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EverQuest Next 

General Discussion  » If this game has cartoony graphics, then I'm out. [Graphics Discussion thread]

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  teddyboy420

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8/02/13 3:00:50 PM#61
Originally posted by BearKnight

This is complete crap. It is WoW 2.0 graphics, and our family is completely heartbroken. We're SICK AND TIRED of all these "Modern" titles coming out with aweful graphics aimed at pre-teens.

 

JUST LOOK AT THIS! Everquest: Next is a failure.

 

It is totally your right to write the game off b/c of the graphics, but honestly, w/ the gameplay I have read about, YOU (and your family, and guild and whoever else you claim to be speaking for) are the ones that are going to be missing out.

Seriously? Who the frig cares as long as the gameplay is tight? These types of graphics make WAY more sense for a developer of a modern MMO b/c it enables more people to play the game. Look at what happened w/ EQ2 (yes, EQ2 was planned for the "next gen" of single core CPU's which we all know never came, but the point is still valid), the graphics and performance kept a lot of people from even touching that game for years.

I personally don't care much about graphics, and the gameplay sounds awesome. All you people crying, and saying the game will suck, or that you won't play b/c of the graphics are going to be sorry you missed out b/c of something so silly.

  tedgar

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8/02/13 3:03:13 PM#62
its funniest when ppl want a unique experience and then ask it to mimic real life... i am all for artist description on what his mind thinks is human.... let me create the characters  and my mind  would make something that  some may like and most do not like...or may call cartoonish the art has to be clean imo thats all i ask for...well and a good story.....great pvp hopefully full loot...and the game i am waiting for is one with a good gaming system for thieving ......well i ramble my morning ramble ramble ramble 
  statrick

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8/02/13 3:03:33 PM#63
Originally posted by BearKnight

This is complete crap. It is WoW 2.0 graphics, and our family is completely heartbroken. We're SICK AND TIRED of all these "Modern" titles coming out with aweful graphics aimed at pre-teens.

 

JUST LOOK AT THIS! Everquest: Next is a failure.

 

so they basically are taking the 2 most successful games ever (warcraft & minecraft) and updating them and you think this game is going to fail....

 

everyday must be opposite day for you....

  BearKnight

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8/02/13 3:03:42 PM#64
Originally posted by aspekx
Originally posted by BearKnight

 our family is completely heartbroken. 

man, this is gonna be better than i could possibly have imagined.

You're not a fan of Everquest, nor has your family been playing it for more than 10years. I wouldn't expect you to understand.

 

Artstyle and Graphics are different things. They've got good graphics, but have gone the childish mainstream Artstyle, and it is terrible.

  Ineveraskforthis

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8/02/13 3:04:05 PM#65

What they did to the Kerra was unspeakable, Tony the Tiger with girl like tiny waist , WoW shoulder pad armor and cartoony face.

 

I will wait and see if the gameplay will even remotely live up to what they said, but knowing SOE track record most of the promised features will be most likely flawed or unfinished.

  tedgar

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8/02/13 3:04:34 PM#66
its funniest when ppl want a unique experience and then ask it to mimic real life... i am all for artist description on what his mind thinks is human.... let me create the characters  and my mind  would make something that  some may like and most do not like...or may call cartoonish the art has to be clean imo thats all i ask for...well and a good story.....great pvp hopefully full loot...and the game i am waiting for is one with a good gaming system for thieving ......well i ramble my morning ramble ramble ramble 
  BearKnight

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8/02/13 3:04:46 PM#67
Originally posted by statrick
Originally posted by BearKnight

This is complete crap. It is WoW 2.0 graphics, and our family is completely heartbroken. We're SICK AND TIRED of all these "Modern" titles coming out with aweful graphics aimed at pre-teens.

 

JUST LOOK AT THIS! Everquest: Next is a failure.

 

so they basically are taking the 2 most successful games ever (warcraft & minecraft) and updating them and you think this game is going to fail....

 

everyday must be opposite day for you....

They said nothing about it being like minecraft. Where did you get this idea from? Yes it looks like an updated WoW, but with TERA & Wurm Online semi-world mechanics. That is no where near the same.

  DeaconX

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8/02/13 3:05:04 PM#68

This is the first human character face I've seen from EQN.

First impression is... slightly better than SWTOR's style, which I completely hated...

I've already braced myself for not liking EQN from a character design/art point of view...


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  thyraven

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8/02/13 3:05:47 PM#69
FFXIV is a good example that graphic DOES NOT make a game good, its looks semi realistic but in a shitty way and the game systems is just crap. Id rather have a cartoonish graphic with good animations than bad semi realistic animations.
  BearKnight

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8/02/13 3:06:02 PM#70
Originally posted by tedgar
its funniest when ppl want a unique experience and then ask it to mimic real life... i am all for artist description on what his mind thinks is human.... let me create the characters  and my mind  would make something that  some may like and most do not like...or may call cartoonish the art has to be clean imo thats all i ask for...well and a good story.....great pvp hopefully full loot...and the game i am waiting for is one with a good gaming system for thieving ......well i ramble my morning ramble ramble ramble 

Absolutely no one is asking for it to "mimic real life". Who said that and where? What we're asking for is NOT a saturday cartoon fest for kids under the age of 14. That's all we're asking for!

:(

  BearKnight

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8/02/13 3:07:17 PM#71
Originally posted by thyraven
FFXIV is a good example that graphic DOES NOT make a game good, its looks semi realistic but in a shitty way and the game systems is just crap. Id rather have a cartoonish graphic with good animations than bad semi realistic animations.

And again, Graphics and ARTSTYLE are completely different things. 

 

Without the proper artstyle the mechanics can mean nothing at all. Similarly, without good mechanics the Artstyle and Graphics can mean absolutely nothing. 

 

It is a balance, for which SOE has just taken a dump all over the Everquest Franchise. 

  Ineveraskforthis

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8/02/13 3:08:45 PM#72
Originally posted by thyraven
FFXIV is a good example that graphic DOES NOT make a game good, its looks semi realistic but in a shitty way and the game systems is just crap. Id rather have a cartoonish graphic with good animations than bad semi realistic animations.

And now we have FFXIV A realm reborn.

 

Why do we have to choose between having good gameplay with unimaginative graphic and crappy game with aesthetically pleasing graphic?

 

The main problem i have with EQN stylized graphic is that EQ was never meant to be cartoony, it was quite realistic D and D like in EQ and EQ2, we can blame the realistic graphic contributed to the downfall of EQ2 but this is 2013, we have games like Aion, Tera , Archeage and Black Deserts that looks stunningly amazing with realistic aesthetic.

  Draemos

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8/02/13 3:10:52 PM#73
Originally posted by BearKnight
Originally posted by Amjoco

What happen to games with more real life looking animation and graphics?  Why are all the PC games going to console look and feel? I'm all for "if the game has great game play, I don't care how it looks", but.... come on!  Give us a game without spinning and twirling warriors, elves that don't shoot rapid fire arrows, or mages shooting fireball after fireball without a penalty. 

 

 

Graphics in some games are just as important as mechanics. They've gone the kiddy WoW route and it is atrocious. I can't even believe this did this.

You recognize why MMO developers use cartoon graphics, right?  If they made WoW a realistic style in 2003, it would look like total shit in 2013 and wouldn't hold up nearly as well as it does today.  Cartoon graphics give a game longevity, and MMOs are about longevity.

Anyway, the graphics look fine.  The actual gameplay doesn't look very smooth though, it's choppy and you can see there aren't enough frames being generated to smooth out things like the "parkour" running, but it's always a toss-up of whether that sorta stuff is just beta sloppiness that can be cleaned up, or inherent to the engine.

  Koroshiya

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8/02/13 3:11:42 PM#74
Originally posted by iamjason1989
Originally posted by thyraven
FFXIV is a good example that graphic DOES NOT make a game good, its looks semi realistic but in a shitty way and the game systems is just crap. Id rather have a cartoonish graphic with good animations than bad semi realistic animations.

And now we have FFXIV A realm reborn.

 

Why do we have to choose between having good gameplay with unimaginative graphic and crappy game with aesthetically pleasing graphic?

 

Oh really?  FF XiV has complete destruction in its world?  WoW I never knew!

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  Amjoco

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8/02/13 3:13:27 PM#75
I was looking for a more mature game like the original EQ was. This console style game design needs to be rethought imho. They should have put time into building Vanguard from the ground up, instead of ruining the EQ franchise with Disney art style and Wildstar gameplay. I will reform my opinion as more details come out, but this just is the same old thing as it stands.

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  User Deleted
8/02/13 3:14:10 PM#76
I'm more curious about how the landscape regenerates like the guy said. Is it an instant snap respawn that someone standing there might witness and be like wtf just happened, or something more gradual, less noticeable?
  Koroshiya

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8/02/13 3:15:43 PM#77
Originally posted by Amjoco
I was looking for a more mature game like the original EQ was. This console style game design needs to be rethought imho. They should have put time into building Vanguard from the ground up, instead of ruining the EQ franchise with Disney art style and Wildstar gameplay. I will reform my opinion as more details come out, but this just is the same old thing as it stands.

wildstar gameplay?  Seriously?  LOL.

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  eldaris

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8/02/13 3:16:19 PM#78

Funny how some people still think that "dark and gritty" makes a mmo more mature.Good thing soe decided to change direction from eq2 and use vibrant colors instead of the boring "realistic" eq2 color scheme.
Cartoony or realistic characters are both ok with me as long as developers create an interesting colorful world and not areas after areas of dark grey and brown (i still remember how dev and fans defended the boring warhammer world saying that since is warhammer ,every area should be dark and desolate)

  Waterlily

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8/02/13 3:17:21 PM#79

I love the concepts.

But the graphics are ridiculous, they're more childish than WoW, which means it will attract a demographic of children....so you can forget about any death penalty or forced grouping.

  Laughing-man

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8/02/13 3:19:08 PM#80
Originally posted by Koroshiya
Originally posted by iamjason1989
Originally posted by thyraven
FFXIV is a good example that graphic DOES NOT make a game good, its looks semi realistic but in a shitty way and the game systems is just crap. Id rather have a cartoonish graphic with good animations than bad semi realistic animations.

And now we have FFXIV A realm reborn.

 

Why do we have to choose between having good gameplay with unimaginative graphic and crappy game with aesthetically pleasing graphic?

 

Oh really?  FF XiV has complete destruction in its world?  WoW I never knew!

ARR runs on anything now pretty much, I have an old computer sitting around that is almost 6 or more years old and it runs it on standard graphics with 30FPS.

It's graphic style and art direction are far more appealing TO ME, than EQ's.

Which I think is what Jason1989 was trying to say.

I like a lot of the concepts EQnext is presenting, some of them sound iffy and I hope they are done right, but honestly the art style and direction are unappealing to me, and from the looks of it, I'm not alone.

So couldn't they have gone another way with it and maybe still had it run on anything and have all the options this game presents?

I think that is probably possible.

 

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