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  scritty

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7/12/13 1:53:46 AM#81

End of the day I don't want to play "twitch" based mmo's. So have whatever movement you want but I don't want a third person shooter/third person action adventure style combat. Leave twitch based combat for the kiddies games like Battlefield or Street Fighter.

 

  Dreamo84

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7/12/13 2:06:53 AM#82
Originally posted by Tierless

 


Originally posted by Xssiv
Being able to run while casting in GW2 makes it very difficult for me to play casters in other MMO's.  

 

After going Dagger Mage I can't imagine casting any other way.

All of the rolling is silly, but I find it equally as silly to stand in one place while a mob beats on you.

oh how the elementalist pains me! It's soooo cool but sooo hard for me to play lol.

  scritty

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7/12/13 2:16:16 AM#83
Originally posted by TwoThreeFour
Originally posted by bcbully
Originally posted by grenseal
Try Tera Online - it will ruin gw2 combat for u :)

Wushu did it for me. If I can't double and triple jump, sprint, dash, and control my movement when doing this, I feel like I'm glued to the ground.

 

oh and being able to scale walls... omg not being able to in other games is so 

Think you just won the thread.

 

Why not just play something like assassins creed then?Why do mmo's have to be dumbed down to "twitch" games?  

  Amjoco

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7/12/13 4:30:46 AM#84
Originally posted by stevebombsquad
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by silvermember
Originally posted by Amjoco
Originally posted by Foomerang

What I find interesting is you have some of the same people loving GW2 and Tera's more action based, less button approach while simultaneously bashing consoles for the "dumbing down" of mmos.

There is more to dumbing down a UI and action bars. With a PC you have viable updates, expansions, and even player mods that a console system just doesn't have. Usually, once a console game is out, it is what you get. 

True, but how many decent PC games actually have modding?

And out of that modding how many of them are really good? Except for skyrim, which half the mods were fixing or doing things the devs were to bad or lazy to fix, most of the mods were not that great.

Also Expansions are not only on PC so I don't see point, actually if you really think about it except for MMO they hasn't really been a proper expansion for years, just simply dlc which happens on both consoles and PC.

tl;dr 

My point being your statement is misinformed.

My point is hardly misinformed. 

At least weekly almost all AAA titles are updated, with patches or content updates. This doesn't happen on a console.

As far as the mods go, there are many besides skyrim, almost all of Bethesdas top games are set up this way. All the neverwinter nights games are also.  There are many games with mods, I googled just this, and that is just one site. 

 

Patches have nothing to do with "dumbing" something down. "Dumbing down" would be referring to mechanics. DCUO and Defiance are both on consoles and they receive regular patches. I think you must not be familiar with modern day consoles.  Sure there are some PC games that are able to be modded. It isn't the norm though. I still play both NWN series and the Elder Scrolls games regularly......

I know what dumbing down means. I meant the comparisons too the two in me earlier statement. Read the other reply to the post I gave. This is twice I have answered this now. There are many, many games that have mods, google PC game mods and you will see.

edit: This is one of the first sites in google search

And yes, I have am familiar with consoles. I have a PS3 and 2 XBox 360s. None of which I use except the PS3 for blueray. The games to me are inferior. That is my opinion.

There are many threads on this subject, and I was trying to make a quick point that there is more to just dumbing down between the two systems. I'm not commenting on this any longer, it is off topic. 

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  daltanious

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7/12/13 4:47:28 AM#85
Gw2 for sure is one of the best around for combat, animations, feeling, .... Not that wow or swtor are bad, just different.
  DaezAster

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7/12/13 5:00:37 AM#86
Some friends and I had this same convo the other day about trying to dodge in games instinctively now. I personally have tried a bunch of other games that have come out recently and though I have enjoyed some for the most part I go back to gw2 for the combat. I am one of those people that prefers a twitch style gameplay to a slower strategy styling. Different strokes I guess. 
  Jean-Luc_Picard

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7/12/13 5:16:23 AM#87

GW2 combat really gets you once you start to master it. Master when to dodge, when not. That's why some players can solo champions while others get their asses handed to them on the same mob with the same class.

There are videos on youtube... I don't claim being an excellent player (I'm not), but what some people who really master the combat are capable of doing with any class gives me something to look forward to in the game.

At 80 in GW2, you don't become better by adding another tier of gear... you become better by mastering the combat system. Bad players don't magically one hit you because they have two tiers better gear than you.

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  scritty

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7/12/13 6:28:37 AM#88
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

GW2 combat really gets you once you start to master it. Master when to dodge, when not. That's why some players can solo champions while others get their asses handed to them on the same mob with the same class.

There are videos on youtube... I don't claim being an excellent player (I'm not), but what some people who really master the combat are capable of doing with any class gives me something to look forward to in the game.

At 80 in GW2, you don't become better by adding another tier of gear... you become better by mastering the combat system. Bad players don't magically one hit you because they have two tiers better gear than you.

I see your point. Getting better at twitch combat is not something I'm interested in. A don't look at someone in Battlefield or GW2 and think " I want to do that" Being good at twitch isn't something that interests me at all. It's good that gw2 offers twitch, and that their are games that are not. Each to their own I suppose. Maybe being almost 50 is a reason why twitch doesn't appeal. No matter how good I got I'd never be a patch of how good I was 30 years ago, a want more cerebral gamin I suppose.

All that being said I played gw2 for a few days when it came out and quite enjoyed the pve side of it, then got bored at the lack of other gameplay mechanics that  add variety (depth?). Not enough to do outside combat when compared to say EvE where I have characters I love playing that haven't even left spaceport for three of four years.

GW2 is a good game. Great for free, and twitch has its place. hope it doesn't take over completely though.

  Volkon

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7/12/13 6:44:44 AM#89
Originally posted by scritty
Originally posted by Jean-Luc_Picard

GW2 combat really gets you once you start to master it. Master when to dodge, when not. That's why some players can solo champions while others get their asses handed to them on the same mob with the same class.

There are videos on youtube... I don't claim being an excellent player (I'm not), but what some people who really master the combat are capable of doing with any class gives me something to look forward to in the game.

At 80 in GW2, you don't become better by adding another tier of gear... you become better by mastering the combat system. Bad players don't magically one hit you because they have two tiers better gear than you.

I see your point. Getting better at twitch combat is not something I'm interested in. A don't look at someone in Battlefield or GW2 and think " I want to do that" Being good at twitch isn't something that interests me at all. It's good that gw2 offers twitch, and that their are games that are not. Each to their own I suppose. Maybe being almost 50 is a reason why twitch doesn't appeal. No matter how good I got I'd never be a patch of how good I was 30 years ago, a want more cerebral gamin I suppose.

All that being said I played gw2 for a few days when it came out and quite enjoyed the pve side of it, then got bored at the lack of other gameplay mechanics that  add variety (depth?). Not enough to do outside combat when compared to say EvE where I have characters I love playing that haven't even left spaceport for three of four years.

GW2 is a good game. Great for free, and twitch has its place. hope it doesn't take over completely though.

 

I'm a little puzzled by what you consider to be "cerebral" combat if GW2 doesn't qualify. GW2 combat is actually quite cerebral as well. You don't simply mash spells... you need to know the secondary effects (and sometimes tertiary as well) that each skill has. Some skills have an additional "when active" ability as well. The MMO I played prior to GW2 was WoW, and this blows WoW away as far as having to think while fighting. All that was was master the rotation then combat by muscle memory.

 

The original Guild Wars, another nicely cerebral game with a healthy dose of twitch thrown in as well (I mained as a mesmer). 

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  Naqaj

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7/12/13 7:24:23 AM#90
Originally posted by Volkon 

I'm a little puzzled by what you consider to be "cerebral" combat if GW2 doesn't qualify. GW2 combat is actually quite cerebral as well. You don't simply mash spells... you need to know the secondary effects (and sometimes tertiary as well) that each skill has. Some skills have an additional "when active" ability as well. The MMO I played prior to GW2 was WoW, and this blows WoW away as far as having to think while fighting. All that was was master the rotation then combat by muscle memory.

 

The original Guild Wars, another nicely cerebral game with a healthy dose of twitch thrown in as well (I mained as a mesmer). 

The core problem of GW2 is that there isn't much content that requires you to know your combat abilities that well. If you do the open world stuff, and you can kill one mob after the other, just standing still and watching your auto-attack go off, why bother learning what your other skills do? People have given up on the combat long before reaching fractals or even explorable dungeons, and the boss mobs you encounter in the world are usually very poorly designed in terms making a cerebrally  demanding opponent.

TL;DR GW2's combat is fine. Shitty AI makes it boring.

  Volkon

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7/12/13 8:33:52 AM#91
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Volkon 

I'm a little puzzled by what you consider to be "cerebral" combat if GW2 doesn't qualify. GW2 combat is actually quite cerebral as well. You don't simply mash spells... you need to know the secondary effects (and sometimes tertiary as well) that each skill has. Some skills have an additional "when active" ability as well. The MMO I played prior to GW2 was WoW, and this blows WoW away as far as having to think while fighting. All that was was master the rotation then combat by muscle memory.

 

The original Guild Wars, another nicely cerebral game with a healthy dose of twitch thrown in as well (I mained as a mesmer). 

The core problem of GW2 is that there isn't much content that requires you to know your combat abilities that well. If you do the open world stuff, and you can kill one mob after the other, just standing still and watching your auto-attack go off, why bother learning what your other skills do? People have given up on the combat long before reaching fractals or even explorable dungeons, and the boss mobs you encounter in the world are usually very poorly designed in terms making a cerebrally  demanding opponent.

TL;DR GW2's combat is fine. Shitty AI makes it boring.

Ah. Well, I spend most of my time in WvW, that makes a difference I suppose.

 

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  Tierless

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OP  7/12/13 8:36:46 AM#92

I love how complex everyone keeps pretending their MMO was. I've played em all folks, and in the end it always comes down to 12345 and (for the complex onces) watching some cooldowns that most players gets mods fo so that becomes easy too.

I'm not saying they are all easy and I know some of them are hard, but the majority are not, and people acting like GW2 is SO SO much simpler than so many other MMOs is just funny to me.

Darkfall was simple in design but hard to master.

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  KingGator

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7/12/13 8:40:55 AM#93
GW2 ruined gw2 for me, awful game and proof that different simply to be different isn't always good. All classes are utility dps and the combat is a poor imitation of console game combat. It isn't even an mmorpg. It was easily the worst 60 bucks I ever spent.
  Volkon

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7/12/13 8:44:48 AM#94
Originally posted by KingGator
GW2 ruined gw2 for me, awful game and proof that different simply to be different isn't always good. All classes are utility dps and the combat is a poor imitation of console game combat. It isn't even an mmorpg. It was easily the worst 60 bucks I ever spent.

 

You almost convinced me that you played the game. 

 

Ah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You didn't almost convince me.

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  KingGator

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7/12/13 8:46:39 AM#95
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by KingGator
GW2 ruined gw2 for me, awful game and proof that different simply to be different isn't always good. All classes are utility dps and the combat is a poor imitation of console game combat. It isn't even an mmorpg. It was easily the worst 60 bucks I ever spent.

 

You almost convinced me that you played the game. 

 

Ah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You didn't almost convince me.

played it at release, it is garbage. Why would I claim otherwise? If I hadn't played it there'd be no reason for me to do anything but try it, who wouldn't want a good game to play? There is a reason the avoided subs they knew no one would freaking pay them. Bad game is bad.

  saurus123

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7/12/13 8:57:41 AM#96
Originally posted by Naqaj
Originally posted by Volkon 

I'm a little puzzled by what you consider to be "cerebral" combat if GW2 doesn't qualify. GW2 combat is actually quite cerebral as well. You don't simply mash spells... you need to know the secondary effects (and sometimes tertiary as well) that each skill has. Some skills have an additional "when active" ability as well. The MMO I played prior to GW2 was WoW, and this blows WoW away as far as having to think while fighting. All that was was master the rotation then combat by muscle memory.

 

The original Guild Wars, another nicely cerebral game with a healthy dose of twitch thrown in as well (I mained as a mesmer). 

The core problem of GW2 is that there isn't much content that requires you to know your combat abilities that well. If you do the open world stuff, and you can kill one mob after the other, just standing still and watching your auto-attack go off, why bother learning what your other skills do? People have given up on the combat long before reaching fractals or even explorable dungeons, and the boss mobs you encounter in the world are usually very poorly designed in terms making a cerebrally  demanding opponent.

TL;DR GW2's combat is fine. Shitty AI makes it boring.

yes show me how you kill mobs by auto attacking only :)

maybe in the first few lvl you can do that

  Volkon

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7/12/13 8:59:42 AM#97
Originally posted by KingGator
Originally posted by Volkon
Originally posted by KingGator
GW2 ruined gw2 for me, awful game and proof that different simply to be different isn't always good. All classes are utility dps and the combat is a poor imitation of console game combat. It isn't even an mmorpg. It was easily the worst 60 bucks I ever spent.

 

You almost convinced me that you played the game. 

 

Ah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You didn't almost convince me.

played it at release, it is garbage. Why would I claim otherwise? If I hadn't played it there'd be no reason for me to do anything but try it, who wouldn't want a good game to play? There is a reason the avoided subs they knew no one would freaking pay them. Bad game is bad.

 

Wait... you played it at release some eight months ago, quit, and are still trolling the game today even though there are many changes and improvements? This is easily one of if the best MMOs on the market today. I shudder to think what games you consider better. 

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  Tierless

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OP  7/12/13 9:05:04 AM#98


Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by KingGator GW2 ruined gw2 for me, awful game and proof that different simply to be different isn't always good. All classes are utility dps and the combat is a poor imitation of console game combat. It isn't even an mmorpg. It was easily the worst 60 bucks I ever spent.
  You almost convinced me that you played the game.    Ah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You didn't almost convince me.
played it at release, it is garbage. Why would I claim otherwise? If I hadn't played it there'd be no reason for me to do anything but try it, who wouldn't want a good game to play? There is a reason the avoided subs they knew no one would freaking pay them. Bad game is bad.
 

Wait... you played it at release some eight months ago, quit, and are still trolling the game today even though there are many changes and improvements? This is easily one of if the best MMOs on the market today. I shudder to think what games you consider better. 


I play it but I'm not sure where these "changes and improvements" you speak of are...feels just about the same other than some minor tweaks, but then again I keep my knowledge of the games details very shallow.

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  KingGator

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7/12/13 9:41:02 AM#99
I am not trolling it, merely pointing out that the vast majority of gamers don't agree with the vocal fanboi faction re this game. And good christ, even swtor is better than gw2 and I quit that game due to its manifest fail as well. Bad game is bad.
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7/12/13 9:41:58 AM#100
Originally posted by Tierless

 


Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by KingGator

Originally posted by Volkon

Originally posted by KingGator GW2 ruined gw2 for me, awful game and proof that different simply to be different isn't always good. All classes are utility dps and the combat is a poor imitation of console game combat. It isn't even an mmorpg. It was easily the worst 60 bucks I ever spent.
  You almost convinced me that you played the game.    Ah, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said that. You didn't almost convince me.
played it at release, it is garbage. Why would I claim otherwise? If I hadn't played it there'd be no reason for me to do anything but try it, who wouldn't want a good game to play? There is a reason the avoided subs they knew no one would freaking pay them. Bad game is bad.
 

 

Wait... you played it at release some eight months ago, quit, and are still trolling the game today even though there are many changes and improvements? This is easily one of if the best MMOs on the market today. I shudder to think what games you consider better. 


 

I play it but I'm not sure where these "changes and improvements" you speak of are...feels just about the same other than some minor tweaks, but then again I keep my knowledge of the games details very shallow.

There aren't any that are significant I'd wager, he's one of those fans that is threatened by critique of his favorite toy.

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