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  Theocritus

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7/10/13 10:24:52 PM#41
I have no problem with  it being f2p at all...I figure I spent so much on EQ1 for 5 years tha tthey owe me a few years of free time now.
  stayBlind

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7/10/13 10:29:09 PM#42
Originally posted by Darkarai79
idk about you but id rather not waste 60-70$ on a game that might or might not suck. Reading reviews doesn't do it for me either, people will always have opinions so now that F2P has come around im glad i get to try something before hand, you wouldn't buy a box at a restaurant and trust the waiter's opinion saying its amazing deal! lol you might get some crap on a stick and your down 60$....

Yea, except now you get 1 bite of steak to decide if you like it or not. If you like it you have to pay 20$ for each new bite of steak, which costs you more than if you just spent 60$ on it in the first place

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  rojoArcueid

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7/10/13 10:37:36 PM#43
Originally posted by Latronus
 

I'd pay a sub no problem.  I can't stand what comes with F2P (pay-to-win mechanics) and B2P (GW2) isn't much better.  I'm sure they will use the same cash shop as they do in EQ2 so no big deal for me... that is as long as it IS just like EQ2s.

if the game is worth a sub its ok. But im curious about something here. Why isnt the GW2 model much better than a p2w free to play? You say F2P are pay to win but dont give examples of how the B2P is bad..... How is it bad? If you dont have facts as examples dont say something is bad just because your preference is a different one. You are only making your own comments less credible and your b2p claim is false. GW2 is successful with that model and they are not p2w. So its a good model mainly because everyone purchased the box in order to play, and when they decide to release expansions everyone will buy it if they want that content.

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  tank017

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7/10/13 10:43:16 PM#44

I dont mind thats its F2P..

 

I end up spending less money when its F2P anyway.

  Gallus85

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7/10/13 10:43:37 PM#45

I didn't mind paying $60 and $15 a month, I never have.  Even on bad games, MMO or other, even if a game wasn't good, I generally got at least $60 worth of entertainment out of it (For example, it costs $10 to go to the movies, so if I played a $60 video game for 6-8 hours, and never played it again, I still wouldn't feel "ripped off", and very few games over the years have only given me that little entertainment)

F2P model works great because it's no risk.  Come on in and try us out.  If you like us, buy stuff, if not, no harm done.  It works like advertising on crack.

It also tends to bring in more money from the people who are really dedicated to the game (Instead of $15 a month, they might spend $20, $30, $50, whatever).

So F2P gets the game into the hands of a lot more people, and then the people who do spend money on it end up being a larger pool of players, and they tend to spend more.

It's a great business model.  It can cost us hardcore players more cash, so we sometimes get sour about it.  But in the end, if you really like a game, what's a few hundred bucks every few months to support a great game you really enjoy?

You probably spend more money on that useless cable package you got just to watch Game of Thrones lol.

Also, as proven by SOE, they don't really do Pay 2 Win.  Planetside 2 is a great example.  You can earn everything in the game, and even the things you can buy aren't really "improvements", they're just different.  Different firing rates on guns, different skins for vehicles and armor, etc.  But they're all balanced with the starting gear.

Buying things in the game is nice to get that unlock a little quicker, but a lvl 1 nooby is statistically almost as powerful as even the most hooked up veteran.

I hear people complain about EQ2, but to me it doesn't sound that bad.

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  Sinaku

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7/10/13 10:50:32 PM#46

I wouldn't say SE has the best or worst F2P system so I am not too bummed about this. While I am on the fence until I get more info being F2P will mean I will definitely try it out. F2P is the market right now whether we like it or not (not really a big fan of F2P cause I'd rather pay a sub). The only problem I forsee is that there are too many chances for extremely economical harms in a cash shop for sand box based games :/

  Hokie

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7/11/13 1:48:23 AM#47

My biggest fear and one of the main reason I dislike F2P is that it encourages companies to start charging for everything.

Well maybe not charging for everything. But it encourages them to limit things in game so that you have to buy it instead.

"Want more storage space, well we (the devs) were going to give you 40 slot backpack and a 100 slot bank, but we decided to give you a 20 backpack and you can spend 2.99 per 10 slots added. And your bank tab, you can have 50 slots and then buy extra slots at 1.99 per 10. And if you want an extra bank tab its 9.99 but each 10 row is only .99 for the second and third tabs."

"Want a riding mount, no problem. You can get one without using RL money (or currency that can only be purchased with RL money), but it only increases speed by 25%. want to got 50% faster than run speed well thats only 2.99. Want to got 100% well its only another 2.99 after you purchase the 50% boost."

 

This is what has always worried me about F2P games. And they will do it, because they have to have a source of income. And then there is the problem of what happens when the people have bought all the convience purchaces?  They'll have to come up with more expensive ones, or start charging for every little thing.

 

 

 

 

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  Grahor

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7/11/13 1:57:33 AM#48
If it weren't F2P I wouldn't even try it. This way, I'll try it eventually, not at launch, but eventually, and if it's a good game, I'll spend $20 or so on it. And if it's not, well, nothing lost.
  Anthur

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7/11/13 2:21:06 AM#49

I don't mind F2P as long as there is a subscription option too. If the game is worth it I will subscribe anyway. If it is crap even F2P won't make me stay.

Usually I play F2P games as long as they are really free. But of course there is the moment where you have to buy from the cash shop to keep playing (or you want to do some insane grinding). Then I check how much it would cost me to keep playing which most of the time is much more than any subscription plan. So I usually stop playing then.

Another factor is that when I spend money I always check in my mind if it is still worth the money. As I have to spend money much more often in F2P (although in smaller doses of course) I usually quit them much sooner than a subscription game. Actually I know no F2P MMO where I kept playing for more than a few weeks or max. months where I didn't either subscribe or quit the game.

But that's just me.

  Gholos

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7/11/13 3:31:59 AM#50
I prefer to pay a montly subscription and have no items shop in game


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  Vutar

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7/11/13 6:07:39 AM#51
Originally posted by hMJem
Originally posted by Vutar
Originally posted by observer
I would rather have it as buy to play, because EQ2's F2P system is awful, and i wouldn't want EQN to copy that model.  The best f2p i've seen so far is Rift's system, despite the pay to win gear in their shop.  The upsides to a F2P system though is that it will bring so many players to the game as opposed to a buy to play option.  Both have their positives and negatives.  It's best to wait to see SOE reveal it.

 

The "upside" that you list for F2P is in reality the downside. "Bringing in many players" is code for bringing in thousands of children who otherwise would not be allowed to play.

Why should you be more "warranted" to play a game than a 15 year old?

 

Just curious. Unless youre just saying "I dont want to play with young people" then just say it. Sorry to tell you, but companies dont value you more than any other person who plays their game.

 

And dont tell me someone is quoting a FFXIV developer/lead guy. A game so bad they had to literally remake it and re-release it because it was so terrible its first time around. The same people are going to play FFXIV:ARR that played version 1.0, they likely won't see growth with that title.

 

 

 I don't want to play with children, the immature, the trolls that populate F2P games. The reason those games have such a high population of those types is because they are free. They do not require payment. There is no investment into the game for these people so they can act however they like. If there account gets banned they simply make a new one for free and continue on.

 

I find it comical that you use FFXIV to try and prove a point while ignoring the number of F2P failures that are too numerous to count.

  Lyrian

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7/11/13 8:05:58 AM#52
I would pay Legend Server level subscription prices ($39.99 monthly) if the game has quality and gives me a reward for being a subscriber. I'm all for restricted access for F2P/B2P players until they subscribe.
  nerovipus32

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7/11/13 8:08:28 AM#53
If the game is good i could care less what type of payment model they go for.
  nerovipus32

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7/11/13 8:11:24 AM#54
Originally posted by Vutar
Originally posted by hMJem
Originally posted by Vutar
Originally posted by observer
I would rather have it as buy to play, because EQ2's F2P system is awful, and i wouldn't want EQN to copy that model.  The best f2p i've seen so far is Rift's system, despite the pay to win gear in their shop.  The upsides to a F2P system though is that it will bring so many players to the game as opposed to a buy to play option.  Both have their positives and negatives.  It's best to wait to see SOE reveal it.

 

The "upside" that you list for F2P is in reality the downside. "Bringing in many players" is code for bringing in thousands of children who otherwise would not be allowed to play.

Why should you be more "warranted" to play a game than a 15 year old?

 

Just curious. Unless youre just saying "I dont want to play with young people" then just say it. Sorry to tell you, but companies dont value you more than any other person who plays their game.

 

And dont tell me someone is quoting a FFXIV developer/lead guy. A game so bad they had to literally remake it and re-release it because it was so terrible its first time around. The same people are going to play FFXIV:ARR that played version 1.0, they likely won't see growth with that title.

 

 

 I don't want to play with children, the immature, the trolls that populate F2P games. The reason those games have such a high population of those types is because they are free. They do not require payment. There is no investment into the game for these people so they can act however they like. If there account gets banned they simply make a new one for free and continue on.

 

I find it comical that you use FFXIV to try and prove a point while ignoring the number of F2P failures that are too numerous to count.

I can name 6 p2p failures off the top of my head. rift, age of conan, swtor, the secret world, Aion and tera

  Tibbz

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7/11/13 8:28:19 AM#55

I can pretty much bet it will be Buy To Play with a cash shop and a Freemium model a la EQ2.  

If they sell it for 50 - 100 bucks (Regular/collectors) people will shell out the money for it.

IF they charge a sub, people will pay for it

if they have an item shop with a Unicorn with flaming hoofs, people will pay for it

They are a business with investors when it comes down to it.  If it goes 100% Free to pay (no box purchase) then i would be surprised.  Either way I am jumping on it.  

  Nadia

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7/11/13 8:50:08 AM#56
Originally posted by killahh

all i see are rumors about ftp, ill just wait for the soe live announcement.

it was confirmed at Pax 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVIIIZ6ETtYa

around 4:45

 

interviewer:    is EQN ftp?

Smokejumper: yes

 

  hMJem

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7/11/13 8:54:05 AM#57
Originally posted by Tibbz

I can pretty much bet it will be Buy To Play with a cash shop and a Freemium model a la EQ2.  

If they sell it for 50 - 100 bucks (Regular/collectors) people will shell out the money for it.

IF they charge a sub, people will pay for it

if they have an item shop with a Unicorn with flaming hoofs, people will pay for it

They are a business with investors when it comes down to it.  If it goes 100% Free to pay (no box purchase) then i would be surprised.  Either way I am jumping on it.  

EQN has already been confirmed to be free to play. F2P is the future SOE says.

 

F2P as in, download the game day 1 from the internet and you're good to go.

  Tibbz

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7/11/13 10:02:44 AM#58
Originally posted by hMJem
Originally posted by Tibbz

I can pretty much bet it will be Buy To Play with a cash shop and a Freemium model a la EQ2.  

If they sell it for 50 - 100 bucks (Regular/collectors) people will shell out the money for it.

IF they charge a sub, people will pay for it

if they have an item shop with a Unicorn with flaming hoofs, people will pay for it

They are a business with investors when it comes down to it.  If it goes 100% Free to pay (no box purchase) then i would be surprised.  Either way I am jumping on it.  

EQN has already been confirmed to be free to play. F2P is the future SOE says.

 

F2P as in, download the game day 1 from the internet and you're good to go.

This indeed is correct, though EQ2 is free to play; however you have to buy the expansions if you want to play the new content and utilize the "gold membership;s 15/month" to use the top tier gear.  It is a sneaky free to play... just enough to give you a taste and make you want to throw a bit of cash at it.  But who knows until 8/2 

  Darkarai79

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7/11/13 10:07:50 AM#59
Originally posted by stayBlind
Originally posted by Darkarai79
idk about you but id rather not waste 60-70$ on a game that might or might not suck. Reading reviews doesn't do it for me either, people will always have opinions so now that F2P has come around im glad i get to try something before hand, you wouldn't buy a box at a restaurant and trust the waiter's opinion saying its amazing deal! lol you might get some crap on a stick and your down 60$....

Yea, except now you get 1 bite of steak to decide if you like it or not. If you like it you have to pay 20$ for each new bite of steak, which costs you more than if you just spent 60$ on it in the first place

true lol but ive never spent money on a f2p game EVER... somehow i still find the way to keep up with subbed players because the devs forget to check every little bit of their game to make sure your restrcited. 

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  baphamet

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7/11/13 10:11:03 AM#60

as long as i can still sub and get the full version of the game without having to buy all this BS at the store then i am good.

people that want to play a gimped free version of the game can do it, i just don't see how they put up with that crap unless they have no other choice.

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