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General Discussion  » I think the pricing model will cause this game to fail. If F2P, it would do well.

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  Doogiehowser

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7/17/13 2:11:44 PM#21
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"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
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OP  7/17/13 2:12:49 PM#22
Originally posted by SnarlingWolf
Originally posted by gxgunny
I have played the beta and they really did a wonderful job with this game, it has really good graphics, almost no lag, great class / job system and has everything final fantasy player would want including the long lost fanfare when you gain levels,etc.  However, the play mechanics of the game are very similar to any other mmo, kill 10 rats,etc.   I think this game would be dead after 2 months or so if it does not adapt the F2P model.   Why not create a F2P model with the sub option?   I just think the huge amount of players you get by making mmos F2P keeps the game healthy.    There are other F2P titles like this game like Rift so why would I want to spend money on a sub if the games are similar?  Yes and I am aware that there are successful sub games like WoW and Eve so no need to bring that up.

 I'm looking forward to the day when people stop expecting to get everything in the world for free.

 

Want something? Then pay for it.

Really?  So paying for items in the cash shop to unlock quest areas, new mounts is not spending money?   Also, there a lot of players that end up starting the game F2P, but end up getting a sub because they like it o much?   

  SpottyGekko

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7/17/13 2:12:52 PM#23
Originally posted by gxgunny
Originally posted by Raxeon

actully if it goes ftp it will lose most of its current players so shrugs it only needs like 500k subs to be making money on it ( ive heard they would be happy with at least this)

hell ffxi is sitll making profit at like 350k subs

They could keep the sub model if players want it, but add F2P for players that don't.  Options are good.  They just need to have a great cash shop with fair prices.

No.

 

To make a "good F2P model", you need to attract as many players as possible, because only a very small % of those free players spend money.

 

To make the game as attractive as possible to a huge cross-section of players, you have to design it accordingly. Very easy gameplay, fast leveling and very low complexity. That's not what SE want for their franchise.

  MidBoss

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7/17/13 2:14:53 PM#24
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by gxgunny
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
/threadfail

more like /gamefail after two months and going F2P anyway.   

No more like you fail hard.  Yoshi and SE already said there is no plan to go F2P period if they cannot support the game it will be turned OFF.  Not F2P.  Nice try 

Wow..lol. talk about being stubborn. He would rather shut the game down instead of making adjustments so that playerbase has a FFXIV game to enjoy? i have no words.

Could you show me this interview where he said that?

More like I am tired of Welfare babies wanting everything for free.  Yea this game will shut down if it fails again.  Guess what they shut the game down 1 time already to complete REBUILD it so it can be a sub game.  They will not do that a second time.  There is the door use it -------------------->

You still didn't give me the link? care to show me where he said that? people try to pass a lot of bull s*** around here as facts. if not i think you should take that door.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/06/17/final-fantasy-online-director-defends-monthly-subscriptions-in-the-golden-age-of-free-to-play-exclusive/

Two seconds in Google.

  User Deleted
 
OP  7/17/13 2:15:06 PM#25
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by gxgunny
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
/threadfail

more like /gamefail after two months and going F2P anyway.   

No more like you fail hard.  Yoshi and SE already said there is no plan to go F2P period if they cannot support the game it will be turned OFF.  Not F2P.  Nice try 

Yoshi will be the first person they can in two months after launch.  

  Smoey

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7/17/13 2:15:41 PM#26
I'd rather pay monthly for a game than have a user buy items to provide them better access to certain features of the game/leveling faster. At-least when it's a monthly sub everyone is on equal ground.

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  Doogiehowser

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7/17/13 2:17:41 PM#27
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  User Deleted
7/17/13 2:21:38 PM#28
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

You are short some brain cells if you think F2P is good in today's Market.  Its only working because the MMO Market is flooding with CRAP MMOS.  Not because F2P is so much better.  Every Game in the last 7 years have been CRAP.  You get to end game in 1 weeks and complete it in another week.  Why Sub to a game that has 2 weeks worth of content. That is why they go F2P because they have no rights being a game in the MMO market.  

  Dfix

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7/17/13 2:22:29 PM#29
If this game ever goes FTP I will stop playing. I like playing PTP games because it keeps a lot of the less desirable players from playing. I also can't stand the cash shop mentality of today's games. In-game items should be quested and worked towards. Not sold for real-life money.

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  Khebeln

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7/17/13 2:23:47 PM#30
Originally posted by gxgunny
I have played the beta and they really did a wonderful job with this game, it has really good graphics, almost no lag, great class / job system and has everything final fantasy player would want including the long lost fanfare when you gain levels,etc.  However, the play mechanics of the game are very similar to any other mmo, kill 10 rats,etc.   I think this game would be dead after 2 months or so if it does not adapt the F2P model.   Why not create a F2P model with the sub option?   I just think the huge amount of players you get by making mmos F2P keeps the game healthy.    There are other F2P titles like this game like Rift so why would I want to spend money on a sub if the games are similar?  Yes and I am aware that there are successful sub games like WoW and Eve so no need to bring that up.

If they would make a mixed payment model like you suggest they would have to implement cash shop and thats a beginning of an end for a hardcore old school mmo.

You have to consider that F2P or B2P games live off casual players, and games are made for those people. In other words hardcore players are bored of them in less than a month, as there is nothing to do, or the game is just plain boring.

Only exceptions from that rule are old mmos that after years of being subscription bases they moved the model to either hybrid like you suggested or went f2p. But its at the end if their life cycle.

The sub for F14 is pretty low, and affordable. In the end people who seriously play mmos focus on one only anyway.


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OP  7/17/13 2:26:41 PM#31
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

You are short some brain cells if you think F2P is good in today's Market.  Its only working because the MMO Market is flooding with CRAP MMOS.  Not because F2P is so much better.  Every Game in the last 7 years have been CRAP.  You get to end game in 1 weeks and complete it in another week.  Why Sub to a game that has 2 weeks worth of content. That is why they go F2P because they have no rights being a game in the MMO market.  

Lotro = Crap?   League of Legends = Crap?   Everquest 2 = Crap?   Rift = Crap?   Games are still going and profitable.  Also you should refrain from putting down others in your posts.

  Doogiehowser

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7/17/13 2:28:11 PM#32
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

You are short some brain cells if you think F2P is good in today's Market.  Its only working because the MMO Market is flooding with CRAP MMOS.  Not because F2P is so much better.  Every Game in the last 7 years have been CRAP.  You get to end game in 1 weeks and complete it in another week.  Why Sub to a game that has 2 weeks worth of content. That is why they go F2P because they have no rights being a game in the MMO market.  

Again trying to put words in my mouth. And what is with the insults? do you see me insulting you in any way? so give me the same courtsey will you and talk like a grown up?

It is not the question what i think is better but what majority thinks. I go with the flow. I never stopped playing MMOS when F2P didn't exist in western market, i am still playing when F2P is popular and i will still play when games will go back to just being P2P (not that it is going to happen anytime soon).

But when you see so many MMOS failing left and right it is just natural to question and ponder if FFXIV is going to make it.

As far all MMOS being crap in last 7 years that is your opinion and i disagree. There has been many good MMOS for example TSW, Fallen Earth etc. Even good MMOS go F2P. If being a good game and P2P is mutually exclusive...then WOW is the best MMO ever made.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  SnarlingWolf

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7/17/13 2:29:46 PM#33
Originally posted by gxgunny
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

You are short some brain cells if you think F2P is good in today's Market.  Its only working because the MMO Market is flooding with CRAP MMOS.  Not because F2P is so much better.  Every Game in the last 7 years have been CRAP.  You get to end game in 1 weeks and complete it in another week.  Why Sub to a game that has 2 weeks worth of content. That is why they go F2P because they have no rights being a game in the MMO market.  

Lotro = Crap?   League of Legends = Crap?   Everquest 2 = Crap?   Rift = Crap?   Games are still going and profitable.  Also you should refrain from putting down others in your posts.

 For the love of god, LoL isn't even in the same galaxy as the term MMO. It is a game of 5v5, nothing massive about it. CoD has a lobby and games of 20v20 40v40 and no one confuses that as an MMO. Yet so many people try to call LoL an MMO for some unknown reason.

  User Deleted
7/17/13 2:32:29 PM#34
Originally posted by gxgunny
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

You are short some brain cells if you think F2P is good in today's Market.  Its only working because the MMO Market is flooding with CRAP MMOS.  Not because F2P is so much better.  Every Game in the last 7 years have been CRAP.  You get to end game in 1 weeks and complete it in another week.  Why Sub to a game that has 2 weeks worth of content. That is why they go F2P because they have no rights being a game in the MMO market.  

Lotro = Crap?   League of Legends = Crap?   Everquest 2 = Crap?   Rift = Crap?   Games are still going and profitable.  Also you should refrain from putting down others in your posts.

LOTRO = NO GROUP CONTENT in the next expansion Its an MMO and you will have no group content?

LoL = Crap outside of a few hours of hack and slash fun much like GW2  which i gotten the same enjoyment out of D3 for that.

EQ2 = END OF LIFE GAME never going to return to is former glory period. so F2P is a good idea to make just a bit more money before shutting down

Rift = Yes crap end game is 5 man instances because few ever raid 20 man raids.  O BTW TRION is a $30 Million revenue company with almost $200 Million is debt (From End of Nations and Defiance) So they went F2P to make money back for their investors.  Yes RIFT is crap you can buy gear.  

  Kayo45

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7/17/13 2:39:32 PM#35
lol, nope ... not going f2p. Didnt happen for FFXI even now with minimal subs, its not happening here where the game actually grew on a sub, back when it was crappier, with no console support.

Get over it. Get better grades and maybe mommy will consider a steady $13 a month instead of $5 now and then for cash shop items.

P.S.: Sorry you lost your WoW account. There is always next semester.
  Bloodaxes

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7/17/13 2:41:22 PM#36

Are you seriously whining about paying less than 50 cents a day for 24 hours of playtime?

Man I love F2P/B2P too but P2P is not expensive.

Just admit you are one of those people that want everything free and let the thread die.

  azzamasin

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7/17/13 2:42:58 PM#37
The business model is the least of FFXIV's concerns!

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  User Deleted
7/17/13 2:43:31 PM#38
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by danwest58

 

Why do you even care.  Said how many times its going P2P. However a person like you will continue to BITCH about it not being F2P for you.  Period He can say it 1000 times and you still will BITCH about it not being the way you want it.  Do us all a favor hit the road.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

 

I have not even once said that i want the game to go F2P. However i have said that in todays market a game has to be really exceptional to survive on P2P model. Two very different things. But if you were here to read and discuss instead of hurling insults you would already know that.

Also i read the link but no where Yoshi said he would rather shut the game down instead of going F2P. Stop making your own stuff up.

You are short some brain cells if you think F2P is good in today's Market.  Its only working because the MMO Market is flooding with CRAP MMOS.  Not because F2P is so much better.  Every Game in the last 7 years have been CRAP.  You get to end game in 1 weeks and complete it in another week.  Why Sub to a game that has 2 weeks worth of content. That is why they go F2P because they have no rights being a game in the MMO market.  

Again trying to put words in my mouth. And what is with the insults? do you see me insulting you in any way? so give me the same courtsey will you and talk like a grown up?

It is not the question what i think is better but what majority thinks. I go with the flow. I never stopped playing MMOS when F2P didn't exist in western market, i am still playing when F2P is popular and i will still play when games will go back to just being P2P (not that it is going to happen anytime soon).

But when you see so many MMOS failing left and right it is just natural to question and ponder if FFXIV is going to make it.

As far all MMOS being crap in last 7 years that is your opinion and i disagree. There has been many good MMOS for example TSW, Fallen Earth etc. Even good MMOS go F2P. If being a good game and P2P is mutually exclusive...then WOW is the best MMO ever made.

O really they are better as a F2P game then P2P because they are good quality games?  If it was a good quality game people are willing to pay for a subscription, UO, EQ1/2, FFXI, DAOC, AC, and WOW all proved that point.  If they are not worth it people will not pay a subscription but they will gladly play for Free, or they will spend a 1 time cost to have it for life. So no its not opinion its fact because people have already paid for quality games more than played poor games for Free.

  DaezAster

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7/17/13 2:43:32 PM#39
Well b2p might have been a good way to go if they didn't botch the first one but since there giving those people that bought  the 1st game for free it's a non option. Now of course there going to say we aren't even considering ftp so people pay the sub. No one will sub to a game that is planning or considering that route, they will just wait it out then most likely. Many games have gone f2p after insinuating it wasn't going to happen so I would say it's always a possibility but as has been said they have a huge following in japan that will more than likely be enough.
  laserit

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7/17/13 2:44:08 PM#40

I would  be in favor of "FTP with subscription server's" and "subscription only server's"

Personally I much prefer subscriptions for the game's I play. I don't like the nickel and diming of FTP and when I read about people blowing $700 or more in a month of FTP-ing  I just gotta shake my head and sigh.

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