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  GeezerGamer

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Posts: 4899

7/26/13 11:08:10 AM#81
Originally posted by Nadia

I resubbed 4 months ago but quit after 2 weeks

 

I wanted to see the Panda content but I couldnt stomache leveling thru Cata

 

Cata is not fun

if a game is not fun - why bother?

Similar thing happened to me.

I bought the expansion at release and started a Monk then quit teh monk simpley because I did not want to level through Cata.

I picked up my old Pally and just leveled that through Pandyland. Of course I quit the game at 90. I remember turning in some quest near some fallen hollow tree bridge in the 2nd to last zone. Dinged 90, logged off right tere on the spot and canceled my Sub.

Right before the announcement of the cash shop XP boost, I was actually considering re subbing. I am so tired of Cash Shops, I wanted a game without one,  Then I say that......LOL.

It's the sad state of the genre. The next big title has as many threads discussing issues with it's business model than issues with the game itself.

  Prenho

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Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

7/26/13 11:10:57 AM#82
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

America is the only market to a lot of our friends here....

 

Eastern market > west for MMOs. There are more "successful" sub based MMOs there than here. A successful MMO doesn't need to be a WoW killer nor have WoW-subs. But needs to have a regular number of subs even after many years. Easten players are not spoiled as US players that are used to cry due to anything. That is why it is a hard time for MMOs here.

  User Deleted
7/26/13 11:13:22 AM#83

So if/when WoW drops to >200k subs, will people call it a failure? Cause I'm pretty sure its made more money than any video game in the history of, well everything.

  furbans

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Joined: 2/10/13
Posts: 929

7/26/13 11:14:19 AM#84
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

America is the only market to a lot of our friends here....

 

Eastern market > west for MMOs. There are more "successful" sub based MMOs there than here. A successful MMO doesn't need to be a WoW killer nor have WoW-subs. But needs to have a regular number of subs even after many years. Easten players are not spoiled as US players that are used to cry due to anything. That is why it is a hard time for MMOs here.

Which at least in China subs are not payed for but gametime and everyone pays for game time and which is more profitable region wise is questionable.  For all we know 1 sub in the US could equal 4-6 Asian players.

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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Joined: 1/10/13
Posts: 2835

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7/26/13 11:14:21 AM#85
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

America is the only market to a lot of our friends here....

 

Eastern market > west for MMOs. There there are more "successful" sub based MMOs than here.

The reason is pretty simple, the Eastern market seems to have a way higher tolerance for low content pure grind based games than the Western one.

A successful MMO doesn't need to be a WoW killer nor have WoW-subs. But needs to have a stable number of subs even after the years.

Agreed, I'd just add "a stable and sufficient number of subs". Developers aren't just there to make games, but also to make enough money to feed their families and take care of them.

Easten players are not spoiled as US players that are used to cry due to anything. That is why it is a hard time for MMOs here.

Disagree. See first answer. Most of the Eastern MMOs, the Western player wouldn't touch with a ten foot pool since they are horrible mindless grinds.

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage. First refund since I started MMOs.

Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO and GW2.

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  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11568

7/26/13 11:19:39 AM#86
Originally posted by Prenho

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

unless lineage has doubled their subs since 2007 -- thats no longer true

 

from ncsoft financial reports from Q4 2007
http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/02/21/q4-2007-ncsoft-s-subscription-numbers-and-tabula-rasa-s-financial/
Lineage
[Worldwide]: 1,049,763 subscriptions (down 93,936 from Q3)
[North America]: 6,414 subscriptions (down 585 from Q3)

Lineage 2
[Worldwide]: 926,570 subscriptions (down 4,693 from Q3)
[North America & Europe]: 79,986 subscriptions (up 943 from Q3)

  Torvaldr

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Joined: 6/10/09
Posts: 5939

7/26/13 11:24:47 AM#87
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Prenho

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

unless lineage has doubled their subs since 2007 -- thats no longer true

 

from ncsoft financial reports from Q4 2007
http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/02/21/q4-2007-ncsoft-s-subscription-numbers-and-tabula-rasa-s-financial/
Lineage
[Worldwide]: 1,049,763 subscriptions (down 93,936 from Q3)
[North America]: 6,414 subscriptions (down 585 from Q3)

Lineage 2
[Worldwide]: 926,570 subscriptions (down 4,693 from Q3)
[North America & Europe]: 79,986 subscriptions (up 943 from Q3)

The recent financials are about in like with the worldwide figures.  The NA servers were shutdown.

Curse you AquaScum!

  Nadia

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Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11568

7/26/13 11:26:32 AM#88
Originally posted by Torvaldr

The recent financials are about in like with the worldwide figures.  The NA servers were shutdown.

i may be mistaken but i thought ncsoft didnt report sub numbers anymore?

  Prenho

Apprentice Member

Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

7/26/13 11:26:47 AM#89
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Prenho

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

unless lineage has doubled their subs since 2007 -- thats no longer true

 

from ncsoft financial reports from Q4 2007
http://massively.joystiq.com/2008/02/21/q4-2007-ncsoft-s-subscription-numbers-and-tabula-rasa-s-financial/
Lineage
[Worldwide]: 1,049,763 subscriptions (down 93,936 from Q3)
[North America]: 6,414 subscriptions (down 585 from Q3)

Lineage 2
[Worldwide]: 926,570 subscriptions (down 4,693 from Q3)
[North America & Europe]: 79,986 subscriptions (up 943 from Q3)

Subs of L1 has increased since NA servers went down, In 1Q13 L1 had an income of 66 million dollars, bigger than the 4 previous quarters of 2012.

  Prenho

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Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

7/26/13 11:31:35 AM#90
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

America is the only market to a lot of our friends here....

 

Eastern market > west for MMOs. There there are more "successful" sub based MMOs than here.

The reason is pretty simple, the Eastern market seems to have a way higher tolerance for low content pure grind based games than the Western one.

A successful MMO doesn't need to be a WoW killer nor have WoW-subs. But needs to have a stable number of subs even after the years.

Agreed, I'd just add "a stable and sufficient number of subs". Developers aren't just there to make games, but also to make enough money to feed their families and take care of them.

Easten players are not spoiled as US players that are used to cry due to anything. That is why it is a hard time for MMOs here.

Disagree. See first answer. Most of the Eastern MMOs, the Western player wouldn't touch with a ten foot pool since they are horrible mindless grinds.

If content means doing the same instance over and over, I prefer the old style grind and drama due to guild wars fighting over world resources.

Western MMOs are made to be finished as a single player game withing the 1st week, 1 month for the laziest casuals.

  Nadia

Hard Core Member

Joined: 7/26/03
Posts: 11568

7/26/13 11:33:05 AM#91
Originally posted by Prenho

Subs of L1 has increased since NA servers went down, In 1Q13 L1 had an income of 66 million dollars, bigger than the 4 previous quarters of 2012.

sounds reasonable but still hard to quantify that as being subs

 

after 2007  (early 2008)

http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/01/22/world-of-warcraft-hits-10-million-subscribers/

Blizzard stopped giving regional breakdowns  (last we heard, WOW was 55% Asian subs)

and Ncsoft stopped giving sub counts and gave revenue instead

  DavisFlight

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Joined: 9/25/12
Posts: 2592

7/26/13 11:35:39 AM#92
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Well hey, 9 million of those subs never counted anyway. They're just people in internet cafes in China, not actually subscribers.

 

So, it's much more likely they have even less subs than that. In its prime, WoW only had 3 million western subs.

 

Wake up devs, themepark model doesn't work.

  Prenho

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Joined: 5/29/12
Posts: 306

7/26/13 11:38:04 AM#93
Originally posted by Nadia
Originally posted by Prenho

Subs of L1 has increased since NA servers went down, In 1Q13 L1 had an income of 66 million dollars, bigger than the 4 previous quarters of 2012.

sounds reasonable but still hard to quantify that as being subs

 

after 2007  (early 2008)

http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/01/22/world-of-warcraft-hits-10-million-subscribers/

Blizzard stopped giving regional breakdowns  (last we heard, WOW was 55% Asian subs)

and Ncsoft stopped giving sub counts and gave revenue instead

L1 sub costs between 10-15 dollars depending on the country, if L1 made 15-18 million each month during the first quarter, I can suppose that L1 has something between 1.6KK-2KK based on the first quarter of 2013.

  Grimlock426

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Joined: 7/27/12
Posts: 160

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7/26/13 11:38:57 AM#94
Originally posted by Frostvein

People that are trying to blame the games "downfall" on anything are being foolish.

 

Simply put, the game is 8-9 years old at this point and people are just getting tired of playing it.

 

Very few people play the SAME video game day in and day out for very long periods of time. The fact that it still has 8 million people this late in its life cycle is nothing short of amazing.

This!  WoW will continue to lose subs, will likely go F2P at some point, but will still likely live on for another decade, just like EQ and UO are still around. 

  BadSpock

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Joined: 8/21/04
Posts: 7750

Logic be damned!

7/26/13 11:41:09 AM#95
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Well hey, 9 million of those subs never counted anyway. They're just people in internet cafes in China, not actually subscribers.

So, it's much more likely they have even less subs than that. In its prime, WoW only had 3 million western subs.

Wake up devs, themepark model doesn't work.

Ummm...

Hope this is sarcasm... cause the themepark model works very, very well - depending on the game and the payment model.

Bad games fail no matter what themepark/sandbox model they use, and payment models can be successful no matter what the model - if the game is good enough players are willing to spend what the devs are asking for.

I'm a fan of P2P subscription based, but I'm not niave enough to believe F2P doesn't line the pockets of studios that have been successful with that model.

Now Playing: Destiny, WoW

  bcbully

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Posts: 7333

7/26/13 11:42:19 AM#96
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by Prenho
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Lineage 1 still has almost 2 million subs(eastern market). It is not a quarter but it is a good number.

America is the only market to a lot of our friends here....

 

Eastern market > west for MMOs. There there are more "successful" sub based MMOs than here.

The reason is pretty simple, the Eastern market seems to have a way higher tolerance for low content pure grind based games than the Western one.

A successful MMO doesn't need to be a WoW killer nor have WoW-subs. But needs to have a stable number of subs even after the years.

Agreed, I'd just add "a stable and sufficient number of subs". Developers aren't just there to make games, but also to make enough money to feed their families and take care of them.

Easten players are not spoiled as US players that are used to cry due to anything. That is why it is a hard time for MMOs here.

Disagree. See first answer. Most of the Eastern MMOs, the Western player wouldn't touch with a ten foot pool since they are horrible mindless grinds.

If content means doing the same instance over and over, I prefer the old style grind and drama due to guild wars fighting over world resources.

Western MMOs are made to be finished as a single player game withing the 1st week, 1 month for the laziest casuals.

Preach brother

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  Nadia

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7/26/13 11:46:17 AM#97
Originally posted by DavisFlight

In its prime, WoW only had 3 million western subs.

thats not true -  WOW had at least 4.5 western subs

http://wow.joystiq.com/2008/01/22/world-of-warcraft-hits-10-million-subscribers/

Asia  5.5 million players

North America's 2.5 million

Europe  2 million

 

 

  DavisFlight

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7/26/13 11:46:18 AM#98
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

Well hey, 9 million of those subs never counted anyway. They're just people in internet cafes in China, not actually subscribers.

So, it's much more likely they have even less subs than that. In its prime, WoW only had 3 million western subs.

Wake up devs, themepark model doesn't work.

Ummm...

Hope this is sarcasm... cause the themepark model works very, very well - depending on the game and the payment model.\

Haha, seriously? Didn't work for WAR, or SWTOR, or AoC, or TSW, or Rift, or LotRO, or any of the other recent flops. When a game merges servers and forces itself to go FTP after a month or so, and developers get fired, it did poorly.

 

  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/26/13 11:48:45 AM#99

Didn't work for LOTRO?

Don't let your hatred blind you...

Playing now: WoW, Landmark, GW2

Got a refund: Archeage. First refund since I started MMOs.

Top 3 MMORPGs played: UO, AC1 and WoW

Honorable mentions: AO, LotRO and GW2.

"The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent" - Qui-gon Jinn. After many years of reading Internet forums, there's no doubt that neither does the ability to write.

  Drakynn

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7/26/13 11:52:06 AM#100
Call me when WoW falls to under  1 million and I might start taking threads like these seriously.
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