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  derek39

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i <3 MMO's

7/19/13 9:51:15 AM#41

I don't hate it by any means. But FFXIV has my attention much more. Which is really weird because I'm usually a PvP player.

Buuuut times they are a changin' =P

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  SlyLoK

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7/19/13 10:16:24 AM#42
I am looking forward to ESO. As I am EQN and ArcheAge.
  Brabbit1987

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7/19/13 10:44:34 AM#43
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

 

The other reason why I am excited for it is because I at least am pretty sure it will have more going for it then any current mmo out during it's time. No offence to all the other MMOs XD.

 

Okay the above is your opinion but i would like to know how you came to it. Now, you are obviously talking about the games features so let's here why you think the above. Please don't say the combat or skills system because there are other mmo that let you wear any armour and use any weapon. A prime example is Archeage which also has 120 available classes to each player. You want to be a wizard wearing plate armour, you can. Obviously certain weapons and armour are better suited to certain roles but it's way more flexible than TESO. So now we have the combat skill system out the way, what next. Please don't say the pvp.

Really, it is as you said, it is my opinion. 

Yeah we have established it's your opinion but making claims like above warrants an explanation on how you come to that conclusion, surly.

Let's be honest, you can't answer it because you will be countered.

Actually it's simply a matter of that I don't need to explain my opinion to you. I am not a 2 year old, I am able to choose what i like and do not like. I am able to state my own opinions and very well know it is my own opinion. 

My IQ is 130+, while not the best, it is certainly not low. I very well do understand the concept of an opinion. Do you? I surely hope so, and if you do, then this discussion is clearly over.

Go do a mensa test to see your actual IQ (you can find one of them on their official website) because if we were to be bragging my IQ half brain dead from sleep sits at 145 according to one test but that don't make sense, does it?

Not sure what you are talking about. http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/question455.htm

Maybe the test you took is inaccurate, that is all I can say, or maybe you just are really smart, if you think it's wrong though, who am I to question you.

I have taken IQ tests in many places, which is why I said 130+, because my IQ is around that general area. I think absolute lowest I ever had gotten was 128. Highest was 137.

Average IQ is 100. People with an IQ of 130+ make up about 2% of the population on earth last I heard the statistics. or maybe it was 140+. You can look it up, it's information you can get really easily.

Edit: Almost forgot, IQ for children is different and is based on age.

  User Deleted
7/19/13 10:57:10 AM#44
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

 

The other reason why I am excited for it is because I at least am pretty sure it will have more going for it then any current mmo out during it's time. No offence to all the other MMOs XD.

 

Okay the above is your opinion but i would like to know how you came to it. Now, you are obviously talking about the games features so let's here why you think the above. Please don't say the combat or skills system because there are other mmo that let you wear any armour and use any weapon. A prime example is Archeage which also has 120 available classes to each player. You want to be a wizard wearing plate armour, you can. Obviously certain weapons and armour are better suited to certain roles but it's way more flexible than TESO. So now we have the combat skill system out the way, what next. Please don't say the pvp.

Really, it is as you said, it is my opinion. 

Yeah we have established it's your opinion but making claims like above warrants an explanation on how you come to that conclusion, surly.

Let's be honest, you can't answer it because you will be countered.

Actually it's simply a matter of that I don't need to explain my opinion to you. I am not a 2 year old, I am able to choose what i like and do not like. I am able to state my own opinions and very well know it is my own opinion. 

My IQ is 130+, while not the best, it is certainly not low. I very well do understand the concept of an opinion. Do you? I surely hope so, and if you do, then this discussion is clearly over.

Go do a mensa test to see your actual IQ (you can find one of them on their official website) because if we were to be bragging my IQ half brain dead from sleep sits at 145 according to one test but that don't make sense, does it?

Not sure what you are talking about. http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/question455.htm

Maybe the test you took is inaccurate, that is all I can say, or maybe you just are really smart, if you think it's wrong though, who am I to question you.

I have taken IQ tests in many places, which is why I said 130+, because my IQ is around that general area. I think absolute lowest I ever had gotten was 128. Highest was 137.

Average IQ is 100. People with an IQ of 130+ make up about 2% of the population on earth last I heard the statistics. or maybe it was 140+. You can look it up, it's information you can get really easily.

Edit: Almost forgot, IQ for children is different and is based on age.

Trust me when I say http://www.mensa.org/workout will give a far more realistic number XD ( most IQ tests I took back in the day were 122 lowest and highest was 144) because that pseudo-test has only one bias (english) whereas many others have 2-3 biases (for example the one that gave me 144 has a bias for english speakers and people with 3 dimensional thinking and math inclinations, be that I am active in the field of physics you can figure I'd be quite adept at it :P you need an IQ test which doesn't bias itself to get a more accurate gauge).

  Omnifish

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I'll kick your a**e so hard, you could build a swimming pool in the footprint!

7/19/13 11:02:32 AM#45

Depends how long you've been lurking here but my feeling is ESO is the new SWTOR on here.

Some people have already made their minds up, or the game isn't being designed the way they think is, 'true', to the ip, and they won't move from that opinion..

This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
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7/19/13 11:56:06 AM#46
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

 

The other reason why I am excited for it is because I at least am pretty sure it will have more going for it then any current mmo out during it's time. No offence to all the other MMOs XD.

 

Okay the above is your opinion but i would like to know how you came to it. Now, you are obviously talking about the games features so let's here why you think the above. Please don't say the combat or skills system because there are other mmo that let you wear any armour and use any weapon. A prime example is Archeage which also has 120 available classes to each player. You want to be a wizard wearing plate armour, you can. Obviously certain weapons and armour are better suited to certain roles but it's way more flexible than TESO. So now we have the combat skill system out the way, what next. Please don't say the pvp.

Really, it is as you said, it is my opinion. 

Yeah we have established it's your opinion but making claims like above warrants an explanation on how you come to that conclusion, surly.

Let's be honest, you can't answer it because you will be countered.

Actually it's simply a matter of that I don't need to explain my opinion to you. I am not a 2 year old, I am able to choose what i like and do not like. I am able to state my own opinions and very well know it is my own opinion. 

My IQ is 130+, while not the best, it is certainly not low. I very well do understand the concept of an opinion. Do you? I surely hope so, and if you do, then this discussion is clearly over.

Go do a mensa test to see your actual IQ (you can find one of them on their official website) because if we were to be bragging my IQ half brain dead from sleep sits at 145 according to one test but that don't make sense, does it?

Not sure what you are talking about. http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/question455.htm

Maybe the test you took is inaccurate, that is all I can say, or maybe you just are really smart, if you think it's wrong though, who am I to question you.

I have taken IQ tests in many places, which is why I said 130+, because my IQ is around that general area. I think absolute lowest I ever had gotten was 128. Highest was 137.

Average IQ is 100. People with an IQ of 130+ make up about 2% of the population on earth last I heard the statistics. or maybe it was 140+. You can look it up, it's information you can get really easily.

Edit: Almost forgot, IQ for children is different and is based on age.

Trust me when I say http://www.mensa.org/workout will give a far more realistic number XD ( most IQ tests I took back in the day were 122 lowest and highest was 144) because that pseudo-test has only one bias (english) whereas many others have 2-3 biases (for example the one that gave me 144 has a bias for english speakers and people with 3 dimensional thinking and math inclinations, be that I am active in the field of physics you can figure I'd be quite adept at it :P you need an IQ test which doesn't bias itself to get a more accurate gauge).

I have taken a non bias test since one of the ones I took was done using only pictures XD. As I have said, I have taken many tests, and I really do not think it's going to matter with the point I was trying to make.

On top of that, the site you linked only has a practice test on their site which is biased in the same way any test is and doesn't even give a score based on the IQ standard. I also am not going to go through the trouble of setting up a test date with them. To much of a pain in the butt lol XD.

With that said, less biased tests I get higher scores on, so if it's less biased as you said, it only will make my IQ score higher. However, I like to test myself with a similar test to everyone else takes. I don't like to be given an advantage just so I can do better than others even if that advantage happens to be a less biased test. This is why I never just choose an exact IQ and just say 130+.

  UchihaJoel

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Joined: 7/18/13
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OP  7/19/13 12:52:12 PM#47
When did this thread become the who's got the highest iq thread??
  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
Posts: 664

7/19/13 1:16:54 PM#48
Originally posted by UchihaJoel
When did this thread become the who's got the highest iq thread??

lol when I simply made a statement about IQ to prove a point that I understand what an opinion was.  After that, someone decided to start discussing about it for what ever reason.

 

Edit: Also, I don't think it's about woh has the highest IQ, it's more along the lines of what is the best IQ test to take ROFL XD

  GoldenTiger2

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Joined: 7/08/09
Posts: 39

7/19/13 1:33:16 PM#49
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by GoldenTiger2
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

 

The other reason why I am excited for it is because I at least am pretty sure it will have more going for it then any current mmo out during it's time. No offence to all the other MMOs XD.

 

Okay the above is your opinion but i would like to know how you came to it. Now, you are obviously talking about the games features so let's here why you think the above. Please don't say the combat or skills system because there are other mmo that let you wear any armour and use any weapon. A prime example is Archeage which also has 120 available classes to each player. You want to be a wizard wearing plate armour, you can. Obviously certain weapons and armour are better suited to certain roles but it's way more flexible than TESO. So now we have the combat skill system out the way, what next. Please don't say the pvp.

Combat & skills system looks good ;). Archeage is a traditional tab-target many-hotkey setup, and will play differently.

Your above line just tells me that you haven't played the game because you wouldn't be saying "it will play differently" you would of said "it plays differently" which is obvious because they are two different systems.

As far as PVP, well, why not say that, as it's by far and away the most important aspect to an MMO for many people and with Cyrodil we will finally have proper RvR once more, rather than silly capture-the-flag buddy-buddy 10-person minigames? just as robust PVP system, 

And other mmo's have just as robust PVP systems, three faction PVP but it also has player made factions, sieges, castles, forts, fully craftable siege weapons, player bounty system, pirate faction with a whole outlaw island, caravan routes, faction trade routes.

And all in what is a themepark mmo at it's core.

 

And yes, before you bother to flame mindlessly, I have played both. And yet from your above comments you know hardly anything about how the game plays, i bet you didn't even know the game has CD LOL.

 

ArcheAge combat is actually pretty robust and exciting, why you ask, well it has Collision Detection. So unlike TESO spells do not go through objects, you have to position yourself especially for PVP.

TESO has a soft targeting system so it has semi traditional tab targeting but no CD personally i prefer ArcheAge with the CD. 

Okay, ArcheAge is not an action game, as a matter of fact, it's all about customizable combos and strategies. Your abilities (active skills and passive powers) are determined by the talents you choose. There are a dozen of talents and you can pick up three at level 10. Each ability, regardless of which talent tree it belongs, can form a combo with numbers of other abilities, and you can choose accordingly what abilities you want to learn in order to make up an ideal combo.

There are hundreds of possible combinations compared to TESO.

ArcheAge’s combat system is based on the DPS system and adjusts the actual distance and position of the target. Separated actions enable characters to move and attack freely. Common combat systems only provide 2-3 attack modes, but ArcheAge integrates a wide variety of attack modes, which present vivid action effects in combat. That is to say, the combat system based on DPS elements can make combat more stirring and exciting.

 

You're illustrating complete ignorance of what you're trying to discuss, here. CD was in WAR too, and many other MMORPG titles, it's nothing new or amazing, in fact it is a detriment in many cases. I can't directly refute you unfortunately as I have played both games and one is under an NDA, but you basically are making much ado about traditional speccing systems and combat. I'm not sure if you're just a shill or truly that ignorant and a blind fan, but hop off whatever it is. I also truly cannot help but boggle at you trying to play semantics with minor phrasing differences and try to interpret it in a bizarre way to somehow "prove" your "point" (and I quote "point" because you don't really have one).

  sugarbear78664

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7/19/13 1:39:00 PM#50
I am tired of being in love with a game before its release. The endless list of mmo's that coulda been, shoulda been, but but failed. Now I just sit back, wait and see what unfolds.
  GoldenTiger2

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7/19/13 1:46:27 PM#51
Originally posted by sugarbear78664
I am tired of being in love with a game before its release. The endless list of mmo's that coulda been, shoulda been, but but failed. Now I just sit back, wait and see what unfolds.

Same here, except when I get to test and see a game extensively. The last game I felt had real potential was Rift, which was a good raiding game for awhile, and before that WAR (which had a lot of potential but ended up being rushed out the door by EA and ended up having the development pace and bug fixing pace of a snail climbing uphill in 105-degree heat) but that never ended up getting fixed much and hemorrhaged players. Before that, well... Dark Age of Camelot, and that one rocked! I enjoyed all three of the listed games and got my money's worth from them, though. Others like SWTOR, not so much... and TSW I unfortunately bought a lifetime sub for shortly before they made it "buy to play" instead of subscription-based, and it ended up losing all of its playerbase pretty much anyway and that resulted in layoffs causing massive development and addition delays, leaving the game in the lurch in addition to me rather peeved.

  Chrisbox

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7/19/13 1:47:25 PM#52

I wish I was excited for it.

Just like I was SWTOR wasn't a fail.

Too many wishes in the MMO industry.  

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  UnrealRpg

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7/19/13 1:47:54 PM#53

I hate these topics. Along with which game should I buy X or X.

Millions of people exist in the world no way youre the only one excited.

  GoldenTiger2

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7/19/13 1:49:04 PM#54
Originally posted by Chrisbox

I wish I was excited for it.

Just like I was SWTOR wasn't a fail.

Too many wishes in the MMO industry.  

SWTOR sucked in beta, I ended up buying it but I knew it wasn't going to do well, simply as a "temporary" game to play with friends. I can't imagine anyone else who got to 50 in beta felt any differently. I'm not someone who acts as a leaker or contributes to that in any way, shape, or form, so... ESO thoughts will have to wait.

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7/19/13 1:51:10 PM#55
Originally posted by GoldenTiger2
Originally posted by Chrisbox

I wish I was excited for it.

Just like I was SWTOR wasn't a fail.

Too many wishes in the MMO industry.  

SWTOR sucked in beta, I ended up buying it but I knew it wasn't going to do well, simply as a "temporary" game to play with friends. I can't imagine anyone else who got to 50 in beta felt any differently.

Agreed. But your not seeing the point of that post, an Elder scrolls MMO has a fantastic base just for being an elder scrolls game and they haven't told me a single thing about this game that is capturing.  I always save final review for beta however. 

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7/19/13 1:51:38 PM#56
Originally posted by GoldenTiger2
Originally posted by Chrisbox

I wish I was excited for it.

Just like I was SWTOR wasn't a fail.

Too many wishes in the MMO industry.  

SWTOR sucked in beta, I ended up buying it but I knew it wasn't going to do well, simply as a "temporary" game to play with friends. I can't imagine anyone else who got to 50 in beta felt any differently.

I went into SWTOR with the notion I would only be playing it to level up a character or 2 to see the great Bioware story lines.  As a single player experience I was pleased with the game, as an MMO not so much.  Thankfully my expectations were tempered.  I pretty much see TESO playing out the same way.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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7/19/13 6:16:33 PM#57


Originally posted by SavageHorizon

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by SavageHorizon

Originally posted by Brabbit1987     The other reason why I am excited for it is because I at least am pretty sure it will have more going for it then any current mmo out during it's time. No offence to all the other MMOs XD.
    Okay the above is your opinion but i would like to know how you came to it. Now, you are obviously talking about the games features so let's here why you think the above. Please don't say the combat or skills system because there are other mmo that let you wear any armour and use any weapon. A prime example is Archeage which also has 120 available classes to each player. You want to be a wizard wearing plate armour, you can. Obviously certain weapons and armour are better suited to certain roles but it's way more flexible than TESO. So now we have the combat skill system out the way, what next. Please don't say the pvp.
  in terms of themeparks, i agree with him that ESO is the best thing in development right now.  
ArcheAge at it's core is a themepark, it's not a sandbox mmo. The game has all the themepark features you would expect from a themepark mmo but it also has some great open ended features.

So where does it leave your above comment, it means that as a themepark mmo TESO is lacking any features that other themepark mmo's have.

It's obviously not the best themepark in development right now.


i wouldn't play AA whether its a themepark or a sandbox game and just because a game has certain features does not make it a good and fun game IMO

by the way, saying TESO is lacking any features that other mmo's have is about as misinformed of a statement i have ever seen lol

you are either vastly exaggerating or you just don't have a clue about this game apparently.

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7/19/13 6:17:13 PM#58
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by GoldenTiger2
Originally posted by Chrisbox

I wish I was excited for it.

Just like I was SWTOR wasn't a fail.

Too many wishes in the MMO industry.  

SWTOR sucked in beta, I ended up buying it but I knew it wasn't going to do well, simply as a "temporary" game to play with friends. I can't imagine anyone else who got to 50 in beta felt any differently.

I went into SWTOR with the notion I would only be playing it to level up a character or 2 to see the great Bioware story lines.  As a single player experience I was pleased with the game, as an MMO not so much.  Thankfully my expectations were tempered.  I pretty much see TESO playing out the same way.

Not sure why you feel like that. SWTOR was one of the most linear themeparks I've ever played. They tried to make you think differently by pretending searching for datacrons was the exploration explorers were looking for. Nothing in this game so far gives me the sense that this will be as linear as that game or with a lack of real exploration as that game. If you believe differently you aren't really paying attention....as usual. In addition, SWTOR's companion system, though it had its strong points, made the game feel even more  single player than mosts...along with the drawn out cut scenes that cut you off socially. This game doesn't appear that it will suffer from that as well.

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7/19/13 6:32:00 PM#59


Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by baphamet  

Originally posted by azzamasin

Originally posted by DocBrody everyone will buy it anyway
Pretty much.  Even I plan on buying nad playing, but how long will it keep me is the big question, as of right now I will go into this the same way as I did going into SWTOR, a game to be played till I hit the level cap and fin all the exploration/questing content.
  it will take a while to go through all the content from the sounds of it, unless you are a power gamer. if that is the case then i would say no themepark mmo is going to be for you in terms of longevity. but if they follow through with the claims they have made so far, there will be a lot of content at least.
6 hours a day is normally considered a power gamer but I also read all texts, wonder around for the pure joy of it and take my time doing things.  1 true power gamer will do in 1 hour what it takes me to do in 6 or 7.  Hopefully the game's progression system and 50+ & 50++ zones take me a few months or longer.

 

So yea I hope it takes me a while, my most personal favorite part of any MMO is the leveling portion so the longer it takes the merrier.  I also for whatever reason abhore playing alts so to me the leveling progression is normally a 1 time deal.


i am an alt maker for sure, which is why i like SWTOR more than most here. it is also why i think i will like TESO, even if it is just for a few months until i take a break, then come back, like i do with SWTOR

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7/19/13 8:57:52 PM#60
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by GoldenTiger2
Originally posted by Chrisbox

I wish I was excited for it.

Just like I was SWTOR wasn't a fail.

Too many wishes in the MMO industry.  

SWTOR sucked in beta, I ended up buying it but I knew it wasn't going to do well, simply as a "temporary" game to play with friends. I can't imagine anyone else who got to 50 in beta felt any differently.

I went into SWTOR with the notion I would only be playing it to level up a character or 2 to see the great Bioware story lines.  As a single player experience I was pleased with the game, as an MMO not so much.  Thankfully my expectations were tempered.  I pretty much see TESO playing out the same way.

Not sure why you feel like that. SWTOR was one of the most linear themeparks I've ever played. They tried to make you think differently by pretending searching for datacrons was the exploration explorers were looking for. Nothing in this game so far gives me the sense that this will be as linear as that game or with a lack of real exploration as that game. If you believe differently you aren't really paying attention....as usual. In addition, SWTOR's companion system, though it had its strong points, made the game feel even more  single player than mosts...along with the drawn out cut scenes that cut you off socially. This game doesn't appear that it will suffer from that as well.

 Well I look at it like this:

SWTOR was partially based on the KOTOR series and it was a linear game therefore I wasn;t expecting an open ended world.  Same could be said for Neverwinter, I love the game (the studio and developers not so much) and I knew it was a linear Themepark going in and was ready for it.  Now get this, Skyrim, which is the only TES game I played for longer then a few days. Skyrim the only reason why I play is because of its open ended world design and its depth and detail of the "points of Interest" system you can visit from the Compass.  The MMO version plays nothing like this because they have seriously neutered the only reason that got me into the IP.  The only reason why I will play the game even with its neutered exploration is because of the open ended class design and return to public dungeons. 

 

The reason why you do not know about TESO's lack of exploration, or more likely its focus on a linear quest hub design is because of the NDA.  But if one was to do some research you would find information I am saying to be true.  And the information is hard to get out due to the NDA but its there if one was too looked.  From what I've been told the game's exploration plays very much like GW2, you're still bread crumbed along a linear path but instead of hearts its through quest hubs.  And while there are explorable points of interest to be found, they are not as varied and aren't as plentiful as a true TES game, which I'll reiterate is the only reason I play Skyrim for just to refresh that thought.  I understand some could care less about that but I'll say this, I could care less about TES 1st person because I hate 1st person combat and felt its inclusion was not worth the man hours spent designing and implementing it.  You quite possibly feel the same was toward exploration centric TES content but you know what?  We're both right in getting the content of the original IP into the MMO version but it seems my preferred content is being hidden under an NDA and that makes me mad because to me proper TES exploration is every bit as important as TES 1st person is to you.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

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