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7/19/13 7:51:37 AM#41
Play EVE if you want to see how pro's do multi boxing. 

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OP  7/19/13 8:00:01 AM#42

Once again, what i consider multiboxing, and what you consider multiboxing must be two wildly different things.



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7/19/13 8:01:51 AM#43
Originally posted by tristanryan

Once again, what i consider multiboxing, and what you consider multiboxing must be two wildly different things.


What you consider multiboxing and what i consider multi boxing is actually the same thing. Unless the person in question is gold seller.

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7/19/13 8:38:51 AM#44
Funniest part is the person links it on twitch and uses "owning" to describe what there doing lol. I would feel like such a sucker playing any game like this and would damn sure be ashamed to admit it let alone broadcast it. I can understand why a sub game would let this slide as the person would be paying for all those accounts but at the same time how many players would you loose do to this cheating. In a tab target game this is just as cheesy as an aimbot imo.

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7/19/13 9:56:19 AM#45
Originally posted by Waterlily

Almost all multiboxers use INNERSPACE and ISBOXER, which allows them to send commands from one instance to the next without swtiching.

Innerspace and ISBoxer is made by Lavish software. Lavish software are hackers, they created macroquest which allowed people to hack in Everquest for over a decade. 

They try to hide this fact now, but MQ, or Macroquest was made by them.

If the person is not automating then that is allowed.  If they are automating then it is not allowed.  Automation can be done with Logitech software.  Trion doesn't yet take a negative stance against macro or multibox software and has explicitly said they are not going to police the use of this software.  They will police automation and have methods to detect such.

Multi-boxing doesn't violate the TOS.  Botting (automation) does.  Trion doesn't consider syncronization software to be automation.

That's the answer so far.  And I've seen this guy on the Rift forums.  It turned ugly when he didn't get his way.  The community ambassador can't delete or edit posts and they are free to voice their own opinions and argue how they will.  If he got banned from the forums it was because he violated the TOS which I find ironic considering his complaint.


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7/20/13 6:44:52 PM#46

I played Rift when it released and my memories of PvP center around an infestation of  AFK people and bots farming battlegrounds for points. PvE was just as bad with mostly terrible players that couldn't work together or communicate if their life depended on it.

What you showed is vastly more enjoyable.  Multiboxing, actually makes me want to play Rift again. 



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7/20/13 6:55:58 PM#47
Originally posted by tristanryan
Originally posted by Purutzil
You realize games like WoW have allowed this for years and years now right? Its not remotely prohibited by any real games that I know. There is a difference between exploiting and multi-boxing.


Watch the video.





It requires 3rd party software, which is against the TOS. (3rd party software is also against the TOS in World of Warcraft). The difference here.. Blizzard doesnt ban multiboxers because WoW is a subscription based game on its last leg. Rift is F2P and there is absolutely zero reason to allow this filth.

Hmm... I used to multibox WoW many years ago and I never used any third party software and the game wasn't even at it's peak, research is fun...

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7/20/13 7:20:29 PM#48

Is multi-boxing wrong? No

Is using macro and bot software to control a second char wrong? yes

Games should actively discourage this sort of game play out of principle. If they build a game with character dependency then they should also build a mercenary system into the game that allows only one merc at a time so that if a server is low population or the content area level you are going through has nobody else around, you can still progress and have some fun until you get into an area with groups again

I would also want to see your Merc auto despawn when you enter a higher population area. This way grouping is always first and formost on player's mind if they want to overcome certain objectives.


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7/20/13 7:35:32 PM#49
Originally posted by Karble

Is multi-boxing wrong? No

Is using macro and bot software to control a second char wrong? yes

Games should actively discourage this sort of game play out of principle. If they build a game with character dependency then they should also build a mercenary system into the game that allows only one merc at a time so that if a server is low population or the content area level you are going through has nobody else around, you can still progress and have some fun until you get into an area with groups again

I would also want to see your Merc auto despawn when you enter a higher population area. This way grouping is always first and formost on player's mind if they want to overcome certain objectives.

You are unrealistic.  Such a policy, would lose the company how the extra "boxes" of the multiboxer even if such as system could be inforced.  There isn't any compensation for this loss of revenue.


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7/20/13 7:38:51 PM#50
Originally posted by tristanryan
.. Blizzard doesnt ban multiboxers because WoW is a subscription based game on its last leg. 

i chuckled.



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7/20/13 7:45:17 PM#51

Only problem I have with Rift multiboxing is now that the game has gone F2P I see quite a few people multiboxing ridiculous amounts of characters.  


Ran into someone just last night running 10 clerics.  Kind of silly if you ask me.


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7/20/13 7:55:50 PM#52
I hate to bring this up, but what do you think xpect in a free to play game? Seriously, people cried for free to play and now that you got it these are the kind of players that inhabit free to play games exploiters cheaters jerks ne'er do well this is what you get in subscriber games you get policing community support and active countermeasures again this side of things but again none of you want to actually pay for a game you just want to play for free. Ftp games are entirely about money generation, devs don't make ftp games to make you happy, they make them to MAKE Money. Therefore everyone is welcome. Sorry, but that's unfortunately how it is, not that it's right.

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7/20/13 8:04:54 PM#53

mmorpgs are tricky.  besides the impact on pvp, the more multiboxing and botting is allowed , the more players will be required to do it to stay 'productive' (unless there is activity that cannot be botted that gives better rewards for active only play, although players will always try find a way to multi or bot these) 


but the less it is allowed, the more gold sellers will control the games economy, limited only by the open world pvp nature of the game and not always then (darkfall 1, for example, had no botting but yes multiboxing, although gold sellers were able to successfuly farm enough to supply many players)


you might have your SB1 buff/summon bots, the AC1 unattended combat macros, eve online belt farming, market botting (true control of eve), 


in my opinion, the best system for me is one where players can multi box and can bot for good rewards , xp and loot, but are limited only by a fully open world pvp system.  i realize this is not everyones ideal system.  i can and do enjoy other kinds of games.


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7/20/13 9:13:59 PM#54

  It basicly comes down to bad game design.

  I begin to see why some people dislike tab targeting so much.

  Sure,  a company could take a zero tolerance stance on 3rd party software.. But Im sure clever people could circumvent that by using hardware in some way.. Even that that too is disallowed it is harder to prove.

  If you dont have to make a unique key stroke for every single action on every single character, then it is the most extreme example of paying to win. Even for games without an item shop or subscription. Worst case the company recieves no extra money from all of these accounts and they are driving paying customers away. When I said Pay to Win I was referring to paying for 3rd party software or an elaborate hardware setup. (Although in the case of subscription based games or essential items from the item mall, there would be some money going to the game.)

  I've multiboxed in a few games. But I have never cloned my keystrokes or automated what wasnt already automated, like passive shield block, autoattacks, /follow or autopilot. Ok I jammed a key with a piece of paper to allow my shaman to keep casting heal.. which incidently allowed, or forced, due to aggro from over healing, 2 of my shamans to tank pretty much anything in DAoC PvE.  

  Anyways, I have found multiboxing to be quite enjoyable at times and down right necessary at other times. But I would think this keystroke cloning would soon lose its allure for me. 

  Multiboxing isn't how the games are supposed to be played, but in most cases it only has a slight influence on the ingame economy. What was presented by the OP is gamebreaking. Sure "a coordinated group could take them down." But how often do you run into one of those in MMOs these days. Especially when the choices offered are: Join solo/duo and get farmed. Try to organize a group and get farmed. Spend weeks getting farmed trying to train a guild group. Or pay 5 dollars per month for some 3rd party software and pwn newbs all day long and maybe get owned back once a day.

 argh.. Im just rambling on THE END


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7/20/13 9:19:11 PM#55
At least, n00bs got a chance to own in PVP. In Wow  lvl 90 multiboxers still own in world pvp... in Outland.

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7/20/13 9:24:59 PM#56
Originally posted by thegreatestagain


you might have your SB1 buff/summon bots, the AC1 unattended combat macros, eve online belt farming, market botting (true control of eve), 



  I have no problem at all with this sort, provided you can kill them for profit. Although as far as I know that only applies to the macro miners of EvE.. But those I saw as NPCs that paid for for my enjoyment twice. once to CCP for game time and once ingame for me to get a better ship. 

  Ofcourse they did their part to ruin mining as a career. It was dull enough to begin with.. But since minerals were much easier to get from missions it hardly mattered. Mission macroers or belt ratting macroers were not part of my personal experience, so I wont speak to the effect of that.


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7/20/13 9:27:44 PM#57

I have my own opinion on bans,they are or more or less a way to avoid discussion and talking over a problem,it is a way of saying, "I don't care".

It matters  even more when you involve as mentioned the person responsible for doing just that,discussing a problem.

Now there is also a trend followed by MOST sites,people in charge which i also don't agree with .That is they tend to say if you don't talk to us in the proper fashion,we will ignore you.I mention this because i like others are not certain of all the particulars but i also have another opinion.Two wrongs don't make a right and never will.

How one person conducts themselves does not make it right for the other to follow the same ignorant or rude pattern,however such is life,that is usually what happens.This is also very important because rules or no rules,you can't use rules to hide your character.Example you can't act like an ass hat just because the other person broke the rules.

Everything i mentioned matters to both the site employees and the users,i just see so many poor morals carried throughout our society,always someone pointing a finger at someone else.Point is there might be ,could be a problem it is all a matter of opinion,either way Trion SHOULD be willing to discuss it on forums,that is what forums are for.If my point still was not clear,it means you SHOULD also treat their employees with respect  but even if you did not the problem should still be discussed.

My opinion is really undecided,i do know what problems arise from allowing duo boxing,example one is botted and often hard to prove,another is you are allowing the player that spends more money to have a VERY definite advantage.Are those two concerns alone ,enough to warrant Trion to rethink their stance,i would say most certainly.If their reaction is to SNUFF at anyone's discussion on the topic,i say it shows poor character by an employee representing Trion.
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7/20/13 9:31:35 PM#58

So in other words, you got an official statement from Trion, got official statements from the community people, and then proceeded to publicly discuss things like forum moderation and the rules that Trion setup for their game, and went out of your way to "call out" one of the community managers. Nice. Not surprising you got banned.

Trion made their position on the matter clear. You should have left it at that.

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7/20/13 9:38:29 PM#59

In my experience, Multi-boxing has always been discouraged and frowned upon in Online Gaming.


How Multi-boxing is dealt with is an entirely different matter.


Then again i can't remember the last time i read a Terms of Service to begin with, haha.




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7/20/13 9:51:11 PM#60
Originally posted by Neoyoshi

In my experience, Multi-boxing has always been discouraged and frowned upon in Online Gaming.



  Perhaps, but when it starts to hurt the game, developers are forced to introduce a harsher policy and to enforce it if they want to stay in business.

  I would also add that while the Devs might be frowning till their eye brows reach their chins, they often say it is completly within the ToS or EULA or whatever. Atleast until their customers start leaving in droves.

  Basicly its a cost benefit analysis going on.. when will it cost less to fix a mechanic or enforce a policy. And sometimes it is individual GMs making policy as they decide what is banable and what isnt.

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