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  whisperwynd

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Joined: 2/22/06
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Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the priviledge to do so as well.

7/08/13 4:47:36 PM#41
Originally posted by jimprouner
Originally posted by superconducting

Congratulations! Now we all know to listen carefully to what you say and think EXACTLY the opposite.

Seriously, never seen somebody so glad to discredit themselves entirely...

Skyrim is such a cultural stable fad that merely insulting it is a social taboo.  Its like Apple computers, JFK ,or Marilyn Monroe.  People religiously defend it, but they don't know why.  They might even be completely ignorant of the subject, but they will still defend it with anything they have, which is usually insults.

 

TESO in a nutshell,

GW2 set in Tamriel.

 You can say you dislike Skyrim, or where you perceive TESO is heading. It's fine.

However in the same breath you defend your right to voice your opinion, you seem insult those that do like it.

I'm not particularly waiting for TESO to come out, but will be interested to see how it plays. I'm a gamer. It's my hobby, and no award/lack of or video by anonymous people will influence nor cajole me into liking or disliking it.

 

  jimprouner

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7/08/13 11:16:42 PM#42
Originally posted by Gishgeron

  I honestly do not think there is much that can happen to ruin ESO chances of being a pretty large success, at least not in the first year.  You guys talk about how much influence the internet has in all of this...but that ignores a very important detail here.  The massive console market, and how little research its users tend to do.  Basically, anyone thats been buying Elder Scroll games on a console is gonna pick this up no matter what the MMO world thinks about it.  Its the same driving force that leads people to buy every new CoD game that comes out...even when some new ones play WAY worse than the last generation did.  They don't care, they roll with each release like its delicious candy. 

  Elder Scrolls has exactly the same kind of player behind it.  Oblivion took several steps back from Morrowind, in terms of character development and player options.  Game of the Year.  Skyrim did even more...less the player can actually do and become.  Its an even simpler game than the two before it.  Game of the Year.  Please....ESO is basically a money tree whether it sucks or not because how WE (the players on this board) define a good game has NO BEARING, apparently, on that market and what it wants to play.

  So the entire internet could trash this game.  Every gaming news outlet could trash this game.  Nothing is gonna stop several million people from buying and trying it.  Myself included.  I'm buying a PS4, and I'm going to play ESO, FF, DCUO, and D3.  End of story.  No matter how bad they are, being able to just play something with a few friends from the comfort of my couch with a controller in hand is worth dealing with it.  Thats where I stand on this, and, based on what I've seen from the market over the years, its where most console gamers stand too.

I tend to agree.  No matter what anyone says this game will have huge sales on IP alone.  I think they will quit a month later, but it will be enough for the game to claim success anyways.

  darkhalf357x

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Joined: 1/25/12
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I'm only playing the role chosen for me. Who you supposed to be?

7/08/13 11:27:37 PM#43
Originally posted by azzamasin

Episode 147 & 148 of This Week in MMO's has cast serious doubts on the game.  Anyone who hasn't watched should because Gary and Scott kind of try and fool themselves when the handwriting is on the wall.  This wasn't the first negative thoughts on the game either, I think Zenimax will have a tough sale unless they can fix the issues the games has and try to appeal to the MMO crowd.  Fairly certain 13 million console users are not going to be playing TESO when it comes out, even on a console and if they continue to alienate the MMO market, people like me who were defending every decision they made 2 months ago will soon switch.

 

This isn't good folks.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/elder-scrolls-online-mmotwimmo-147/

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/back-from-e3/

Dag bro, get rid of your pitch fork already. What are you rallying for? TESO is not going to be an MMO.  It will be a multi-player TES game that will play (slightly) differently.  Thats serious potential is it not?

Stop trying to turn a game into what you want it to be and let it become what it will.  We will never have the change half of you cry for if we keep shitting on the ones trying to do something different.

Let the genre expand.  Stand behind you (unique) one you love to play. Let others feel the same about the rest.

Why is that wrong?

  Tierless

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Joined: 7/01/08
Posts: 2118

joie de vivre

7/08/13 11:38:11 PM#44

Who still thinks it has a chance? They basically admitted they took the TOR route and built a single player game then tacked on some MMO.

mmorpg.com/blogs/Xobdnas

  jimprouner

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Joined: 7/06/13
Posts: 152

7/09/13 12:29:38 AM#45
Originally posted by darkhalf357x
Originally posted by azzamasin

Episode 147 & 148 of This Week in MMO's has cast serious doubts on the game.  Anyone who hasn't watched should because Gary and Scott kind of try and fool themselves when the handwriting is on the wall.  This wasn't the first negative thoughts on the game either, I think Zenimax will have a tough sale unless they can fix the issues the games has and try to appeal to the MMO crowd.  Fairly certain 13 million console users are not going to be playing TESO when it comes out, even on a console and if they continue to alienate the MMO market, people like me who were defending every decision they made 2 months ago will soon switch.

 

This isn't good folks.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/elder-scrolls-online-mmotwimmo-147/

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/back-from-e3/

Dag bro, get rid of your pitch fork already. What are you rallying for? TESO is not going to be an MMO.  It will be a multi-player TES game that will play (slightly) differently.  Thats serious potential is it not?

Stop trying to turn a game into what you want it to be and let it become what it will.  We will never have the change half of you cry for if we keep shitting on the ones trying to do something different.

Let the genre expand.  Stand behind you (unique) one you love to play. Let others feel the same about the rest.

Why is that wrong?

We were supposed to be getting an MMO set in tamriel with the ES lore, but instead we are getting a single player ES game you play online.  Damn, what a huge innovation that is for the MMO genre... /sarcasm

This is a single player sand box game that doesn't even deserve the title MMO.  These poor decisions might make for a decent ES single player game, but they also lead to poor retention, and then the game can't survive the long haul.

 

 

  azzamasin

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Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2830

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

 
OP  7/09/13 2:11:38 AM#46
Originally posted by Betaguy
Couple of jokers in my opinion who don't have a clue. I am sure they can't even dress themselves in the mornings.

 Wer're talking about Gary Gannon, one of the best Vlog sites on the web concerning MMO's.  His shows hosts the likes of MikeB AKA Fony and others.

 

The other guy is Scott Hawkes, Zam guru, possibly the 2nd or 3rd largest MMO site on the interwebs.

 

I'd hardly call these 2 guys clueless, but then that's your blind fanboism coming through making stuff up to make the game sound better to you.

 

As for the awards it got, most were from no-name websites with a tenth of the traffic of mainstream MMO sites.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  azzamasin

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Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2830

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

 
OP  7/09/13 2:15:11 AM#47
Originally posted by darkhalf357x
Originally posted by azzamasin

Episode 147 & 148 of This Week in MMO's has cast serious doubts on the game.  Anyone who hasn't watched should because Gary and Scott kind of try and fool themselves when the handwriting is on the wall.  This wasn't the first negative thoughts on the game either, I think Zenimax will have a tough sale unless they can fix the issues the games has and try to appeal to the MMO crowd.  Fairly certain 13 million console users are not going to be playing TESO when it comes out, even on a console and if they continue to alienate the MMO market, people like me who were defending every decision they made 2 months ago will soon switch.

 

This isn't good folks.

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/elder-scrolls-online-mmotwimmo-147/

http://www.gamebreaker.tv/video-game-shows/this-week-in-mmo-show/back-from-e3/

Dag bro, get rid of your pitch fork already. What are you rallying for? TESO is not going to be an MMO.  It will be a multi-player TES game that will play (slightly) differently.  Thats serious potential is it not?

Stop trying to turn a game into what you want it to be and let it become what it will.  We will never have the change half of you cry for if we keep shitting on the ones trying to do something different.

Let the genre expand.  Stand behind you (unique) one you love to play. Let others feel the same about the rest.

Why is that wrong?

 So you're wanting an MMO with all the failings and trappings of the last 6-7 years?  I don't know bout you but I think the majority of the games released since WoW has been a clusterf**k and calling for more of the same isn't going to do the game any justice.  If the game is to succeed as an MMO, it better damn well play like an MMO not a single player Elder Scrolls game because *Gasp* hard to believe this was the exact same model SWTOR took and is considered a failure by just about all.  Don't believe me, the Dev panel at Pax east even ripped on it a few times.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  azzamasin

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Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2830

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

 
OP  7/09/13 2:19:40 AM#48
Originally posted by Tierless

Who still thinks it has a chance? They basically admitted they took the TOR route and built a single player game then tacked on some MMO.

 Not a chance in hell given the direction they are taking the game.  Sad too because it had the potential to be 1 of the best Themepark MMO's with open exploration centric content since forever.  Now it's going the route that has doomed the likes of Rift, SWTOR, AoC, Aion and others.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  keithian

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Joined: 5/20/06
Posts: 3039

7/09/13 2:25:33 AM#49
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Tierless

Who still thinks it has a chance? They basically admitted they took the TOR route and built a single player game then tacked on some MMO.

 Not a chance in hell given the direction they are taking the game.  Sad too because it had the potential to be 1 of the best Themepark MMO's with open exploration centric content since forever.  Now it's going the route that has doomed the likes of Rift, SWTOR, AoC, Aion and others.

LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. This game will have exploration, not as open as Vanguard or single player Skyrim, but def open compared to many other MMOs. Can you please stop pulling stuff out of your #@! and stop baiting? Every game you mentioned hasn't shut down or have been going on for years so get a clue.

There Is Always Hope!

  Mothanos

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7/09/13 2:43:31 AM#50

Thing is that its a very harsh market these days.
If you dont create something special you just end up with low revenue and that is what makes mmo's sink even deeper with bizar cash shop and wicked ways to earn money.

I have seen a few clips of ESO and i wasnt impressed enough to say DAMN I WANT IT NOAW.
This can always change, i had this attitude with FF ARR also and then i played their beta and was impressed.
Not that its a game changing mmo, but becuase they say what you get and speak truth instead of hype.

The animations look horrible...
The world looks crappy...
The quests and game settings look like mmo number #43535353...

I realy hope they can turn it around and make something special.
But unless they change alot of big things i wont even touch it unless it free to play or buy to play like GW2.

Often you can see how competent developers are when looking at the engine and fighting animations.
The more love they give that, the more confidance i have buying it.
Questing aint that importand for me anymore tbh, there are only so much diffrent quest available and its mostly kill this bring me that untill you reach end game.


EQ and WoW totaly changed the market, you cant get away with hundred million dollar investments and earn it back with half assed mmo's.
They need to step up and quickly change the bad parts if they are still able to do that.....

  jimprouner

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7/09/13 3:45:14 AM#51
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by azzamasin
Originally posted by Tierless

Who still thinks it has a chance? They basically admitted they took the TOR route and built a single player game then tacked on some MMO.

 Not a chance in hell given the direction they are taking the game.  Sad too because it had the potential to be 1 of the best Themepark MMO's with open exploration centric content since forever.  Now it's going the route that has doomed the likes of Rift, SWTOR, AoC, Aion and others.

LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. This game will have exploration, not as open as Vanguard or single player Skyrim, but def open compared to many other MMOs. Can you please stop pulling stuff out of your #@! and stop baiting? Every game you mentioned hasn't shut down or have been going on for years so get a clue.

You can walk around or explore in any MMO, so WTF are you talking about?

 

Originally posted by azzamasin  Don't believe me, the Dev panel at Pax east even ripped on it a few times.

That is a really bad sign.  If the devs aren't psyched about the game, then why should I be.  When ESO devs talk about the game they act like its a chore. Its like someone told them to clean the toilets.

 

That is one of the main reasons I have my eyes set on Wildstar.  The devs talk like they love the game. 

  azzamasin

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We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

 
OP  7/09/13 10:26:25 AM#52
Originally posted by Gishgeron

  I honestly do not think there is much that can happen to ruin ESO chances of being a pretty large success, at least not in the first year.  You guys talk about how much influence the internet has in all of this...but that ignores a very important detail here.  The massive console market, and how little research its users tend to do.  Basically, anyone thats been buying Elder Scroll games on a console is gonna pick this up no matter what the MMO world thinks about it.  Its the same driving force that leads people to buy every new CoD game that comes out...even when some new ones play WAY worse than the last generation did.  They don't care, they roll with each release like its delicious candy. 

  Elder Scrolls has exactly the same kind of player behind it.  Oblivion took several steps back from Morrowind, in terms of character development and player options.  Game of the Year.  Skyrim did even more...less the player can actually do and become.  Its an even simpler game than the two before it.  Game of the Year.  Please....ESO is basically a money tree whether it sucks or not because how WE (the players on this board) define a good game has NO BEARING, apparently, on that market and what it wants to play.

  So the entire internet could trash this game.  Every gaming news outlet could trash this game.  Nothing is gonna stop several million people from buying and trying it.  Myself included.  I'm buying a PS4, and I'm going to play ESO, FF, DCUO, and D3.  End of story.  No matter how bad they are, being able to just play something with a few friends from the comfort of my couch with a controller in hand is worth dealing with it.  Thats where I stand on this, and, based on what I've seen from the market over the years, its where most console gamers stand too.

Sad that someone would support something bad considering the rut and stagnation the MMO market has been in since WoW released.  Posts like this is why I know this genre is doomed because mediocrity is not only OK but fine by the majority.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  Tierless

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7/09/13 10:55:17 AM#53

The fact that we even have to say things like "it has explore, not as good as an old game with good explore, but better than games with no explore" says enough. Sad times in this genre.

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  Tygranir

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7/09/13 11:03:06 AM#54
TESO will be a good game, but it will be a poor MMO. Just my opinion, but there it is.

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  Iadien

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7/09/13 11:04:38 AM#55

What's more important about that video if you have watched gamebreaker in the past is that they were all high on TESO, until recently.

  ElderRat

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7/09/13 11:06:20 AM#56
Originally posted by lizardbones

Well, they can't appeal to both markets. They have to pick one, and the TES market is probably the market that is more of a known quantity. I mean, if you're going to pick a market, are you going to pick the one that's established and defined, or the one that complains about everything that exists, everything that doesn't exist, and mostly plays WoW?

lol, thanks for my morning laugh. I agree.  

Currently bored with MMO's.

  chakalaka

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The thing is... you're important to a lot of people.

7/09/13 11:30:55 AM#57
It all looks prettty amazing to me.
  superconducting

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7/09/13 2:52:06 PM#58
Originally posted by jimprouner
Originally posted by superconducting

Congratulations! Now we all know to listen carefully to what you say and think EXACTLY the opposite.

Seriously, never seen somebody so glad to discredit themselves entirely...

Skyrim is such a cultural stable fad that merely insulting it is a social taboo.  Its like Apple computers, JFK ,or Marilyn Monroe.  People religiously defend it, but they don't know why.  They might even be completely ignorant of the subject, but they will still defend it with anything they have, which is usually insults.

 

TESO in a nutshell,

GW2 set in Tamriel.

If Skyrim is not to your liking or your type of game, fine, I'm OK with that. What I'm NOT OK with is painting it out to be a total disaster and showing such utter disrespect it makes you want to laugh. When you say stuff like what you said, your credibility immediately vanishes and you essentially disqualify yourself from the discussion. So here's a little hint for life: if you want people to take you more seriously, try not to sound like a troll next time.

  jimprouner

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7/09/13 5:04:23 PM#59
Originally posted by superconducting
Originally posted by jimprouner
Originally posted by superconducting

Congratulations! Now we all know to listen carefully to what you say and think EXACTLY the opposite.

Seriously, never seen somebody so glad to discredit themselves entirely...

Skyrim is such a cultural stable fad that merely insulting it is a social taboo.  Its like Apple computers, JFK ,or Marilyn Monroe.  People religiously defend it, but they don't know why.  They might even be completely ignorant of the subject, but they will still defend it with anything they have, which is usually insults.

 

TESO in a nutshell,

GW2 set in Tamriel.

If Skyrim is not to your liking or your type of game, fine, I'm OK with that. What I'm NOT OK with is painting it out to be a total disaster and showing such utter disrespect it makes you want to laugh. When you say stuff like what you said, your credibility immediately vanishes and you essentially disqualify yourself from the discussion. So here's a little hint for life: if you want people to take you more seriously, try not to sound like a troll next time.

You are a perfect example!

 

Here read this again,

Skyrim is such a cultural stable fad that merely insulting it is a social taboo.  Its like Apple computers, JFK ,or Marilyn Monroe.  People religiously defend it, but they don't know why.  They might even be completely ignorant of the subject, but they will still defend it with anything they have, which is usually insults.

That is you, defending Skyrim tooth and nail.  You act as if I offended your sister or something.  At least that I could respect, but not this.  This is just a game, and you have to realize and accept there are differences of opinion. 

  superconducting

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7/09/13 8:24:59 PM#60
Originally posted by jimprouner
Originally posted by superconducting
Originally posted by jimprouner
Originally posted by superconducting

Congratulations! Now we all know to listen carefully to what you say and think EXACTLY the opposite.

Seriously, never seen somebody so glad to discredit themselves entirely...

Skyrim is such a cultural stable fad that merely insulting it is a social taboo.  Its like Apple computers, JFK ,or Marilyn Monroe.  People religiously defend it, but they don't know why.  They might even be completely ignorant of the subject, but they will still defend it with anything they have, which is usually insults.

 

TESO in a nutshell,

GW2 set in Tamriel.

If Skyrim is not to your liking or your type of game, fine, I'm OK with that. What I'm NOT OK with is painting it out to be a total disaster and showing such utter disrespect it makes you want to laugh. When you say stuff like what you said, your credibility immediately vanishes and you essentially disqualify yourself from the discussion. So here's a little hint for life: if you want people to take you more seriously, try not to sound like a troll next time.

You are a perfect example!

 

Here read this again,

Skyrim is such a cultural stable fad that merely insulting it is a social taboo.  Its like Apple computers, JFK ,or Marilyn Monroe.  People religiously defend it, but they don't know why.  They might even be completely ignorant of the subject, but they will still defend it with anything they have, which is usually insults.

That is you, defending Skyrim tooth and nail.  You act as if I offended your sister or something.  At least that I could respect, but not this.  This is just a game, and you have to realize and accept there are differences of opinion. 

I'm not defending Skyrim. Did you even read what I said? I said "If Skyrim is not to your liking or your type of game, fine, I'm OK with that."

I also never took offense when you made insulting statements. Why would I care what 1 person thinks?

What I do have a problem with is how you went about making the point that you thought it sucks. If you think it sucks, fine, say that. Instead you chose to say things like you wanted your dog to shit on it or whatever. So once again, if you want to retain some level of credibility please don't say retarded things like that.

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