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  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

 
OP  7/06/13 9:57:53 AM#1

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/

They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.

**

I stumbled upon this from Slashdot, which is a great site for stuff like this, even if Cowboy has moved on.

http://games.slashdot.org/story/13/07/05/2346254/microsoft-integrating-xbox-one-advertising-with-kinect-to-profile-users-for-ads

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Dr_Shivinski

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7/06/13 10:01:50 AM#2

"Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'"

I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are. 

 

Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!

Here Siggy Siggy!

  lugal

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7/06/13 10:02:09 AM#3
Originally posted by lizardbones

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/

They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.

I did not read the link, but if they do it like how Amazon has with the Kindle, pay more for no adds, less for adds. I think it will be a good way to go, as long as prices are reduced for add supported ones. If they do not do as Amazon, then this will be another black eye that will dissuade consumers from purchasing.

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Which means his opinion is skewed
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  GeezerGamer

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Remember the blisters you'd get in the palm of your hand from the corner of that joystick?

7/06/13 10:05:01 AM#4
Who, in their right mind, would ever think Microsoft would go in the right direction........ever?

Recently started playing SWTOR. I am posting updates to my experience in this thread:
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  cribett

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“Accept the challenges so that you may feel the exhilaration of victory.”

7/06/13 10:08:16 AM#5

Okay Ads will be there on the PS4 as well no doubt it in my mind .... but why do Microsoft keep fucking themselves over by announcing shit like this .

Pure comedy!

  exwin

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7/06/13 10:12:57 AM#6

Far to many reasons to pass on this system.

Thanks, but no thanks Microsoft.

  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

 
OP  7/06/13 10:14:41 AM#7


Originally posted by lugal

Originally posted by lizardbones http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/ They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.
I did not read the link, but if they do it like how Amazon has with the Kindle, pay more for no adds, less for adds. I think it will be a good way to go, as long as prices are reduced for add supported ones. If they do not do as Amazon, then this will be another black eye that will dissuade consumers from purchasing.



It's on all the time. The idea is that the advertising is embedded alongside native material. Think Facebook inline advertising that is in theory targeted for you. The idea behind interactive ads sounds sort of neat, a pick your own adventure kind of thing, except it's advertising, not a game.

I've said this before, and I'll say it again here. Microsoft's OS business is flat and they are losing money on their business division. Bing was a flop. The XBox One is their "All In" strategy. They are trying to make up all of the money they aren't making on their OS, Business and Advertising divisions though the XB1 because their Entertainment division is the only division that's growing. I didn't see the Advertising angle, but I guess I should have since it's in the current XBox's home page, you just don't notice it that much.

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Dr_Shivinski

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7/06/13 10:16:11 AM#8
Originally posted by lugal
Originally posted by lizardbones

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/

They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.

I did not read the link, but if they do it like how Amazon has with the Kindle, pay more for no adds, less for adds. I think it will be a good way to go, as long as prices are reduced for add supported ones. If they do not do as Amazon, then this will be another black eye that will dissuade consumers from purchasing.

It is not just about the ads. That Kinect will be on at ALL times. Can anyone say with 100% certainty that they will know at all times what that thing is recording? Can they say with 100% certainty that someone hasn't snuck into the network and is watching/recording people? How do we know law enforcement hasn't already gotten Micro$oft to place a backdoor into XBL that allows them to use the Kinect as a bug? And who is to say they will go through the proper legal channels to obtain a warrant to do this? 

I know the favorite argument is "well if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about!" but that is not the case. I know it sounds really paranoid, but it is entirely possible. I worry more about the guy who isn't some form of law enforcement. The creep who could crack into XBL and record through Kinect and put up what ever was captured on the internet for everyone to see. I don't think it will be long before some dude jerkin it to the GTA V strip clubs ends up somewhere on the internet. (I mean really I just want to stroke in peace yo)

Here Siggy Siggy!

  Four0Six

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7/06/13 10:18:02 AM#9
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

"Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'"

I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are. 

 

Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  Dr_Shivinski

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7/06/13 10:20:20 AM#10
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

"Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'"

I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are. 

 

Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Glad to see people are contributing to the thread so well.

Here Siggy Siggy!

  lizardbones

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I've become dependent upon spell check. My apologies for stupid grammatical errors.

 
OP  7/06/13 10:21:30 AM#11


Originally posted by Four0Six

Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski "Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'" I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are.    Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



without my direct knowledge

Heh. Does make it easier to swallow, doesn't it?

For every large, complex problem, there is a simple, clear solution that also happens to be absolutely wrong.

  Four0Six

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7/06/13 10:23:30 AM#12
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

"Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'"

I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are. 

 

Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Glad to see people are contributing to the thread so well.

Sorry was caught off guard by your statement about the PC, damn now I'm laughing again. One has to go to GREAT lengths to not get "tracked" at minimum when on the net. I hear ya though. Privacy is gone, and as a Libertarian I am mad about it. I close my blinds at night just because. not because I am a criminal.

  Dr_Shivinski

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7/06/13 10:26:27 AM#13
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

"Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'"

I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are. 

 

Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Glad to see people are contributing to the thread so well.

Sorry was caught off guard by your statement about the PC, damn now I'm laughing again. One has to go to GREAT lengths to not get "tracked" at minimum when on the net. I hear ya though. Privacy is gone, and as a Libertarian I am mad about it. I close my blinds at night just because. not because I am a criminal.

"B-but if you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about right!?" 

And that is where our privacy goes to die.

Here Siggy Siggy!

  Quizzical

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7/06/13 10:28:51 AM#14
Originally posted by lugal
Originally posted by lizardbones

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/

They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.

I did not read the link, but if they do it like how Amazon has with the Kindle, pay more for no adds, less for adds. I think it will be a good way to go, as long as prices are reduced for add supported ones. If they do not do as Amazon, then this will be another black eye that will dissuade consumers from purchasing.

You have it backwards.  It's pay more, get more ads, and you have no other options.

  Four0Six

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Posts: 1026

7/06/13 10:34:07 AM#15
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
Originally posted by Four0Six
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski

"Dun worry guiz! it's just there for motion sensing, skype and listening for you to say 'Xbawkz AWN!!!'"

I'm sure plenty of us have inadvertently installed spyware onto our computers in the past. But if anyone installs this spyware directly into their home they deserve what ever happens to them. And I intend to let anyone I know who obtains that console know how much of a moron they really are. 

 

Long live PC where atleast I'm spied on without my direct knowledge!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Glad to see people are contributing to the thread so well.

Sorry was caught off guard by your statement about the PC, damn now I'm laughing again. One has to go to GREAT lengths to not get "tracked" at minimum when on the net. I hear ya though. Privacy is gone, and as a Libertarian I am mad about it. I close my blinds at night just because. not because I am a criminal.

"B-but if you're not a criminal you have nothing to worry about right!?" 

And that is where our privacy goes to die.

Hence me a Libertarian. I stand for Liberty. The Right says it must protect me from evil on the inside, the Left says it is protecting me from evil on the outside. To me, it is clear they both must be wrong. Again, I stand for Liberty.

 

On an internet note: www.duckduckgo.com, safe internet search engine. They don't save any of your search data so there is nothing for "prying eyes" to see.

  Po_gg

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7/06/13 10:34:15 AM#16
Originally posted by lugal
Originally posted by lizardbones

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/

They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.

I did not read the link, but if they do it like how Amazon has with the Kindle, pay more for no adds, less for adds. I think it will be a good way to go, as long as prices are reduced for add supported ones. If they do not do as Amazon, then this will be another black eye that will dissuade consumers from purchasing.

As others already wrote, it's a whole different league than Kindle, where you see some ads on your idle screen if you bought the cheaper version. Kinect isn't a choice, it's mandatory. It has not only your book/magazine purchases to use for profiling and target the ads, it has visual and audio, and not only about you, your whole living room and everyone in it, 24/7.

"The other way the company wants to use Kinect is to monitor what's going on in the living room to serve you group-appropriate content"

  Phry

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7/06/13 10:47:33 AM#17
Originally posted by Dr_Shivinski
Originally posted by lugal
Originally posted by lizardbones

http://hothardware.com/News/Microsoft-Integrates-Xbox-One-Advertising-with-Kinect-To-Profile-Users-and-Deliver-Ads/

They want to make the Xbox an Ad Centric Experience, including using the Kinect to see groups of people and serve up group appropriate advertising. Ugh.

I did not read the link, but if they do it like how Amazon has with the Kindle, pay more for no adds, less for adds. I think it will be a good way to go, as long as prices are reduced for add supported ones. If they do not do as Amazon, then this will be another black eye that will dissuade consumers from purchasing.

It is not just about the ads. That Kinect will be on at ALL times. Can anyone say with 100% certainty that they will know at all times what that thing is recording? Can they say with 100% certainty that someone hasn't snuck into the network and is watching/recording people? How do we know law enforcement hasn't already gotten Micro$oft to place a backdoor into XBL that allows them to use the Kinect as a bug? And who is to say they will go through the proper legal channels to obtain a warrant to do this? 

I know the favorite argument is "well if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to worry about!" but that is not the case. I know it sounds really paranoid, but it is entirely possible. I worry more about the guy who isn't some form of law enforcement. The creep who could crack into XBL and record through Kinect and put up what ever was captured on the internet for everyone to see. I don't think it will be long before some dude jerkin it to the GTA V strip clubs ends up somewhere on the internet. (I mean really I just want to stroke in peace yo)

Worry no more, be safe in the knowledge that the back door is there, and it works, a constant internet connection is not required because it will upload any suspicious recordings when the connection is available, along with timestamps and a quick photo of the person using the keyword that prompted the recording in the first place.

technology is a wonderful thing really

  korent1991

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7/06/13 10:53:06 AM#18
Originally posted by cribett

Okay Ads will be there on the PS4 as well no doubt it in my mind .... but why do Microsoft keep fucking themselves over by announcing shit like this .

Pure comedy!

not really neccessary... if Sony plays it right and announces that they're against ads on a gaming console might just be the final blow to microsofts xbox...

because why the hell would I want to see ads when I see them every 20 mins on the TV

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  vmoped

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7/06/13 10:53:18 AM#19

My favorite quote from MS about the XBONE ads is:

"...the advertisement we have is quite small and not disruptive so people are not aware of clicking on the banners because they know this is a part of the whole experience on the dash. "

I'm glad they: a) know what I consider disruptive which is any ad when I am already paying you for services; b) don't consider that if it is small and I am not aware that I am clicking banners then this is more disruptive (imo) to me.

I want a video game console to *drum roll* play video games on, not try to ninja ads in my face.  XBONE once again, has boned it.  Way to go MS, good job with understanding what gamers want (at least in my, and 4 friends case).

I know everyone wants to load up their new halo game and be bombarded with buy this or that.  Might as well go ahead and put in forced ads during load screens while your at it MS, or better yet, have a forced pause to watch an ad to continue in the game.  Why stop at your dashboard...

/sarcasmoff

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7/06/13 10:53:25 AM#20
People see ads on their pcs and internet everyday. This isn't an issue unless people want to make it one.
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