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  Zorgo

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8/05/13 4:47:30 PM#201

I'm not sure 'calling the ambulance' is in order....

I mean they've slipped from being untouchably number 1 to untouchably number 1.

I'm not saying they don't have a problem to fix - but they've proven they can fix problems in the past.

Let's not close the book until we see them slip into the position of having to actually compete for the #1 slot.

- Next expansion/s could raise them back or beyond

- Next expansion/s could continue the downward trend

- Next expansion/s could maintain the current numbers

There are lots of possibilities for the future, why can't we just say, 'wow is slipping, let's see what happens next'. Those who say that age, or product life are the culprit - well, that seems short sighted to me.

When Blizz can change the rule set, they can add amazing content and blizz can and has amazed us in the past, it just seems folly to say there is absolutely nothing they could do to regain their subs because it is 'old' and reached the end of its shelf life.

 

  sado2020

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8/05/13 4:50:30 PM#202
I think wow's the odd duck.  It'll be a good while before they start feeling crippled about the sub loss

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  Briansho

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8/07/13 9:57:52 AM#203

Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  MikeJezZ

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8/08/13 9:54:30 AM#204
Originally posted by ThomasN7
WoW is pretty much done. No expansion is going to save them after the joke that was Mists of Pandaria. It is all about salvaging what you can and holding on to it for dear life now. Since Titan has been pushed back for atleast another 3 more years I see tough times for Blizzard unless they have one last trick under their sleeve left.  The only game worth playing now is Starcraft 2.

You are absolutely right.

 

All the other MMOs have more players now, so WoW will die soon.

 

Wait, what?

 

All other MMO devs would get nerdgasm if they had 7.7, or hell even 4 million subs.

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  Bladestrom

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8/08/13 6:40:17 PM#205
I think mop sales figured are around 3.5ish so full sub level is prob around 3 mil level which makes sense when you see server pops.

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  Tyvolus

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8/10/13 6:54:00 AM#206


Originally posted by RollieJoe
What's ironic is that if ANY other MMO "fell" to WoW's current number of subs, it would be considered amazingly and unbelievably successful. 

 

"EVE's only got 7.7 million active players now, doubt it will last much longer."

"A little less than 8 million people playing Darkfall now, better shut it down."

"Wakfu just announced they are barely over 7.5 million players.  Definitely dying."

 

See how ridiculous these statements are?  For a non-F2P game to have these kind of numbers its nothing but spectacular. 


if you were an investor and owned a chunk of blizzard stock and saw them bleeding subs, Quarter after Quarter after Quarter, you might care. something to think about.

  Mothanos

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8/10/13 7:04:23 AM#207

That army of asian bots used in asian net cafe's will be out of work soon, those numbers alone are in the millions.
Believe it or not, but WoW also has the most bots ever seen in any mmo created to date.
Just join a battleground and see with your own eyes that in some games 50% are bots.

But we cant say those things about WoW or the fanboys come out of the woodwork to prove they are just noobs,

Fact remains that no1 knows the real number of Asian players who dont pay a sub.
I gues that number is making at least 70% of WoW so called "sub base"

  laresloci

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8/10/13 12:58:01 PM#208
Originally posted by Tierless

OMG even hamsters get bored eventually!

Not unless you give them duct tape.

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  Jean-Luc_Picard

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8/12/13 6:21:01 AM#209

I've just read this:

http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/blog/10551009/?utm_source=internal&utm_medium=launcher&utm_campaign=wow&utm_content=news-textlink

That's obviously server merging, with a "smarter" name to hide it's true nature.

It still took them almost 9 years before having to resort to that solution, that's more than any MMORPG in history.

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  gamekid2k

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8/13/13 12:46:42 AM#210
Originally posted by Ikeda

Nadia,  I agree with you 100%.

Still, show me a MMO with even a quarter of the WoW subscription base.... Even at this point.

You know what?  I agree.  I hate all these Journalist calling for the gloom and doom of wow for few years now.  The argue how it should go f2p.  I DISAGREE.  They will stay sub UNTIL they are NO LONGER profitable, EVEN it it means just 500,000 users.  This is business 101. 

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  omimessr

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8/13/13 12:57:42 AM#211
I've done enough for this game.. and i need to move on....
  Sephiroso

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8/13/13 1:14:42 AM#212
Originally posted by Mothanos

That army of asian bots used in asian net cafe's will be out of work soon, those numbers alone are in the millions.
Believe it or not, but WoW also has the most bots ever seen in any mmo created to date.
Just join a battleground and see with your own eyes that in some games 50% are bots.

But we cant say those things about WoW or the fanboys come out of the woodwork to prove they are just noobs,

Fact remains that no1 knows the real number of Asian players who dont pay a sub.
I gues that number is making at least 70% of WoW so called "sub base"

the game with the most subs is also the game with the most bots...egads... i think you're onto something batman.


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  Sephiroso

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8/13/13 1:30:26 AM#213
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by Gravarg

These threads always make me laugh.  Oh no, the game lost this many subs but still has more players than most of the competition combined...it's so dead!

 

Anyone who knows anything about MMOs will tell you that subs gradually go down (well for the good ones anyways), then they get a boost with new content or expansions, then they slowly fall again...I'm sure ANY developer would love to launch with half the subs WoW has after 10 years...

 

ya but...but...all the current "subscribers" are Asian accounts who only play for 1 hour for 3 cents....

lets say they play 8 hours a day, everyday. thats 240 hours a month. 30 cents per hour is 72 dollars a month vs what we pay which is 15. Even if you were to cut that number in half and say 4 hours a day which would come to 36 dollars a month, that is still over double what we pay over here.

 

So to you and anyone else who likes to keep copying bullshit quotes they heard someone else regurgitate. Do the math. And kindly please use some logic. REGARDLESS if most "subscribers" are asian accounts as you say. What matters is what does subscriber mean. It means it is someone that blizzard has already accepted money from. And just doing some basic napkin math for you shows that even the less diligent asian player will still pay more than what we do for the most part. Even if you were to further reduce the halved number i came to, to 2 hours a day, it would STILL be 3 dollars than what we american/euro pay.

 

Is it that hard to use your brains people?


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  MagKiln

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8/13/13 1:44:03 AM#214
Originally posted by doodphace
Originally posted by Gravarg
I know alot of players have left in 5.3 for one single quest.  There's a quest (anyone player that's done it knows exactly which one I'm talking about) called Glory To The Horde or The Lion Roars.  These quests require you to PvP in a PvE questline.  What this has done is made PvPers sign up specifically for these battlegrounds to kill the PvE player with no gear and they get slaughtered.  They do this because the bonus for doing random battlegrounds is negated in full, and then some, but the utter number of kills you can get in these battlegrounds by killing PvE players.  Whoever thought of this quest idea, I don't think works for Blizzard anymore lol.

A PvE quest that requires PvP...isn't a PvE quest....just want to point that out.....

Yeah I am sure a bunch just lost it and quit the game...probably less than you suggest as this quest is a Legendary Quest line which doesn't just give you a cheap green item, you upgrade a Legendary weapon. So lvl 90 Char fully geared Raiding and questing crafting and having fun gets to this part of the line and QUITS I really doubt it.

Maybe a few quit that you know but my question is why would one quit a game so invested over 1 quest. Just stop playing because of one small roadblock....if they did goodbye. I want a community that wants to solve problems and quest regardless of the difficulty. If you ask me this was a TEST by Blizzard to see how people react to change and difficulty.  It's a SHAME that the community out there wants things just given to them. Green and Blue items sure little effort. BUT LEGENDARY items yeah you need to earn it. I think that we should praise them for making something difficult. That way when I see someone with the upgrade I can say WOW good job way to stick it out and get that. Good for you!. On the other hand most of what is happening in WOW is the opposite where people complain how hard something is and then they waiver a bit and now you see people running around with 1,000 legendary weapons in Stormwind OMG! GOOD GRIEF!. This is the true reason subs are dropping, not MOP not Quest lines, its the fact that the community is becoming a GIVE ME what I want NOW because I want it and I don't want to Break a Nail doing it. ITS MINE ALL MINE! 

I remember when seeing someone even get a Legendary item was huge, now people are complaining because the upgrade quest requires they do some PVP in a Battleground really, lets grow up some!

 

  Raquis

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8/13/13 1:55:12 AM#215

wow is old enough now to be free to play anyone still paying a sub. is of their rocker.

rather save your money for wildstar that is going to be the best mmo this year,

in my opinion and if you are going to play something else thats your choise ,your tase .

glad i have got taste.

  Grrl

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8/13/13 1:56:22 AM#216

Who cares if its on the decline in subscriptions. Its not like there's many options in the mmo industry, is there? The fact of the matter is that everyone will come back. They always do.

 

Besides, Blizzard isn't here to please every single one of you. You bitch and moan about every expansion out there because you don't want to adjust to "new" changes. How about you go make a game as if you know something about it by posting complaints; hoping Blizz will magically reverse everything for your sake cuz you say so? IF they did that, not very many people will be playing the game if it was STILL VANILLA (excluding a few that had started IN VANILLA - with resubbingx225727234 times) and that's a fact. It'd be called outdated and it has to be cancelled.

Anyways, they make profits through other things too and you guys need to shut up and quit trying to de-hype the game while it still has a lot of potential after all these years. It isn't their fault that Blizzard is shadowing every gaming company out there, lol. They aren't trying hard enough.

Sheesh.

 

/signed,

Still a loyal customer.

  Sephiroso

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8/13/13 2:28:00 AM#217
Originally posted by potlaki

wow is old enough now to be free to play anyone still paying a sub. is of their rocker.

rather save your money for wildstar that is going to be the best mmo this year,

in my opinion and if you are going to play something else thats your choise ,your tase .

glad i have got taste.

your post is full of more holes than swiss cheese.


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  Caldrin

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8/13/13 2:36:32 AM#218
WOW is very old now its not suprise that its sub numbers are fallnig a bit.. its only natural..

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  Loke666

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8/13/13 2:40:50 AM#219
Originally posted by gamekid2k.

You know what?  I agree.  I hate all these Journalist calling for the gloom and doom of wow for few years now.  The argue how it should go f2p.  I DISAGREE.  They will stay sub UNTIL they are NO LONGER profitable, EVEN it it means just 500,000 users.  This is business 101. 

Not true. Business 101 is that you should use the model that maximize your profit.

I guess Blizzard so far think that P2P gives the most profit but if they change their minds the game will go F2P fast.

I honestly think Wow still would be profitable with 500K players still though, at least as long as those players all pay $15 a month even if they would actually be forced to close dead servers for that.

All that does not mean that the investors are happy and Blizzard will surely try anything to turn things around, but I am not sure it is possible with a MMO after 9 years. The alternative is to make a sequel, Wow 2 could probably beat Wows record.

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8/13/13 2:49:50 AM#220
Originally posted by RollieJoe

What's ironic is that if ANY other MMO "fell" to WoW's current number of subs, it would be considered amazingly and unbelievably successful. 

 

"EVE's only got 7.7 million active players now, doubt it will last much longer."

"A little less than 8 million people playing Darkfall now, better shut it down."

"Wakfu just announced they are barely over 7.5 million players.  Definitely dying."

 

See how ridiculous these statements are?  For a non-F2P game to have these kind of numbers its nothing but spectacular. 

You can also frame it in. Game loses over 5 million subscribers in just under 2 years. Last two expansions deemed failure by community as they leave in droves. Less than 60% of the community remains from games all time high.

 

See how you can spin anything? You saying it is ridiculous is just saying that you prefer to look at it one way instead of how investors look at it.

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