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  Tierless

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joie de vivre

 
OP  7/08/13 12:12:53 PM#1

Is it?

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  Nanfoodle

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7/08/13 12:17:44 PM#2
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

Just started looking into crafting today and let say its a lot deeper then most MMOs. From gathering to the crafting process. Seems this game really took the time to make crafting more then something to fill time. You can make your char a full time crafter and play just that full time. As for the worth of the crafting goods I dont know. As a person who loves to craft this system looks like a lot of fun =-)

  apocoluster

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7/08/13 12:33:01 PM#3
I crafted in 1.0 a little.  I wonder though if the crafting in 2.0 is still interdependent on multiple disciplines.  I really really hope so :)

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  ElRenmazuo

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7/08/13 12:35:23 PM#4
Originally posted by apocoluster
I crafted in 1.0 a little.  I wonder though if the crafting in 2.0 is still interdependent on multiple disciplines.  I really really hope so :)

Yes because having other crafters classes additional skills help

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  Nanfoodle

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7/08/13 12:41:37 PM#5

This video is a really good watch. He has a many videos I have enjoyed watching. CLICK HERE!

 

 

  Ehllfhire

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Playing the FFXIV 2.0 Demo

7/08/13 2:21:17 PM#6
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No. Player crafted gear is subpar to drops from dungeons. All people will use crafting for is to make materia.

Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3

  Rupskul

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7/08/13 2:24:46 PM#7
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No. Player crafted gear is subpar to drops from dungeons. All people will use crafting for is to make materia.

Basing this on the huge assumption that you've seen all there is from crafting.  If you use FFXI as the example, then you are likely to be extremely wrong. 

At this point there isn't much to crafting - but even in 1.0 the crafted gear was better than dropped gear.  I think that will be the case with launch.

  Ehllfhire

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Playing the FFXIV 2.0 Demo

7/08/13 4:45:20 PM#8
Originally posted by Rupskul
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No. Player crafted gear is subpar to drops from dungeons. All people will use crafting for is to make materia.

Basing this on the huge assumption that you've seen all there is from crafting.  If you use FFXI as the example, then you are likely to be extremely wrong. 

At this point there isn't much to crafting - but even in 1.0 the crafted gear was better than dropped gear.  I think that will be the case with launch.

It isnt the case. As of phase 3, best gear is from dungeon drops.

Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3

  nerovipus32

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7/08/13 4:48:23 PM#9
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No! The game is a themepark where the best gear is acquired from pve dungeons.

  Nanfoodle

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7/08/13 5:02:28 PM#10
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No! The game is a themepark where the best gear is acquired from pve dungeons.

Till I see an official post on where they stand with crafting I will not take this as the bible word. Not saying your wrong but seems silly with all the work they have done with making crafting so deep to make crafters wana play and then leaving them hanging as useless as WoW crafters. Is there more to this?

  Ehllfhire

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Playing the FFXIV 2.0 Demo

7/08/13 5:03:51 PM#11
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No! The game is a themepark where the best gear is acquired from pve dungeons.

Till I see an official post on where they stand with crafting I will not take this as the bible word. Not saying your wrong but seems silly with all the work they have done with making crafting so deep to make crafters wana play and then leaving them hanging as useless as WoW crafters. Is there more to this?

How about you take the word of thoose playing the game now, the way it will be at launch in a month? The best gear is loot drop from dungeons not crafting.

Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3

  Nanfoodle

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7/08/13 5:18:58 PM#12
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No! The game is a themepark where the best gear is acquired from pve dungeons.

Till I see an official post on where they stand with crafting I will not take this as the bible word. Not saying your wrong but seems silly with all the work they have done with making crafting so deep to make crafters wana play and then leaving them hanging as useless as WoW crafters. Is there more to this?

How about you take the word of thoose playing the game now, the way it will be at launch in a month? The best gear is loot drop from dungeons not crafting.

Because I am seeing conflicting statments on this one and I cant find an official word anywhere I have looked. Point me at one and I will bite. Up till now even the beta players have not seen even 1/2 the game.

  Ralstlin

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7/08/13 5:25:23 PM#13

not totally true, the best Crafter body is HQ Dodore, crafteable. Like all the crafters set with 2 or more slots for CP materia.

 

And probably some gear with triple materia will be better than some dungeon drops. 

  vandal5627

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7/08/13 5:26:05 PM#14
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No! The game is a themepark where the best gear is acquired from pve dungeons.

Till I see an official post on where they stand with crafting I will not take this as the bible word. Not saying your wrong but seems silly with all the work they have done with making crafting so deep to make crafters wana play and then leaving them hanging as useless as WoW crafters. Is there more to this?

How about you take the word of thoose playing the game now, the way it will be at launch in a month? The best gear is loot drop from dungeons not crafting.

Because I am seeing conflicting statments on this one and I cant find an official word anywhere I have looked. Point me at one and I will bite. Up till now even the beta players have not seen even 1/2 the game.

I wouldnt listen to him, noone really knows how it's going to be, the only thing is based on what Yoshi has said in his interviews stating that he will make crafting very viable, but how viable it is comapared to Raid dungeons is still all speculation.

  Arcticnoon

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7/08/13 5:29:34 PM#15
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No! The game is a themepark where the best gear is acquired from pve dungeons.

Till I see an official post on where they stand with crafting I will not take this as the bible word. Not saying your wrong but seems silly with all the work they have done with making crafting so deep to make crafters wana play and then leaving them hanging as useless as WoW crafters. Is there more to this?

How about you take the word of thoose playing the game now, the way it will be at launch in a month? The best gear is loot drop from dungeons not crafting.

Because I am seeing conflicting statments on this one and I cant find an official word anywhere I have looked. Point me at one and I will bite. Up till now even the beta players have not seen even 1/2 the game.

First of all, do these people realize that you can buy lvl 39 gear from vendors in beta? No dungeons from beta drop lvl 39 gear. So for them to say best gear is from dungeons they are completely wrong.

Secondly these geniuses are assuming that all the level 1-30 crafting recipes have been release for beta. That's just silly.

Truth be told none of them have any idea about the answer to your question. I will tell you what the Producer of the game has said.

Crafted gear will be equal to better than initial drops from dungeons. However once dungeon gear has been improved through crafting and materia it will reign supreme. The devs have made it so that crafting and endgame dungeons will go hand in hand.

Many of the best crafting recipes will drop from dungeons.

  free2play

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7/08/13 6:25:34 PM#16

I fully expect the crafting in ARR to end up in the same situation all crafting ends up in with MMO games. If it's worth it, everyone will do it and you will make more just selling mats.

 

Of course something in ARR that I found to be a bit off is, the LeveQuests now, don't actually require you to make anything. It's possible to buy a level 50. Bring a Silver Sceptre to Moe in this or that alley, get 8K Exper. Where you get the Sceptre? M'eh, whatever. They removed the old system because people were leveling crafting without ever leveling Gathering. I'm not sure the new system is a better option.

 

As to OP, the econ will be player crafted but econ won't have full control over non crafting players. Relic Armor, PvE reward gear will be on par with all things crafted but they are also BoA so they really don't impact game economy.

  taus01

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7/08/13 6:46:33 PM#17

 

There is nothing that can beat triple melded crafted gear. Dungeon drops and AF/Relic are nice but for the real best gear you need to craft and get just the right Materia. Only a crafter can meld Materia so yes, the economy is based on crafting and gathering.

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  ElirionLoth

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7/08/13 6:54:57 PM#18
Originally posted by taus01

 

There is nothing that can beat triple melded crafted gear. Dungeon drops and AF/Relic are nice but for the real best gear you need to craft and get just the right Materia. Only a crafter can meld Materia so yes, the economy is based on crafting and gathering.

If things stay comparable to the gear strengths in 1.0 then this is generally true.  Darklight armor, dungeon drop, had some of the best pieces but it was so hard to get that the majority of people used double or triple melded gear in most spots.  Multiple melds have been made easier in 2.0 so I expect crafted gear to still be in demand. 

  Rupskul

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7/08/13 8:32:31 PM#19
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Rupskul
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
Originally posted by Tierless

Is it?

No. Player crafted gear is subpar to drops from dungeons. All people will use crafting for is to make materia.

Basing this on the huge assumption that you've seen all there is from crafting.  If you use FFXI as the example, then you are likely to be extremely wrong. 

At this point there isn't much to crafting - but even in 1.0 the crafted gear was better than dropped gear.  I think that will be the case with launch.

It isnt the case. As of phase 3, best gear is from dungeon drops.

I'm not denying that, but it wasn't my point at all.  I'm making a statement based on SE's past behavior when it comes to crafting.  If you believe that the best drops will unequivocally always come from dungeons, I think you will be wrong.  If you just want to get into pissing contests about semantics, go ahead.  I'm not into that.

 

Regardless, nobody can answer this question right now.  The developers have said that they are limiting what is in the beta.  Ignoring that would be silly.

  Rupskul

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7/08/13 8:35:04 PM#20
Originally posted by Arcticnoon
 

Crafted gear will be equal to better than initial drops from dungeons. However once dungeon gear has been improved through crafting and materia it will reign supreme. The devs have made it so that crafting and endgame dungeons will go hand in hand.

Many of the best crafting recipes will drop from dungeons.

THIS ... Exactly the way FFXI was. 

So, to the OP, ignore the folks that are on here trolling.  The reality is we don't know - but if we believe the developers instead of people that haven't really played the game, I think crafting will be very important.

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