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  Synns77

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7/12/13 3:48:14 PM#101

As long as this game is as good as skyrim I couldn't really care less about the mmo bit, if that turns out ok then bonus if not its another elder scrolls as far as I'm concerned, bonus.

  Brabbit1987

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7/13/13 12:30:48 AM#102
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Brabbit1987

No offence, but it isn't particularly hard to tell when an mmo will fail as most do. So your track record means practically nothing. It would be like having a 6 sided dice with 4 being on 5 sides and 2 being on one side and saying you are great at predicting that it will land on 4.

I have been playing MMOs just as long as you have, and I am very, very, very picky. I hate Guild Wars, never touched Guild Wars 2. I hate WoW and anything resembling it. I didn't care much for TERA, though the combat system was good, everything else sucked majorly. It would take me forever to mention every mmo I have tried and hated.

No offence taken, it is not the first time I have this kind of comment thrown at me.

I had it with SWTOR fanboys, WAR fanboys, TSW fanboys and all the other games I criticised before (quite a few).

But see, the difference between me and you is that I don't have to hate a game to predict it will be crap, and I don't have to love a game to predict it will be good (You apparently missed the part where I was talking about GW2).

I don't base my judgements on what I LIKE or what I HATE but on the features of the game and what kind of player thee game could appeal to, unlike you who seems to base your judjement on what you hate or like (green highlights)

I know pretty much every type of MMORPG player by now and I know that ESO original design would have attracted the SWTOR crowd (AKA burn the game fast and move on).

 

You say that it is not difficult to predict if a game will fail or not, although I do actually predict failure of games that 80% of people think will be a hit (just check their hype pre-release)

I mean it is not like I am betting on a safe horse.............am I?

I am doing the same with ESO which is a popular title, again, not playing it safe am I?

 

Anyway you are contesting my prediction (which you are entitled to obviously), which means that you think ESO will succeed.

So one of us will be wrong..................let's have this conversation 2 months after ESO release and let's see who was right and who was wrong, then you can tell me if it is so easy to predict if a game fail or not, as you say.

 

And by the way I am a TES fanboy (check my signature), who played the Saga since Arena (ceck Wikipedia), and want ESO to be a success, yet I don't think it will be...............just to confirm my claim that I don't have to hate a game to predict it will bomb.

I might change my mind after I play Beta, as I said before, Zenimax tried to change and implement few things since first they announced the game and people complained about.

It could be enough, but I doubt it....................Firor doesn't look like someone that is bold enough to do something too different from what the Marketing Department suggests.

 

By your standard, since I am a Sonic fan boy, I couldn't possibly hate any sonic game. Which is funny, because I do hate some of them. It's very easy to like certain games and hate other games even if you are a fan boy in that particular series of games. I still do not go around tooting my own horn and act like I know which sonic games will fail and which will not. Even if I am correct most of the time, it really doesn't mean anything.

You say you do not hate games, but that is a lie. You are human, humans have likes and dislikes, you are not exempt from that.

Also this isn't about being right or wrong, this about being smart and knowing that the game isn't out yet, and knowing how much you think a game will fail doesn't mean it will. We are not psychic and no matter the persons track record , that isn't proof of such.

Do I think ESO will be a success? Really, I have no idea. Do I think it will be good? Yes. I have not heard anything that makes me think the game would be bad. What I like isn't generally what everyone else may like though. I am not as bold as you to say I do not hate games, because I simply am not a liar. It's not like I hated guild wars before I played it. I own it for crying out load lol. I tried it, and played it for a few months and didn't like it all that much.

I judge games based on my tastes after trying it. Even then I do not say a game will fail. I simply say I do not like it. You are here tooting that you are not convinced and saying you think it will fail. That is much worse then saying you hate it. At least then it's your own opinion. However, you are making this out to be as if it's fact, as if you are correct since apparently you have some sort of track record for this lol. Unless they change it, they will fail.

Seems like everyone is a psychic these days. It's like they never saw a movie they thought was going to suck and it turned out to be amazing.

Edit: To be honest, you being an Elder Scrolls fan boy works against you. I find most ES Fans hate the fact an MMO is being made out of their beloved series. So being a fan boy actually makes your opinion MORE biased, not less.

  MMOExposed

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7/13/13 1:49:46 AM#103
Originally posted by Guitarbry

As long as this game is as good as skyrim I couldn't really care less about the mmo bit, if that turns out ok then bonus if not its another elder scrolls as far as I'm concerned, bonus.

But for you what made Skyrim good? That's the underlining question here.

 

if you enjoyed things like being able to go anywhere, well this game will have levels. So that's not going to be the same experience.

 

if you like being able to attack and kill anything, well this is a MMO in which you will share the game world with many many people. So giving them all the option to kill a certain NPC for your quest would be a disaster.

 

do you enjoy the story. Well again how will you fill about 100+ people around you doing the same exact story. Do you feel unique anymore in the game?

 

 

stuff like this is what you and others should really think about before getting too overhyped.

  Brabbit1987

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7/13/13 2:32:50 AM#104
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Guitarbry

As long as this game is as good as skyrim I couldn't really care less about the mmo bit, if that turns out ok then bonus if not its another elder scrolls as far as I'm concerned, bonus.

But for you what made Skyrim good? That's the underlining question here.

 

if you enjoyed things like being able to go anywhere, well this game will have levels. So that's not going to be the same experience.

 

if you like being able to attack and kill anything, well this is a MMO in which you will share the game world with many many people. So giving them all the option to kill a certain NPC for your quest would be a disaster.

 

do you enjoy the story. Well again how will you fill about 100+ people around you doing the same exact story. Do you feel unique anymore in the game?

 

 

stuff like this is what you and others should really think about before getting too overhyped.

Actually all those claims can be countered very easily.

Yes you can travel anywhere besides areas that are not part of your faction until you get to level 50 and earn the quest to go there. This makes perfect sense to me, since no faction is going to allow an enemy faction just stroll on in during what is pretty much  a war. This doesn't bother me because it actually makes sense. Also it's not that you can go there, you most certainly can, you will just be killed in the process I believe. I do not think there is going to actually be any wall stopping you. Though I could be wrong, but I feel that is very unlikely. Even if that does end up being the case, the only thing that is stopping you is level 50. Not really a bid deal if you ask me. Tamriel is huge anyway.

Killing other NPCs was jsut an extra, it isn't what made Elder Scrolls a great game. Again it isn't that big of a deal. Killing NPCs in Skyrim was never worth it anyway beside a laugh or 2. I realize such a feature makes the game feel more open but when you actually think about it, it really is such a small feature that can be easily over looked, even more so if you rarely ever killed anyone in those games which I always felt was more of a hassle then what it was worth. 

Your story comment is borderline kinda dumb, no offense. It's the same thing with a single player game. Anyone else who played skyrim played the same exact story. The only difference is the visibility of the character itself. It only becomes a problem if you make it a problem. I have heard other make this excuse, but i really never saw it as an issue since it can very easily be ignored. Again this doesn't make a game bad or anything.

As for being to overhyped. I agree. I am not overhyped. Though I am interested in playing this game, as I enjoy Elder Scrolls. I most certainly will not let little minor things spoil the game for me. I can look past that pretty darn easy since it isn't why I like Elder Scrolls to begin with. I simply liked elder Scrolls due to the depth at which you can customize your character. That is in ESO. I like it because of the stories and the lore. Fro what i have seen thus far, that is pretty much in ESO. I loved the landscape and the art. For the most part that is also in ESO. The graphics may not be the best, but they certainly are not bad either. I liked Elder Scrolls because of the adventure and again, it looks to me like that is going to be in ESO.

 

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4731

7/13/13 5:51:23 AM#105
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by ste2000

You say you do not hate games, but that is a lie. You are human, humans have likes and dislikes, you are not exempt from that.


I judge games based on my tastes after trying it.

Edit: To be honest, you being an Elder Scrolls fan boy works against you. I find most ES Fans hate the fact an MMO is being made out of their beloved series. So being a fan boy actually makes your opinion MORE biased, not less.

I snipped a bit your post and left the parts what I am going to object.

 

First I don't hate games, I might hate people, not games.

I might not like a game, but as I said I judge a game on certain factors I don't base my Judgement on my taste.

I made the GW2 example for that reason.

I didn't like GW2 because it is not my cup of tea, but knowing the MMORPG community and having played lots of MMOs since UO, I was sure that kind of game with those kind of features would appeal lots of people.

 

I am not saying that I have the crystall ball, but mine is not a guess at all, and of course as everybody else I could be wrong, but generally I get it right, because I don't get emotional when I give my opinion on a game.

 

On the fact that being a TES fanboy I agree with you that it might count against my judgement, but then again I wasn't a fanboy of SWTOR, WAR, TSW, Aion or most of the MMO I criticized.

Again, I judge games on merit not on personal taste and the fact that I am a fanboy doesn't make much difference when I express my opinion.

  ste2000

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7/13/13 6:16:36 AM#106
Originally posted by Guitarbry

As long as this game is as good as skyrim I couldn't really care less about the mmo bit, if that turns out ok then bonus if not its another elder scrolls as far as I'm concerned, bonus.

It is not going to be as good as Skyrim, that's the problem.

 

Take SWTOR and KOTOR for example.

EA could have made easily another KOTOR game instead of a MMORPG, but they decided to jump on the MMO bandwagon using a famous IP by basically making KOTOR Online.

KOTOR is undeniably more fun than SWTOR, Bioware failed to translate what made KOTOR such a great game into a MMORPG, they basically adapted a Single Player game into a Massive environment cutting all the stuff that was too difficult to implement (therefore going backward).

 

Zenimax is(was?) doing exactly the same, is cutting out important features that made the TES IP so successful because they are too complicated (not impossible) to implement in a MMO.

TES fanboys argue, that if you can't recreate the "magic" of the TES IP in a MMO environment, it is better using the resources to make another TES.

You can't say that you can't implement housing because it is too difficult (Firor words when he announced the game), that's ridiculus.

By the way now Zenimax is developing an housing system................so it wasn't that difficult after all Mr. Firor.

If you really want to make a TES MMO you really need to try hard and implement the difficult features as well, because that's what could make a difference between making another SWTOR and making a masterpiece (which the TES IP deserves).

 

By the way I will buy ESO regardless, I am a TES fanboy after all, but the difference between a success or a failure is how long I would play it for.

I played Skyrim for a year.....................will ESO keep me interested for at least a year?

From what I gathered so far I doubt it, but I hope I get it wrong this time..............I really want to play a TES Online.

After all I started playing MMORPGs because of Morrowind.

 

 

 

  Brabbit1987

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7/13/13 6:18:28 AM#107
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by ste2000

You say you do not hate games, but that is a lie. You are human, humans have likes and dislikes, you are not exempt from that.


I judge games based on my tastes after trying it.

Edit: To be honest, you being an Elder Scrolls fan boy works against you. I find most ES Fans hate the fact an MMO is being made out of their beloved series. So being a fan boy actually makes your opinion MORE biased, not less.

I snipped a bit your post and left the parts what I am going to object.

 

First I don't hate games, I might hate people, not games.

I might not like a game, but as I said I judge a game on certain factors I don't base my Judgement on my taste.

I made the GW2 example for that reason.

I didn't like GW2 because it is not my cup of tea, but knowing the MMORPG community and having played lots of MMOs since UO, I was sure that kind of game with those kind of features would appeal lots of people.

 

I am not saying that I have the crystall ball, but mine is not a guess at all, and of course as everybody else I could be wrong, but generally I get it right, because I don't get emotional when I give my opinion on a game.

 

On the fact that being a TES fanboy I agree with you that it might count against my judgement, but then again I wasn't a fanboy of SWTOR, WAR, TSW, Aion or most of the MMO I criticized.

Again, I judge games on merit not on personal taste and the fact that I am a fanboy doesn't make much difference when I express my opinion.

lol, but that is the problem. You say you judge based on merit and not personal taste, then prove that to me. Point out what is wrong with ESO that isn't a personal opinion. I really do not see how you can do that.

Things that you may not like, doesn't mean others do not like it as well. So in a sense, you are most certainly judging it on personal taste.

Think about it this way. Why do games fail? They fail because not enough people found interest in it. However, that doesn't mean no one enjoyed it. That means the game has merit to some people who did like it. Claiming you judge based on merit and not personal opinion is pretty much you trying to make yourself seem better. Really though you just are using the word merit which is an opinion, and do you know what an opinion is? That is right, personal taste.

I mean really, look up the word merit. It is the quality of being good or worthy. That is an opinion. It's just another word to use to state your opinion.

Even more funny is you even said it yourself

"fact that I am a fanboy doesn't make much difference when I express my opinion."

Yet you said you judge based on merit not personal taste. Which is it? Cause last i checked, opinion and personal taste was the same thing.

 

Edit: Also, one last thing I want to point out, a lot of things that where said, may not have been true at all. I have heard a lot of things about ESO, apparently leaked information that ended up not being true. Then people automatically think it was true and Zenimax changed their minds due to bad reactions. Such as player housing, the only information I could ever find on that is on some forums and such. If you go to their main site, they simply say no player housing at launch. At launch is a huge difference then no player housing as an example.

Also if someone did say it was impossible to implement, are you sure his or her words where not taken out of context? You have to realize how much people like to twist words around. This is the main reason why I trust no one until the game itself is released. People are generally twisted and they will troll everyone and fool everyone just so they can make themselves feel right.

I can most certainly understand why they are trying to keep info and video off the net as much as possible till closer to release. Because people jump to conclusions and they complain and take things way out of proportion. I have seen this done plenty of times with ESO. Such as with PVP. They talk about pvp and people act like that is all there is, and completely ignore everything else mentioned. Every reason I have heard from someone on why they think ESO will flop has been rather rediculous. There is no proof or evidence at all and most is simply speculation and opinion. 

People do this with every game that comes out, and really it's just stupid. People did it about Tera Online ,and even that game isn't particularly bad, it's fun to play. However, it isn't some amazing game and not sure why anyone would expect that.

The same goes with ESO, I am not expecting anything major, just simply a decent game to play, though I am expecting it to be a least some what better then most of the MMOs that are released. 

  ste2000

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7/13/13 9:54:26 AM#108
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by ste2000

Even more funny is you even said it yourself

"fact that I am a fanboy doesn't make much difference when I express my opinion."

Yet you said you judge based on merit not personal taste. Which is it? Cause last i checked, opinion and personal taste was the same thing.

 

I don't get where I am contraddicting myself.............

I said that the "fact that I am a Fanboy doesn't make too much difference when I express my opinion" because I judge on the merits of the game.

Why do you think that's a contraddiction in terms?

I am puzzled.

 

To answer your main question on why  I think that ESO will not be a huge success, I explained few times in other posts but I will happily repeat myself.

6 months before SWTOR came out (5 before even playing Beta) I said that SWTOR is not going to be a real MMO but a Single Player game with an Extended Multiplayer mode (I think I invented this term).

I predicted that SWTOR was going to be basically KOTOR Online.

SWTOR was designed as a Single Player game but Bioware threw in MMO elements like Dungeons and the WoW basic functions to make it look like a MMO.

Although EA-Bioware insisted that officially SWTOR was a MMO, the main features (Story Driven gameplay and heavy phasing) pointed the opposite direction.

If you played SWTOR you cannot deny that I got pretty close to my prediction.

You can easily solo to level cap by doing your lovely storyline, while phased out of the rest of the world.

The appeal of SWTOR lasted until people level capped and finished their story as I predicted.

6 months after release SWTOR went F2P.................

 

Since the first interviews of Zenimax devs in particular Matt Firor, I had exactly the same feeling I had reading SWTOR infos years before.

Now read what Matt Firor (Zenimax) said recently.......................

"This is more a multiplayer Elder Scrolls game than an MMO. [You'll see] very limited UI, nice and clean, not a lot of bars.. the combat system is very much action-based. It's also soloable... you can solo almost the entire game. We wanted to get Elder Scrolls players who were unfamiliar with online games and MMO terms to get in, play, have fun and get introduced to the multiplayer aspects."

Finally he admitted what I was saying from the beginning (my Developer Bullshit Filter worked once again), ESO is a Single Player game with extended Multiplayer functions as I thought all along.

TES is one of the few RPG which is not heavily focused around the Storyline, but exploration, in fact, you can easily play Skyrim without doing the main Storyline and still have fun (unlike majority of RPGs).

Also the fact that ESO is Story driven, completely soloable and heavily phased, it means that the devs do not understand TES basics and why it is so popular..................... which is the sense of adventure (and freedom)

This is a major flaw, because not only the main design is based on the same SWTOR foundation, but it goes against TES principles.

 

TES translated in MMO terms is supposed to be a world where you adventure with friends or people you meet, exploring and fighting the evil hidden in caves and dungeons, making side quests and errands in group rather than solo (Like you do in the Single Player version)

If you have to make a TES Online which is basically a Single Player game.......................why not making TES 6 and add a Multiplayer mode (with instanced Dungeons with exclusive group content)?

As it is now, ESO is basically SWTOR in the TES world..........which is a waste of IP.

 

I am going to say the same thing I said for SWTOR.

I will buy the game, I will complete my Storyline and when I run out of content I'll move on after 1-2 months (like 80% of the players)

  Brabbit1987

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Joined: 10/02/11
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7/13/13 11:04:50 AM#109
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by ste2000

Even more funny is you even said it yourself

"fact that I am a fanboy doesn't make much difference when I express my opinion."

Yet you said you judge based on merit not personal taste. Which is it? Cause last i checked, opinion and personal taste was the same thing.

 

I don't get where I am contraddicting myself.............

I said that the "fact that I am a Fanboy doesn't make too much difference when I express my opinion" because I judge on the merits of the game.

Why do you think that's a contraddiction in terms?

I am puzzled.

 

To answer your main question on why  I think that ESO will not be a huge success, I explained few times in other posts but I will happily repeat myself.

6 months before SWTOR came out (5 before even playing Beta) I said that SWTOR is not going to be a real MMO but a Single Player game with an Extended Multiplayer mode (I think I invented this term).

I predicted that SWTOR was going to be basically KOTOR Online.

SWTOR was designed as a Single Player game but Bioware threw in MMO elements like Dungeons and the WoW basic functions to make it look like a MMO.

Although EA-Bioware insisted that officially SWTOR was a MMO, the main features (Story Driven gameplay and heavy phasing) pointed the opposite direction.

If you played SWTOR you cannot deny that I got pretty close to my prediction.

You can easily solo to level cap by doing your lovely storyline, while phased out of the rest of the world.

The appeal of SWTOR lasted until people level capped and finished their story as I predicted.

6 months after release SWTOR went F2P.................

 

Since the first interviews of Zenimax devs in particular Matt Firor, I had exactly the same feeling I had reading SWTOR infos years before.

Now read what Matt Firor (Zenimax) said recently.......................

"This is more a multiplayer Elder Scrolls game than an MMO. [You'll see] very limited UI, nice and clean, not a lot of bars.. the combat system is very much action-based. It's also soloable... you can solo almost the entire game. We wanted to get Elder Scrolls players who were unfamiliar with online games and MMO terms to get in, play, have fun and get introduced to the multiplayer aspects."

Finally he admitted what I was saying from the beginning (my Developer Bullshit Filter worked once again), ESO is a Single Player game with extended Multiplayer functions as I thought all along.

TES is one of the few RPG which is not heavily focused around the Storyline, but exploration, in fact, you can easily play Skyrim without doing the main Storyline and still have fun (unlike majority of RPGs).

Also the fact that ESO is Story driven, completely soloable and heavily phased, it means that the devs do not understand TES basics and why it is so popular..................... which is the sense of adventure (and freedom)

This is a major flaw, because not only the main design is based on the same SWTOR foundation, but it goes against TES principles.

 

TES translated in MMO terms is supposed to be a world where you adventure with friends or people you meet, exploring and fighting the evil hidden in caves and dungeons, making side quests and errands in group rather than solo (Like you do in the Single Player version)

If you have to make a TES Online which is basically a Single Player game.......................why not making TES 6 and add a Multiplayer mode (with instanced Dungeons with exclusive group content)?

As it is now, ESO is basically SWTOR in the TES world..........which is a waste of IP.

 

I am going to say the same thing I said for SWTOR.

I will buy the game, I will complete my Storyline and when I run out of content I'll move on after 1-2 months (like 80% of the players)

Well constructed post, I think I get what you mean. Though, I still think if it ends up being like that, it will be enjoyable either way.

I have a feeling though it will not end up like that. Why? The people who tried it said they liked it, why should I not believe them?

  ste2000

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Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4731

7/13/13 1:42:37 PM#110
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by ste2000
 

Well constructed post, I think I get what you mean. Though, I still think if it ends up being like that, it will be enjoyable either way.

I have a feeling though it will not end up like that. Why? The people who tried it said they liked it, why should I not believe them?

I am glad you understood that I don't hate ESO, but there is a deep though behind my criticism.

TES is the only IP together with Star Wars, Warcraft and Star Trek who is popular enough to attract players outside the MMO player base.

Bioware and Cryptic wasted their chances to make a masterpiece with SWTOR and STO respectively, while only Blizzard got it right.

It drives me crazy that Zenimax is wasting the chance to make a real MMO with the King of RPGs (Skyrim sold 6 Million copies)

 

SoE scrapped twice EQNext design because they realized they were going down the same route of  SWTOR and the other WoW copycats.............that kind of game is not gonna cut it anymore.

I honestly expected Zenimax to do the same.

 

Bethesda is my favourite developer, I own every game they do because to me Bethesda = Quality, I don't want them to end up like Bioware.

I don't want Bethesda (or Zenimax which is its subsidiary) to start making watered down games just to make quick bucks like EA..................that's not why Bethesda games are so good.

And TES Saga deserve an Epic MMO in my opinion not something you play for 2 months and then forget about.

 

  keithian

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 2965

7/13/13 3:01:43 PM#111
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by MMOExposed
Originally posted by Guitarbry

As long as this game is as good as skyrim I couldn't really care less about the mmo bit, if that turns out ok then bonus if not its another elder scrolls as far as I'm concerned, bonus.

But for you what made Skyrim good? That's the underlining question here.

 

if you enjoyed things like being able to go anywhere, well this game will have levels. So that's not going to be the same experience.

 

if you like being able to attack and kill anything, well this is a MMO in which you will share the game world with many many people. So giving them all the option to kill a certain NPC for your quest would be a disaster.

 

do you enjoy the story. Well again how will you fill about 100+ people around you doing the same exact story. Do you feel unique anymore in the game?

 

 

stuff like this is what you and others should really think about before getting too overhyped.

 

As for being to overhyped. I agree. I am not overhyped. Though I am interested in playing this game, as I enjoy Elder Scrolls. I most certainly will not let little minor things spoil the game for me. I can look past that pretty darn easy since it isn't why I like Elder Scrolls to begin with. I simply liked elder Scrolls due to the depth at which you can customize your character. That is in ESO. I like it because of the stories and the lore. Fro what i have seen thus far, that is pretty much in ESO. I loved the landscape and the art. For the most part that is also in ESO. The graphics may not be the best, but they certainly are not bad either. I liked Elder Scrolls because of the adventure and again, it looks to me like that is going to be in ESO.

 

I totally agree on what you wrote in this paragraph. I admit that I overhyped SWTOR and then found myself more and more disappointed by the linear feel of the game even if I don't feel it was such a bad game like others made it out to be. It had some very stong points, I just didn't feel like finishing it.

I think people in these fourms, especially those already passing judgement without playing, tend to focus on the small things and loose the big picture which you captured perfectly.  I think the customization we have seen is right on par with the single player games, along with the artwork, the detail and depth they are trying to put into the questing which makes the PVE more fun (hopefully) than games like Rift, AOC, Neverwinter, etc., I love the stories and the lore, I don't read every book, but I read some of them :-), I think the graphics are improving dramatically each time they show a current build, and I'm hopefully that it will feel more open than games like Final Fantasy, AOC, EQ2, etc which had zones everywhere. It appears the world will be open for your faction which is a huge part of the map. A lot of what I'm writing is not totally based on what I've tried, but rather based on the feedback from most of those who tried the game at E3 and leaked beta Q&As on other sites.

I still dont understand why they can't get rid of loading zones in houses, I hated that in the single player games, but it def didn't break the game for me as Skyrim was one of the most fun experiences Ive had in a while.

There Is Always Hope!

  BadOrb

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 739

7/13/13 3:30:39 PM#112
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by Brabbit1987
Originally posted by ste2000

Even more funny is you even said it yourself

"fact that I am a fanboy doesn't make much difference when I express my opinion."

Yet you said you judge based on merit not personal taste. Which is it? Cause last i checked, opinion and personal taste was the same thing.

 

I don't get where I am contraddicting myself.............

I said that the "fact that I am a Fanboy doesn't make too much difference when I express my opinion" because I judge on the merits of the game.

Why do you think that's a contraddiction in terms?

I am puzzled.

 

To answer your main question on why  I think that ESO will not be a huge success, I explained few times in other posts but I will happily repeat myself.

6 months before SWTOR came out (5 before even playing Beta) I said that SWTOR is not going to be a real MMO but a Single Player game with an Extended Multiplayer mode (I think I invented this term).

I predicted that SWTOR was going to be basically KOTOR Online.

SWTOR was designed as a Single Player game but Bioware threw in MMO elements like Dungeons and the WoW basic functions to make it look like a MMO.

Although EA-Bioware insisted that officially SWTOR was a MMO, the main features (Story Driven gameplay and heavy phasing) pointed the opposite direction.

If you played SWTOR you cannot deny that I got pretty close to my prediction.

You can easily solo to level cap by doing your lovely storyline, while phased out of the rest of the world.

The appeal of SWTOR lasted until people level capped and finished their story as I predicted.

6 months after release SWTOR went F2P.................

 

Since the first interviews of Zenimax devs in particular Matt Firor, I had exactly the same feeling I had reading SWTOR infos years before.

Now read what Matt Firor (Zenimax) said recently.......................

"This is more a multiplayer Elder Scrolls game than an MMO. [You'll see] very limited UI, nice and clean, not a lot of bars.. the combat system is very much action-based. It's also soloable... you can solo almost the entire game. We wanted to get Elder Scrolls players who were unfamiliar with online games and MMO terms to get in, play, have fun and get introduced to the multiplayer aspects."

Finally he admitted what I was saying from the beginning (my Developer Bullshit Filter worked once again), ESO is a Single Player game with extended Multiplayer functions as I thought all along.

TES is one of the few RPG which is not heavily focused around the Storyline, but exploration, in fact, you can easily play Skyrim without doing the main Storyline and still have fun (unlike majority of RPGs).

Also the fact that ESO is Story driven, completely soloable and heavily phased, it means that the devs do not understand TES basics and why it is so popular..................... which is the sense of adventure (and freedom)

This is a major flaw, because not only the main design is based on the same SWTOR foundation, but it goes against TES principles.

 

TES translated in MMO terms is supposed to be a world where you adventure with friends or people you meet, exploring and fighting the evil hidden in caves and dungeons, making side quests and errands in group rather than solo (Like you do in the Single Player version)

If you have to make a TES Online which is basically a Single Player game.......................why not making TES 6 and add a Multiplayer mode (with instanced Dungeons with exclusive group content)?

As it is now, ESO is basically SWTOR in the TES world..........which is a waste of IP.

 

I am going to say the same thing I said for SWTOR.

I will buy the game, I will complete my Storyline and when I run out of content I'll move on after 1-2 months (like 80% of the players)

So you got 8 characters to level 50 within 1-2 months on SWTOR ? Not too shabby that. Not sure what you are talking about SWTOR is an MMO and I think it's just the fact it is a short game for 1 or 2 characters but a great game for someone who likes playing many characters. yeah possibly TESO will be fairly short but some MMO gamers love to speed level and get to end game , again in SWTOR instance it didn't have a lot at end-game at release. Maybe the fact that themepark games give you the impression that said games are "single player games with an extended multi-player mode" ? Anyways I'm still playing SWTOR and no not a fanboy , almost down to my last 6 characters out of the 16 advanced classes. How many different classes will TESO have ? if it's less than yeah even the hardened must get every class to max level will eat it up in less time than SWTOR takes.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
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  ste2000

Advanced Member

Joined: 2/28/04
Posts: 4731

7/14/13 4:53:01 AM#113
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by ste2000
 

So you got 8 characters to level 50 within 1-2 months on SWTOR ? Not too shabby that. Not sure what you are talking about SWTOR is an MMO and I think it's just the fact it is a short game for 1 or 2 characters but a great game for someone who likes playing many characters. yeah possibly TESO will be fairly short but some MMO gamers love to speed level and get to end game , again in SWTOR instance it didn't have a lot at end-game at release. Maybe the fact that themepark games give you the impression that said games are "single player games with an extended multi-player mode" ? Anyways I'm still playing SWTOR and no not a fanboy , almost down to my last 6 characters out of the 16 advanced classes. How many different classes will TESO have ? if it's less than yeah even the hardened must get every class to max level will eat it up in less time than SWTOR takes.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It always amuses me when people try to defend a game based on their own taste.

I just had a discussion of several posts talking about that subject, go and read it if you have time.

 

Truth is that SWTOR performed WAY BELOW EA expectations, that's a fact.

I am not saying that nobody likes SWTOR, I am sure there are people like you that have fun rolling Alts forever, but that's not what the majority of MMORPG players are looking in a MMO.

That's why SWTOR went F2P so fast, though it wasn't even planned...............

 

The ALT system is a lazy way to make the game seems longer, in fact once you played one class you played them all.

The Storylines are slightly different, but the zones in which you play are the same, playing 8 times the same leveling zones with the same silly quests is not what I call fun (and apparently I am not alone)

I rather re-play Skyrim than re-rolling another single class in SWTOR

 

Re-rolling Alts (like you do) is a tipical single player behaviour..........you Solo until level cap then when you get to the point of joining some serious group content (Raiding), you start another character to play solo until you cap the new character.

In fact you are confirming my theory that SWTOR is mainly a Single player game with optional multiplayer function.

 

Cheers.

 

  keithian

Hard Core Member

Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 2965

7/14/13 1:30:13 PM#114
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by ste2000
 

So you got 8 characters to level 50 within 1-2 months on SWTOR ? Not too shabby that. Not sure what you are talking about SWTOR is an MMO and I think it's just the fact it is a short game for 1 or 2 characters but a great game for someone who likes playing many characters. yeah possibly TESO will be fairly short but some MMO gamers love to speed level and get to end game , again in SWTOR instance it didn't have a lot at end-game at release. Maybe the fact that themepark games give you the impression that said games are "single player games with an extended multi-player mode" ? Anyways I'm still playing SWTOR and no not a fanboy , almost down to my last 6 characters out of the 16 advanced classes. How many different classes will TESO have ? if it's less than yeah even the hardened must get every class to max level will eat it up in less time than SWTOR takes.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It always amuses me when people try to defend a game based on their own taste.

I just had a discussion of several posts talking about that subject, go and read it if you have time.

 

Truth is that SWTOR performed WAY BELOW EA expectations, that's a fact.

I am not saying that nobody likes SWTOR, I am sure there are people like you that have fun rolling Alts forever, but that's not what the majority of MMORPG players are looking in a MMO.

That's why SWTOR went F2P so fast, though it wasn't even planned...............

 

The ALT system is a lazy way to make the game seems longer, in fact once you played one class you played them all.

The Storylines are slightly different, but the zones in which you play are the same, playing 8 times the same leveling zones with the same silly quests is not what I call fun (and apparently I am not alone)

I rather re-play Skyrim than re-rolling another single class in SWTOR

 

Re-rolling Alts (like you do) is a tipical single player behaviour..........you Solo until level cap then when you get to the point of joining some serious group content (Raiding), you start another character to play solo until you cap the new character.

In fact you are confirming my theory that SWTOR is mainly a Single player game with optional multiplayer function.

 

Cheers.

 

I agree with you that SWTOR didn't meet EAs expectation, my expectation, or many many MMO gamers out there, but what game out there other than WOW has a  majority of MMO gamers and does anyone even know what % of MMO gamers that is? If a game has a healthy enough population (e.g Lord of the Rings Online, Rift, SWTOR, AOC, GW2, etc) for those who enjoy it isn't that still not a bad thing? Will we ever see a WOW like majority again beyond 3-6 months after release? Frankly I don't care. I just want a healthy population in the game of my choosing that I deem fun.

There Is Always Hope!

  BadOrb

Advanced Member

Joined: 1/11/13
Posts: 739

7/14/13 4:11:51 PM#115
Originally posted by ste2000
Originally posted by BadOrb
Originally posted by ste2000
 

So you got 8 characters to level 50 within 1-2 months on SWTOR ? Not too shabby that. Not sure what you are talking about SWTOR is an MMO and I think it's just the fact it is a short game for 1 or 2 characters but a great game for someone who likes playing many characters. yeah possibly TESO will be fairly short but some MMO gamers love to speed level and get to end game , again in SWTOR instance it didn't have a lot at end-game at release. Maybe the fact that themepark games give you the impression that said games are "single player games with an extended multi-player mode" ? Anyways I'm still playing SWTOR and no not a fanboy , almost down to my last 6 characters out of the 16 advanced classes. How many different classes will TESO have ? if it's less than yeah even the hardened must get every class to max level will eat it up in less time than SWTOR takes.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

It always amuses me when people try to defend a game based on their own taste.

I just had a discussion of several posts talking about that subject, go and read it if you have time.

 

Truth is that SWTOR performed WAY BELOW EA expectations, that's a fact.

I am not saying that nobody likes SWTOR, I am sure there are people like you that have fun rolling Alts forever, but that's not what the majority of MMORPG players are looking in a MMO.

That's why SWTOR went F2P so fast, though it wasn't even planned...............

 

The ALT system is a lazy way to make the game seems longer, in fact once you played one class you played them all.

The Storylines are slightly different, but the zones in which you play are the same, playing 8 times the same leveling zones with the same silly quests is not what I call fun (and apparently I am not alone)

I rather re-play Skyrim than re-rolling another single class in SWTOR

 

Re-rolling Alts (like you do) is a tipical single player behaviour..........you Solo until level cap then when you get to the point of joining some serious group content (Raiding), you start another character to play solo until you cap the new character.

In fact you are confirming my theory that SWTOR is mainly a Single player game with optional multiplayer function.

 

Cheers.

 

Woa , just a friendly bit of advice you don't know me , can't put me in any category from your pretentious , presumptuous mind. I wasn't defending the game  , all i did was tell you that it is an MMO and isn't a single player game with multi-player tagged on , how does that defend SWTOR , I even said it was short. I did read your discussion , in fact this is the discussion , I joined in.

I haven't and won't roll alts forever , i have 16 advance classes ( which is the total amount ) I was planning on having possibly 16 characters at some point and no I don't max out them roll another  , the merges actually forced me to roll a few of the last remaining characters needed to make up to the 16.

Yes EA thought it would do better.

You didn't even answer my question  , well you did in a round about way but from what you just said i can deduce that you never played on both factions , you know how I know as the zones are different and in different timelines.

Again wrong , i have and had many characters running at the same time , some of which about 7-8 are in permanent groups , not solo.

I play end game and can log off and then play my lowest character , how many times have you been wrong about me ?

I'm kind of sad i joined in your discussion now as you don't seem to have a clue , what was your first MMO again something from about 7 years ago was it ? Well maybe don't presume you know a gamer when you first meet them as you clearly don't.

Cheers,

BadOrb.

PSO 4 years , EQOA 4 months , PSU 7 years , SWTOR launch ongoing.
"SWG was not fun. Let it go buddy." quote from iiNoSkillzii 10/18/13
The original propoganda pixie dust villain :[]

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