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General Discussion  » Are we happy that its free to play? What about Buy to Play?

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  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

7/10/13 8:07:58 PM#21
I'd like to see B2P as it makes an account mean something to the player. That encourages a better community. PS2 is a good example. Most people are great but a few are not and proximity chat can make things unsavory. I have a feeling SoEMote will be active in a proximity chat capacity... I'd like account bans to mean something... just to be safe.
  OG_Zorvan

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7/10/13 8:11:27 PM#22

After playing TSW, I'd have to say outside of Pay to Play, I prefer Buy to Play.

No "pay for more bank slots" or "pay for more hotbars" or "pay to use the AH".

Everything in the game available to me and the only thing I need to buy  is future content expansions just like in a Pay to Play game. Or fluffy crap like clothing from the cash shop, which is optional.

EA CEO John Riccitiello's on future microtransactions: "When you are six hours into playing Battlefield and you run out of ammo in your clip, and we ask you for a dollar to reload, you're really not very price sensitive at that point in time...We're not gouging, but we're charging."

  Notimeforbs

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7/10/13 8:18:09 PM#23

I hate F2P and Item Shops.  The bigger they get, the more obvious it is that they are a complete rip off, nickel and diming scam.  It makes me sick to just think a corporation could get away with it, or that they have absolutely no ethic to NOT do it.

Be that as it may... I realize some people prefer it.  Why?  I don't know.  Somehow they don't realize they end up paying more.  I guess it's the convenience of it.

Here's what I say.  Offer both.  But don't charge the subscribers for Item Shop crap - offer it in the game.  And don't do that bogus bull-crap where it takes you months and months of grinding and subscription cost to get one item.  This is exactly what SWTOR does.  Even when I subscribed, I'm punished with ridiculous goals and costs to items.

  Battlerock

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7/10/13 8:19:08 PM#24
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iceman8235
I think F2P will work fine for EQ next.  It'll help keep the servers full longer.  Having a stable income, if I enjoy the game I'll most likely sub to it if there are time saving bonuses involved in subbing.

 

 

F2p does not provide stable income. It provides a quick in rush and then in 2 months the income is gone. That's what the devs want not what the players want.

SoE clearly disagrees with you. Maybe you should alert them, and tell them that their numbers are wrong and to switch back to their old business model.

Also, League of Legends (AKA money machine) disagrees. =p

There are many examples of F2P being a huge success.

Check out Yoshida's recent quotes about sustainable payment models

  killahh

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7/10/13 8:21:59 PM#25

all i see are rumors about ftp, ill just wait for the soe live announcement.

 

would be nice though to stick it to all the ftp  cheapskates out there though and offer sub, but thats my opinion.

might not be politicaly correct, but imho, if you can afford a computer, afford internet, then you can afford to pay for a game.

 

Gonada Dahung,over 20 years of mmorpg's and counting....Please Lord, let someone make a game that had all the awesomeness of UO, EQ and EVE...

  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

7/10/13 8:28:21 PM#26
I agree Killahh. I said B2P but I'm also hoping for a sub option like the rest of the SoE games. I would at least like the box to cost something no matter if subbed or not.
  Iadien

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7/10/13 8:36:19 PM#27
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iceman8235
I think F2P will work fine for EQ next.  It'll help keep the servers full longer.  Having a stable income, if I enjoy the game I'll most likely sub to it if there are time saving bonuses involved in subbing.

 

 

F2p does not provide stable income. It provides a quick in rush and then in 2 months the income is gone. That's what the devs want not what the players want.

SoE clearly disagrees with you. Maybe you should alert them, and tell them that their numbers are wrong and to switch back to their old business model.

Also, League of Legends (AKA money machine) disagrees. =p

There are many examples of F2P being a huge success.

Check out Yoshida's recent quotes about sustainable payment models

Is the opinion of someone that hasn't proven a damn thing in terms of MMOs supposed to mean more than a company that has been creating MMOs for more than 15 years?

Originally posted by killahh

all i see are rumors about ftp, ill just wait for the soe live announcement.

 

would be nice though to stick it to all the ftp  cheapskates out there though and offer sub, but thats my opinion.

might not be politicaly correct, but imho, if you can afford a computer, afford internet, then you can afford to pay for a game.

 

F2P

  Shadowguy64

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7/10/13 8:52:28 PM#28

F2P is the reason I doubt I'll get vested in the game....unless they pull off something truely remarkable.

 

F2P is good to try out new games. But in the long run, it "usually" costs more. So we will see.

  Iadien

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7/10/13 8:59:03 PM#29
Originally posted by Shadowguy64

F2P is the reason I doubt I'll get vested in the game....unless they pull off something truely remarkable.

 

F2P is good to try out new games. But in the long run, it "usually" costs more. So we will see.

It depends on how a person plays and how much a person "needs" cosmetic crap in the MP.

What I do is subscribe when I can be active, and redeem 2-3 station cash Wal-Mart cards on double and triple station cash events in between new expansions. For me, it works out to spending around $60 a year ($100 if an expansion releases). Though, I won't need to purchase station cash for quite some time since I have so much saved up from the last triple SC event, and I don't purchase cosmetic items.

  Aelious

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World > Quest Progression

7/10/13 9:14:24 PM#30
They'll have a sub, er mambership, I'm sure so hopefully the majority of the content will be gained in game.

My concern has two facets. First, that there won't be a sub option which opens the blank check avenue and two, all the UGC they seem to imply will be a big aspect of the game will have costs associated outside a sub.
  Dullahan

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Death to Themepark.

7/10/13 9:26:39 PM#31
Originally posted by Latronus
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iceman8235
I think F2P will work fine for EQ next.  It'll help keep the servers full longer.  Having a stable income, if I enjoy the game I'll most likely sub to it if there are time saving bonuses involved in subbing.

 

 

F2p does not provide stable income. It provides a quick in rush and then in 2 months the income is gone. That's what the devs want not what the players want.

SoE clearly disagrees with you. Maybe you should alert them, and tell them that their numbers are wrong and to switch back to their old business model.

Umm the MARKET disagrees with him since almost every game that goes F2P makes more money after they go that.  Want examples?  DDO and SW:TOR just to name 2.

According to reports and their evaluation of F2P models in the past, they can't afford NOT to use the F2P model in all future games.  Its increased the populations of all the games its been used in, and population means more potential paying customers.  The quote was something like, I wish we would have gone F2P a long time ago.

Played EQ, UO, DAoC, AO, WoW, EQII, Vanguard, Ryzom, Darkfall, Warhammer, Rift, MO, Tera, DFUW, Age of Wushu, NW2, ESO and many others I don't remember or care to admit.
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  lizardbones

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7/10/13 9:30:06 PM#32

I have personally had the best experience with B2P games, whether they started as subscription games or not. However, that doesn't mean that EQN being F2P would affect my enjoyment of the game. It would just depend on how they setup the cash shop. I would assume it's setup like EQ2's cash shop. I have no idea how that's setup, but that's what I would assume.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Oberholzer

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7/10/13 9:32:20 PM#33
I'd be ok with F2P if it's not too restrictive and I'd hope there is at least the option to sub if people so desired. Guess it just depends on the F2P plan they come up with.
  Yizle

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Joined: 4/24/10
Posts: 518

7/10/13 9:32:35 PM#34
Originally posted by observer
I would rather have it as buy to play, because EQ2's F2P system is awful, and i wouldn't want EQN to copy that model.  The best f2p i've seen so far is Rift's system, despite the pay to win gear in their shop.  The upsides to a F2P system though is that it will bring so many players to the game as opposed to a buy to play option.  Both have their positives and negatives.  It's best to wait to see SOE reveal it.

Please tell me what P2W gear is in the EQ2 shop? I have about 15k SC sitting around from my subs to EQ, EQ2, PS2 etc and I have yet to see this magical epic P2W gear for sale in the EQ2 shop to grab. Give me a list of the names for it so I can start picking it up.

  Yizle

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7/10/13 9:50:09 PM#35
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iadien
Originally posted by Battlerock
Originally posted by Iceman8235
I think F2P will work fine for EQ next.  It'll help keep the servers full longer.  Having a stable income, if I enjoy the game I'll most likely sub to it if there are time saving bonuses involved in subbing.

 

 

F2p does not provide stable income. It provides a quick in rush and then in 2 months the income is gone. That's what the devs want not what the players want.

SoE clearly disagrees with you. Maybe you should alert them, and tell them that their numbers are wrong and to switch back to their old business model.

Also, League of Legends (AKA money machine) disagrees. =p

There are many examples of F2P being a huge success.

Check out Yoshida's recent quotes about sustainable payment models

Is the opinion of someone that hasn't proven a damn thing in terms of MMOs supposed to mean more than a company that has been creating MMOs for more than 15 years?

Originally posted by killahh

all i see are rumors about ftp, ill just wait for the soe live announcement.

 

would be nice though to stick it to all the ftp  cheapskates out there though and offer sub, but thats my opinion.

might not be politicaly correct, but imho, if you can afford a computer, afford internet, then you can afford to pay for a game.

 

F2P

He knows more than you and what he is saying is the truth. Perhaps if you had ever played a real mmorpg you might have a higher expectation. All these f2p crap titles must have messed up people's heads and now all they expect is crap. It's all about shaping culture I suppose.

Battlerock besides opinions you are spewing and trying to masquerade as truth(as well as opinions of others that you are trying to say are facts) how about you put real numbers and facts out there. Actual performance and revenue numbers of games that were P2P and then their numbers when they went F2P.

 

Until you are just looking like the blathering town fool spewing their anti-F2P lies. Your ignorance also shows when saying that someone you do not know has never played a "real mmorpg" when you obviously do not know what games we have all played.

  rojo6934

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7/10/13 9:52:10 PM#36

i prefer to purchase the game and play without a sub. Thats never going to happen since SOE lately is all about "F2P, your way".

I would definitelly be happier purchasing the box but keeping it without a sub. A box price guarantees no crap in the cash shop. Fully Free guarantees a lot of crap in the cash shop to atract the weak minded shopping addicts and give too little options to non payers.

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  quseio

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7/10/13 9:52:27 PM#37
id prefer a btp witha light fluffy cash shop since its not sub, imo youjust cant get the same quality in expansions otherwise
  hMJem

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7/10/13 9:54:51 PM#38
Originally posted by Vutar
Originally posted by observer
I would rather have it as buy to play, because EQ2's F2P system is awful, and i wouldn't want EQN to copy that model.  The best f2p i've seen so far is Rift's system, despite the pay to win gear in their shop.  The upsides to a F2P system though is that it will bring so many players to the game as opposed to a buy to play option.  Both have their positives and negatives.  It's best to wait to see SOE reveal it.

 

The "upside" that you list for F2P is in reality the downside. "Bringing in many players" is code for bringing in thousands of children who otherwise would not be allowed to play.

Why should you be more "warranted" to play a game than a 15 year old?

 

Just curious. Unless youre just saying "I dont want to play with young people" then just say it. Sorry to tell you, but companies dont value you more than any other person who plays their game.

 

And dont tell me someone is quoting a FFXIV developer/lead guy. A game so bad they had to literally remake it and re-release it because it was so terrible its first time around. The same people are going to play FFXIV:ARR that played version 1.0, they likely won't see growth with that title.

  PsychoticHamster

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7/10/13 9:59:38 PM#39
As long as the $14.99 sub comes with the promise, "we will not let this game languish" Im all for a monthly sub. Also, they had better not include an ingame store if they want to charge a sub, biggest slap to the face to say "yea will take a sub, but also charge you for things that should be  in the game from the get go".

  Kyleran

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7/10/13 10:07:37 PM#40
I'm fine with it being F2P, as long as they offer a sub option that imparts significant advantage.

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