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  NetSage

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Joined: 3/20/10
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7/13/13 5:41:28 AM#41
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by eldelpueblo
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by MegaTrAN
I've been in all the betas and I wouldn't pay a sub for this game.

if the only reason you'll play a game is because its free, then why play any game? obviously if you have been playing in all the beta's you must have been enjoying it or you wouldnt have continued after the first phase, so your post is really about your lack of willingness to pay, rather than a statement about the game.

I think is because people think that developers live only from air and river water. Remember kids, we don't need food, so don't pay for our services! 

 

Oh we'll pay for em when you guys remember that crafting a game is an art not connect the dots.

It's probably the most expensive and time consuming forms of art as well.

Expensive yes, time consuming... the greatest novels were written over the span of decades (and I am not talking multi-parters like Harry Potter, I am talking one book which may have come out in 3-4 pieces due to size constraints).

Considering novels are usually written by one person I would still say games still easily compare especially mmo's when you put combined time in there.  Remember it's not just one developer and there a lot of layers to a game.

  User Deleted
7/13/13 6:29:50 AM#42
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by NetSage
Originally posted by Dihoru
Originally posted by eldelpueblo
Originally posted by Phry
Originally posted by MegaTrAN
I've been in all the betas and I wouldn't pay a sub for this game.

if the only reason you'll play a game is because its free, then why play any game? obviously if you have been playing in all the beta's you must have been enjoying it or you wouldnt have continued after the first phase, so your post is really about your lack of willingness to pay, rather than a statement about the game.

I think is because people think that developers live only from air and river water. Remember kids, we don't need food, so don't pay for our services! 

 

Oh we'll pay for em when you guys remember that crafting a game is an art not connect the dots.

It's probably the most expensive and time consuming forms of art as well.

Expensive yes, time consuming... the greatest novels were written over the span of decades (and I am not talking multi-parters like Harry Potter, I am talking one book which may have come out in 3-4 pieces due to size constraints).

Considering novels are usually written by one person I would still say games still easily compare especially mmo's when you put combined time in there.  Remember it's not just one developer and there a lot of layers to a game.

Remember that some of the best games are made by a visionary (Lord British, Chris Roberts, Sid Meyers, etc) so your comparison falls apart considering it is often one man actually crafting the experience as an theoretical form. Actual game development (IE actually building the game) can be likened to printing the book.

  Doogiehowser

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Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1939

7/13/13 6:32:25 AM#43
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

Its all right. I don't think it will last for long as a P2P MMO. People these days just don't support P2P models as seen by so many MMOS going F2P.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4733

7/13/13 6:34:46 AM#44
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

  Doogiehowser

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Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1939

7/13/13 6:41:28 AM#45
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  mcrippins

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Joined: 7/01/07
Posts: 998

7/13/13 6:59:59 AM#46
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

Can you please stop attempting to predict the future. Star Trek had a horrible release, and while I've heard positive things about the game lately, a bad first impression can make a big difference. SWTOR was actually a quality game in some areas. However it was also a huge letdown in others. Seemed more like a single player game when I played. Warhammer is actually the only relevant reference here, as it actually started off as a game. FF has a gamer following. A loyal fan base at that. 

 

Something else to think about. FFXIV is an MMO being developed by the company that contributed/made the original series of games. They know what kind of world they want. They've been doing this for a very long time.  You take games like Star Trek and SWTOR. For the most part decent games, but they were just put together based on a story someone else told them. It wasn't their original vision. It's their own take on what it should be. 

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

  kinido

Apprentice Member

Joined: 4/22/05
Posts: 339

7/13/13 7:02:15 AM#47

Go to Google, type in FFXIV reason for subscription.

There is a huge article by the leader of FFXIV stating why they are going subscription based.

It is a damn good reason honestly, and the game is worth 15 a month anyways. 

Here, did it for you.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

PS - All mammals have nipples.

Get over it already.


  mcrippins

Elite Member

Joined: 7/01/07
Posts: 998

7/13/13 7:03:11 AM#48
Originally posted by kinido

Go to Google, type in FFXIV reason for subscription.

There is a huge article by the leader of FFXIV stating why they are going subscription based.

It is a damn good reason honestly, and the game is worth 15 a month anyways. 

Here, did it for you.

 

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/mmorpg/yoshi-p-defends-ffxiv-subscription/

Thx!

  Doogiehowser

Novice Member

Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1939

7/13/13 7:15:42 AM#49
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

Can you please stop attempting to predict the future. Star Trek had a horrible release, and while I've heard positive things about the game lately, a bad first impression can make a big difference. SWTOR was actually a quality game in some areas. However it was also a huge letdown in others. Seemed more like a single player game when I played. Warhammer is actually the only relevant reference here, as it actually started off as a game. FF has a gamer following. A loyal fan base at that. 

 

Something else to think about. FFXIV is an MMO being developed by the company that contributed/made the original series of games. They know what kind of world they want. They've been doing this for a very long time.  You take games like Star Trek and SWTOR. For the most part decent games, but they were just put together based on a story someone else told them. It wasn't their original vision. It's their own take on what it should be. 

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

Predicting future got nothing to do with what i said but the reality of MMO market these days. Game can be really good but majority just doesn't support this model anymore. 

Also i don't know from where you getting your information about these people who are noticing that F2P games simply aren't worth it.

Your last paragraph is pure assumption and speculation. Atleast when i say that P2P model isn't that popular anymore i have so many examples of failed P2P MMOS but you are just making up stuff as you go.

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Jockan

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Joined: 9/03/08
Posts: 4113

7/13/13 7:16:26 AM#50
Game should have been BTP or FTP.

  Darkway

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Joined: 7/25/11
Posts: 14

7/13/13 7:19:00 AM#51

It's the same old,tired formula.......

Release game,charge full price,equals money. 

Players require a  subscription to play.......equals money.

People quickly get board,leave,game switches straight to free to play via the already in built shop.........it's about grabbing as much money while it lasts..........those who want the game NOW,pay the price for it.

  whisperwynd

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Joined: 2/22/06
Posts: 1386

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

7/13/13 7:19:47 AM#52
Originally posted by mcrippins

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/study-claims-more-than-100-million-americans-prefer-free-to-play-over-traditional-games/

Not saying sub is bad for FFXIV but as for that statement, many would disagree.

  User Deleted
7/13/13 7:23:13 AM#53
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

Can you please stop attempting to predict the future. Star Trek had a horrible release, and while I've heard positive things about the game lately, a bad first impression can make a big difference. SWTOR was actually a quality game in some areas. However it was also a huge letdown in others. Seemed more like a single player game when I played. Warhammer is actually the only relevant reference here, as it actually started off as a game. FF has a gamer following. A loyal fan base at that. 

 

Something else to think about. FFXIV is an MMO being developed by the company that contributed/made the original series of games. They know what kind of world they want. They've been doing this for a very long time.  You take games like Star Trek and SWTOR. For the most part decent games, but they were just put together based on a story someone else told them. It wasn't their original vision. It's their own take on what it should be. 

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

1. FFXIV also has a bad first impression, remember this is version 2.0 launching.

2. F2P is no more or less a ripoff than P2P because innovation and the love of the art of game making is not longer present in most MMOs these days regardless of payment model. The few that still show some promise of being crafted not stamped out are almost all exclusively F2P titles, amusing isn't it?

  mcrippins

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Joined: 7/01/07
Posts: 998

7/13/13 7:39:01 AM#54
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

Can you please stop attempting to predict the future. Star Trek had a horrible release, and while I've heard positive things about the game lately, a bad first impression can make a big difference. SWTOR was actually a quality game in some areas. However it was also a huge letdown in others. Seemed more like a single player game when I played. Warhammer is actually the only relevant reference here, as it actually started off as a game. FF has a gamer following. A loyal fan base at that. 

 

Something else to think about. FFXIV is an MMO being developed by the company that contributed/made the original series of games. They know what kind of world they want. They've been doing this for a very long time.  You take games like Star Trek and SWTOR. For the most part decent games, but they were just put together based on a story someone else told them. It wasn't their original vision. It's their own take on what it should be. 

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

Predicting future got nothing to do with what i said but the reality of MMO market these days. Game can be really good but majority just doesn't support this model anymore. 

Also i don't know from where you getting your information about these people who are noticing that F2P games simply aren't worth it.

Your last paragraph is pure assumption and speculation. Atleast when i say that P2P model isn't that popular anymore i have so many examples of failed P2P MMOS but you are just making up stuff as you go.

My speculation is about as factual as your ideas on market trends. Doesn't matter because you still missed the point. P2P should be the way for so many reasons.

1. Developing games isn't cheap. In fact it's the exact opposite. 

2. Everyone is equal. No disadvantages/advantages other than whatever balance changes devs need to make.

3. Increases the chance you'll receive a quality product. The guarantee of monthly fees is better than *hoping* people spend money. (The counter debate to this is quite clearly that f2p games tend to make more money initially, and sometimes steadily). You can thank PWE for making this popular. Personally as someone who spends money in these f2p games. I freaking hate it. I do it because i'll why not get the advantage, and I value my time more than the dollar. But hey - i'll take a level playing field any day of the week. 

4. (This is a question) - Would you go out with your friends and not bring any money? Would you expect them to pay for you? If so, would you see this as fair, and would you continue to mooch off your friends?

Something to think about ... The Warcraft IP was not as popular as Star Wars or Star Trek. Yet, it has maintained the #1 MMO spot for almost a decade now. Following your logic - this should never have happened. Explain.

  flizzer

Hard Core Member

Joined: 11/10/12
Posts: 1156

7/13/13 7:43:11 AM#55
For me this game just does not offer enough for a sub, but perhaps hard core FF fans would disagree.  We shall see.
  Doogiehowser

Novice Member

Joined: 3/14/12
Posts: 1939

7/13/13 7:45:05 AM#56
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Soltek

So is FFXIV really going to be Subscription based? And if so will it have a cash shop? I'm finding it hard to believe. I don't think there's been a new triple A subscription based MMORPG since WoW in 2004.

FF IP has many followers who will happily subscribe for this game.

If it wasn't for the huge FF fanbase this game would have gone F2P within 6 months.

Sta Trek had many follower more than FF, Star Wars has many followers. more than FF, Warhammer has many followers again more than FF. IP and followers means nothing these days.

You can give IP fans a MMO which will cure cancer and they still wouldn't support it as a P2P model in long run.

Can you please stop attempting to predict the future. Star Trek had a horrible release, and while I've heard positive things about the game lately, a bad first impression can make a big difference. SWTOR was actually a quality game in some areas. However it was also a huge letdown in others. Seemed more like a single player game when I played. Warhammer is actually the only relevant reference here, as it actually started off as a game. FF has a gamer following. A loyal fan base at that. 

 

Something else to think about. FFXIV is an MMO being developed by the company that contributed/made the original series of games. They know what kind of world they want. They've been doing this for a very long time.  You take games like Star Trek and SWTOR. For the most part decent games, but they were just put together based on a story someone else told them. It wasn't their original vision. It's their own take on what it should be. 

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

Predicting future got nothing to do with what i said but the reality of MMO market these days. Game can be really good but majority just doesn't support this model anymore. 

Also i don't know from where you getting your information about these people who are noticing that F2P games simply aren't worth it.

Your last paragraph is pure assumption and speculation. Atleast when i say that P2P model isn't that popular anymore i have so many examples of failed P2P MMOS but you are just making up stuff as you go.

My speculation is about as factual as your ideas on market trends. Doesn't matter because you still missed the point. P2P should be the way for so many reasons.

1. Developing games isn't cheap. In fact it's the exact opposite. 

2. Everyone is equal. No disadvantages/advantages other than whatever balance changes devs need to make.

3. Increases the chance you'll receive a quality product. The guarantee of monthly fees is better than *hoping* people spend money. (The counter debate to this is quite clearly that f2p games tend to make more money initially, and sometimes steadily). You can thank PWE for making this popular. Personally as someone who spends money in these f2p games. I freaking hate it. I do it because i'll why not get the advantage, and I value my time more than the dollar. But hey - i'll take a level playing field any day of the week. 

4. (This is a question) - Would you go out with your friends and not bring any money? Would you expect them to pay for you? If so, would you see this as fair, and would you continue to mooch off your friends?

Something to think about ... The Warcraft IP was not as popular as Star Wars or Star Trek. Yet, it has maintained the #1 MMO spot for almost a decade now. Following your logic - this should never have happened. Explain.

Why because you said so? atleast i got many failed P2P MMOS to back up what i said..what have you given to back up your claims? more speculation and assumptions? 

Another person even posted the link to show that man many people prefer F2P MMOS to debunk your 'many people are realising F2P isn't worth it'. How do you know that? did you do some survey? some sampling? anything? ofcourse not.

Stop pulling stuff out of thin air to argue just for the sake of it.

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  deveilblad

Novice Member

Joined: 4/25/13
Posts: 149

7/13/13 7:46:44 AM#57
Originally posted by Squeak69
Originally posted by free2play

I'm sure it will be a dead zone like other subscription based MMO's.

World of Warcraft,

EVE Online.

 

Total wasteland.

ya exept they arnt, bu the way WoW is STILL making more money then any other MMO out there so I don't think you can call it a failure yet.

that aside this game being a sub game without cash shop, is just icing on the cake, for me. now that im in beta I can see for myself first hand the gme is well made better then most MMOs comeing out of late, and I know I will get more then my monies worth.

And here is an example of person not understanding sarcasm LOL !

  mcrippins

Elite Member

Joined: 7/01/07
Posts: 998

7/13/13 7:48:19 AM#58
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by mcrippins

 

One last point. People are noticing that f2p games simply aren't worth the effort or investment. Often times these people are the ones that are putting in money into the 'cash shop'. These people realize how much of a ripoff it is, and sometimes would rather pay to play a game where everyone else is paying, and the playing field is the same for everyone. Who knows, maybe you're one of those people that doesn't pay a dime. Which means you play for free, because others pay. Nothing is free in this world. Not sure why you would expect your entertainment to be, and it's even worse if you expect everyone else to pay so you don't have to. 

 

http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/study-claims-more-than-100-million-americans-prefer-free-to-play-over-traditional-games/

Not saying sub is bad for FFXIV but as for that statement, many would disagree.

About to head home from work so i'll give it a read here in a bit. I guess my problem is that games should never have gone f2p to begin with. PWE came out with a business model that made money hand over fist. Many adopted it and saw their player base rise. Thus proving the market showing it as a good thing. But it's not a good thing. All it did was lower expectations of players and developers alike. Now so many people EXPECT games to be free. For developers it's even worse. They can hope and hope and hope that their game is a huge success and/or the next big thing. Yet, all they see are MMOs failing. Companies going out of business or suffering from major layoffs. It's such a huge risk to even make MMOs right now. But yeah - I don't think many would say that free is bad. It's just bad to expect it. 

  whisperwynd

Hard Core Member

Joined: 2/22/06
Posts: 1386

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

7/13/13 7:51:46 AM#59
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by whisperwynd

http://venturebeat.com/2013/03/21/study-claims-more-than-100-million-americans-prefer-free-to-play-over-traditional-games/

Not saying sub is bad for FFXIV but as for that statement, many would disagree.

About to head home from work so i'll give it a read here in a bit. I guess my problem is that games should never have gone f2p to begin with. PWE came out with a business model that made money hand over fist. Many adopted it and saw their player base rise. Thus proving the market showing it as a good thing. But it's not a good thing. All it did was lower expectations of players and developers alike. Now so many people EXPECT games to be free. For developers it's even worse. They can hope and hope and hope that their game is a huge success and/or the next big thing. Yet, all they see are MMOs failing. Companies going out of business or suffering from major layoffs. It's such a huge risk to even make MMOs right now. But yeah - I don't think many would say that free is bad. It's just bad to expect it. 

 I certainly won't argue opinion as to why some believe F2P is a negative thing for Mmo's, principles and all that.

The world changes and we either have to go with flow or remain stagnant with our beliefs and maybe lose out on some fun. 

  danwest58

Elite Member

Joined: 5/14/09
Posts: 543

7/13/13 8:11:03 AM#60

Well of course Americans want F2P and near 100 Million of them do.  We have more than 315 Million people and 47% of those people dont pay taxes.  That sounds about right that many of those SAME people dont want to pay for a game, they also dont want to pay for internet, or food, or a dam thing.  They want handouts from the government who take money from hardworking people.  Guess what that sounds like?  Yes F2P games where they take money from one group to pay for another group who dont want to pay period.  

I am getting tired of the F2P argument being the future.  It is not it will FAIL in the business world because outside a few companies the majority of F2P games will never make a profit.  There is no profit when large amounts of people pay nothing into a system.  Thats why our government is in debt thats also why these MMO publishers are under debt too.  Dont think so?  Think again Trion  is near $200 Million in the hole from Defiance plus End of Nations, and were not making money on Rift so they went F2P to try to make a cash grab before they have to shut down.  EA spent $250 million on SWTOR and no they have not made a profit on the game yet. 

 

 

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