN, then the game world may have been driven toward this art style due to the limits of procedural art technology to allow for destruction/construction without mismatched/misplaced textures trying to keep up with the changing world structure.

One could argue that this would only affect the game world, and not the characters, but then why would they have characters that don't match the look of the game world?

 

I agree that it's all subjective, I just really don't think EQ2 looks as "old" as WoW. 


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  MondoA2J

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8/07/13 2:39:33 PM#12

I agree with the article. I can see what he is saying.

You don't have to be a hardcore EQ player to know that this game is not exactly a direct sequel. Aside from the fact its called EQNext where is the homage to its source material? To be fair we have plenty of time for that.

Oh yeah and there is the hundred posts of players losing their garsh darn minds as well.

To those people I say, relax.

I like the art style. The Kerran look a little lame but that is cause this isn't completely finished or polished.

I really really hope they deliver on this new AI for monsters. Really tired of static monsters who do the exact same shyt over and over.

In all. The reaction is exactly what anybody with half a brain expected. Even SoE isn't surprised im sure. This too shall pass.

MMORPG Gamers/Developers need a reality check!

  Skuz

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8/07/13 2:44:56 PM#13

Tony the tiger... they used a Lion, more Lionel then?

I preferred the Tiger-based look of the Kerrans in the Gabor art to the Lion-based look shown at  SOE Live, Lions have a huge Mane which tends to give them the appearance of a head much bigger in relation to their body-size than Tigers do, so the EQN  Kerran from the videos looked ridiculous in terms of head to body ratio, it's face also looked far less emotive, more a dumb Madagascar lion that a predecessor to the Vah Shir or Kerra, I think they need to shorten the snout upscale the skull, give it a sizeable mane & a larger mouth to look more in line with a Lionesque look.

  Yilelien

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8/07/13 2:48:47 PM#14

As someone that did play EQ for 6-7 years, EQ2 for a short time. The secrete to the success was the trinity system. Which also means the community. You quickly have a friends list & a ignore list.

 

 EQN is moving away from this and ill be honest. It scares the heck out of me. I always know what i got with a EQ game. Now ill have to wait and see. I do see all of the new "gizmos" they look impressive. I do like alot of what the game is doing. But IMO it seems they are taking the core out of the game.

 

 Time will tell. I check several web sites everyday for new details and try to keep an open mind. One way or another i will play the game. The only real question will be. For how long?

  Vorthanion

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8/07/13 3:12:08 PM#15
Maybe they could garner a lot more goodwill from their current player bases by implementing a second team on a project to create an updated EQ MMO in the tradition of the original EQ.  Nothing wrong with them creating something new, but the EQLive game is long past due for a real sequel or do those players not count anymore?  This is a big company, surely they can work on more than one new project at a time?

  jesteralways

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8/07/13 3:14:59 PM#16
I am gonna wait for landmark, will see how much SOE ask for it. then i will wait for the "original" storybricks. what i got from talking to the storybricks developers is that they will release their own product in 2014. is worth waiting a bit longer for storybricks. 

i want an open world, no phasing, no instancing.i want meaningful owpvp.i want player driven economy.i want meaningful crafting.i want awesome exploration, a sense of thrill.i want ow housing with a meaningful effect on my entire gameplay experience, not just some instanced crap.i want all of these free of cost, i don't wanna pay you a cent, game devs can eat grass and continue developing game for me.
Seems like that is the current consensus of western mmo players.

  DeserttFoxx

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8/07/13 3:15:32 PM#17
Originally posted by syltmacka

oooooor you guys are getting old lol.

im gonna play and try this game. looks fun so far.

gonna be a ratonga necromancer ^^

Or you are just to young.

Like my cousin, who wouldve never played great games liek Final fantasy 7,8,9, or 10 if he didnt have older gamers in his family.

He didnt even know what everquest was until i showed him, the current generation thinks the games of today are actually good. When in actuality they are mostly graphics and tech, with no actual substance.

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  MindTrigger

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8/07/13 3:18:03 PM#18
Originally posted by jesteralways
I am gonna wait for landmark, will see how much SOE ask for it. then i will wait for the "original" storybricks. what i got from talking to the storybricks developers is that they will release their own product in 2014. is worth waiting a bit longer for storybricks. 

At one of the panels, they indicated Landmark will be released for free.

A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.

  arieste

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8/07/13 3:19:05 PM#19

From a "quality" standpoint, the difference between EQ2 graphics and WoW graphics is that EQ2 graphics look dated after 9 years while WoW graphics have looked dated for 9 years.

 

Do EQ2 graphics have their issues?  Sure, lots.  They're poorly optimized the humanoid models have a bit of a plastic feel to them.   But I can't imagine that too many people would look at the two kerra images below (EQ2 and EQN) and honestly say that the EQN one is in any way superior (despite being 10 years newer):

 

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  Razeekster

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8/07/13 3:20:26 PM#20
The only thing I don't like is the look of the Kerran. It's just way to out there and ridiculous looking. The other character models look fine to me though and the graphics I thought were gorgeous otherwise. 

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