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  Squeak69

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cheese cheese wheres da bloody cheese

7/10/13 1:14:34 PM#21

where is the PVE both option and the PVP both option ?

cause I wanted to pick PvE both, cause I like theme parks and true sand boxes equally

F2P may be the way of the future, but ya know they dont make them like they used to
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  znaiika

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7/10/13 1:25:51 PM#22
Open worl sandbox, some themepark elements PVE vith optional PVP combat must be focused on PVE and no spacial gear for pvp or anything else, both should share same set-up, gear, etc, etc, etc, again has to be PVE focused.
  Roguewiz

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When a Kender says "oops!"; its already too late.

7/10/13 1:28:54 PM#23
Originally posted by znaiika
Sandbox PVE vith optional PVP combat must be focused on PVE and no spacial gear for pvp or anything else, both should share same set-up, gear, etc, etc, etc, again has to be PVE focused.

Or, PVP gear can only be worn as a PVP spec, which can only be used in PVP areas :)

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  Karble

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I play therefor I am

7/10/13 1:34:04 PM#24

Sandbox is more immersive. You stake your claim and build a life in a world. Often times making your own equipment and house or boat. Decorating your house and using it to store gear and supplies. FIghting other players for resources and dungeons. Maybe even defending your home area from sieges or laying siege to other people's areas. Ship battles are also possible. So much more going on than in a standard theme park.

I also believe in having non player races and areas with factions as well as deep and sophisticated dungeons and encounters.

There can be a sort of marriage of sandbox with pvp and some theme park elements.

  znaiika

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7/10/13 1:34:07 PM#25
Originally posted by Roguewiz
Originally posted by znaiika
Sandbox PVE vith optional PVP combat must be focused on PVE and no spacial gear for pvp or anything else, both should share same set-up, gear, etc, etc, etc, again has to be PVE focused.

Or, PVP gear can only be worn as a PVP spec, which can only be used in PVP areas :)

Usualy PVP gear is overpowered and PVPers use it to do PVE, and that, is not fair, PVPers should learn to use what's in desposal, not looking for easier way to make them overpovered.

  Roguewiz

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7/10/13 1:37:03 PM#26
Originally posted by znaiika
Originally posted by Roguewiz
Originally posted by znaiika
Sandbox PVE vith optional PVP combat must be focused on PVE and no spacial gear for pvp or anything else, both should share same set-up, gear, etc, etc, etc, again has to be PVE focused.

Or, PVP gear can only be worn as a PVP spec, which can only be used in PVP areas :)

Usualy PVP gear is overpowered and PVPers use it to do PVE, and that, is not fair, PVPers should learn to use what's in desposal, not looking for easier way to make them overpovered.

Hense the whole PVP gear, as a PVP spec, in PVP areas comment

Translation:

  • PVE Spec can't use PVP gear
  • Because you aren't a PVP spec, you can't be in a PVP area as a PVE spec
  • Because you are a PVP spec, you can't be in a PVE area as a PVP spec.
It's the easiest way to balance a game around PVP and PVE.  If everyone has access to a PVE Spec and a separate PVP spec, the only thing you need to do is balance the PVP spec for PVP, and the PVE spec for PVE since they will never collide.

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  Jemcrystal

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Let em put a slave ring thru u're nose u're prob not going to like where they're taking you. Think.

7/10/13 1:42:31 PM#27

In TERA's forecast today I see a slight leaning to PvE over PvP.

PvE DOMINATES!

PvP looses!  PvP looses!

Next time if they ask your name tell them "Your Overlord." There's nothing more satisfying than an Arby's employee repeatedly yelling over the munching masses, "Your Overlord's classic cheddar is up!!!"

  Gardavsshade

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7/10/13 1:47:53 PM#28

I would really enjoy a PvE Sandbox MMORPG.

Not a PvP Sandbox retrofitted for PvE like Wurm Online or EVE, but a MMORPG created from scratch to be PvE and Sandbox.

 

  nariusseldon

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7/10/13 1:51:14 PM#29

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

  DavisFlight

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7/10/13 1:53:36 PM#30
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

  whisperwynd

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Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

7/10/13 1:55:10 PM#31
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Yet that's all we seem to get. Wonder why that is? Arm chair economy aside.  

  nariusseldon

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7/10/13 1:57:02 PM#32
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Really? Even a disaster like TOR has a much bigger audience than Eve .. the biggest sandbox.

And tell me .. if wow is a disaster, how many companies would love to have a disaster like that?

  Gravarg

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7/10/13 2:00:04 PM#33
Do we really have to have a poll.  I think it's been known for awhile now that everyone wants a PvE themepark with PvP optional...Just look at how many people play each type of those games.  There's a reason why well over 50% of the MMO community is subscribed to WoW...still.
  User Deleted
7/10/13 2:00:23 PM#34
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Really? Even a disaster like TOR has a much bigger audience than Eve .. the biggest sandbox.

And tell me .. if wow is a disaster, how many companies would love to have a disaster like that?

By that same token 16 and pregnant is in its 4th season and shows like Firefly got cut. This world promotes non-values if you haven't noticed.

  DavisFlight

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7/10/13 2:09:15 PM#35
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Yet that's all we seem to get. Wonder why that is? Arm chair economy aside.  

Because the people making the games now (publishers) have ZERO understanding of the genre and just think "If we pump enough money into it and hire the right people, we can make a WoW that'll topple WoW!"

The people with sense are making niche MMOs.

  DavisFlight

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Posts: 2594

7/10/13 2:12:13 PM#36
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Really? Even a disaster like TOR has a much bigger audience than Eve .. the biggest sandbox.

And tell me .. if wow is a disaster, how many companies would love to have a disaster like that?

Er, no it doesn't. And WoW is an outlier.

TOR crashed and burned so hard the two founders of Bioware quit their company, the staff on the game got halved, their publisher went bankrupt, EA stock dropped like a rock, and they had to rush FTP just to stave off early death. No, Eve has 500k paying subscribers and has been steadily growing since it launched. TOR, off the back of the biggest scifi IP and the biggest marketing campaign in MMO history... sold a bunch of boxes and then collapsed in on itself, because that model cannot sustain itself.

It's the same thing that happened to all WoW style themepark games.

  Rydeson

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Posts: 3569

7/10/13 2:13:03 PM#37
I dislike theme parks.. and I dislike twitch esport PvP... What's left, and that is my choice.. 
  Horusra

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7/10/13 2:15:07 PM#38
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Yet that's all we seem to get. Wonder why that is? Arm chair economy aside.  

Because the people making the games now (publishers) have ZERO understanding of the genre and just think "If we pump enough money into it and hire the right people, we can make a WoW that'll topple WoW!"

The people with sense are making niche MMOs.

Not enough money in Niche for a AAA game to cover the cost of creation.  In todays market Eve would have crapped out.

  whisperwynd

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Posts: 1470

Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

7/10/13 2:16:30 PM#39
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Yet that's all we seem to get. Wonder why that is? Arm chair economy aside.  

Because the people making the games now (publishers) have ZERO understanding of the genre and just think "If we pump enough money into it and hire the right people, we can make a WoW that'll topple WoW!"

The people with sense are making niche MMOs.

Exactly the point I was making. They are niche. Does that mean they aren't good? Of course not. The issue of whether the populace in general don't know what's good for them is another thread entirely, and one that would be more guess work than any so far.  

  DavisFlight

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7/10/13 2:19:57 PM#40
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by whisperwynd
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by nariusseldon

This poll is not deciding anything.

The market does.

Well if the market shows anything, its that themeparks are a disaster and a money sink and nobody wants them for more than a month.

Yet that's all we seem to get. Wonder why that is? Arm chair economy aside.  

Because the people making the games now (publishers) have ZERO understanding of the genre and just think "If we pump enough money into it and hire the right people, we can make a WoW that'll topple WoW!"

The people with sense are making niche MMOs.

Exactly the point I was making. They are niche. Does that mean they aren't good? Of course not. The issue of whether the populace in general don't know what's good for them is another thread entirely, and one that would be more guess work than any so far.  

All successful MMOs fill a niche. That's how business generally works. WoW has a monopoly on WoW players, no one is going to pry that away. Other MMOs carve out a niche and cater to that niche. Maybe its a big niche or a small niche, but there will never be a one size fit all MMO outside of WoW, which was a fluke and is an outlier.

A key part to being a niche is realizing you're niche. Themeparks could technically be successful as a niche, but that game design model doesn't sustain itself because it needs a massive marketing and development budget to replace the content people burn through, and keep players coming in. Themeparks don't retain players. So its hard to be both niche, and a themepark. It's possible, but the WoWclones/themeparks we've been getting for 8 years have all had budgets they require millions of subs to sustain.

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