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  ElderRat

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7/03/13 5:10:04 PM#21
Originally posted by Hokie

Well technically Terrawen he could use all that isk to purchase a character and then still not know how to play the game.

 

What Im trying to say and what a lot of other EVE players will say. Is there is no winning in EVE, because EVE has no end game.

this.   In my opinion the only way to actually win at EVE is to become a functioning part of that universe. Find your niche. Can be anything, only your imagination is the limit. For example I played for awhile as a small time janitorial service. I would operate in 0.6 systems and kill npc rats and salvage them and also salvage the messy wrecks miners left while defending themselves. it was a living, I mad isk, not tons but some. Miners got to know me and when I was in system would tell me where the wrecks were.  It was a niche. I filled it, I was a tiny cog in the machine.  To me, in EVE, that is a Win. So is being part of a major null-sec alliance. Or speculation trading, or building ships, or exploring wormholes. Find your niche, make it you, and play the game... if you are having fun, if you are good at it.. how is that not a win. The beauty of a game like EVE is that there is no endgame, no set way to play. So Winning is having fun and being part of. My opinion.

Currently bored with MMO's.

  Talonsin

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7/03/13 5:15:43 PM#22

I have billions of ISK I earned in-game though the market but I absolutely SUCK at PVP. 

 

If anything Eve is not the pay-to-play game you think it is.  Many large corps have several people with more money than sense who give out plex so you can play for free just for helping the corp a bit. 

  Mors.Magne

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7/03/13 5:17:13 PM#23
The people with the most power in Eve are the people who run the big powerful alliances.
  Brume

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7/03/13 5:22:39 PM#24
Like many others poeples already said.. you don't have to pay to win in Eve Online. But as the tendency of paying to win have never been so high, Eve do not completly escape that little fact. As you don't really need to pay for any items or bonus, multi-accounting is the way of Eve Online pay to win. In fact if you want to get rich fast, own multiples account. You will be able to pvp in ""bad rep Alliance'' and carebears in others. If you want to mine, it can give you a huge boost as well... 
  uplink4242

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7/03/13 5:53:29 PM#25

it's not even about the money. $20 for 500m isk is not a very good conversion and it won't be sustainable unless you spend literally thousands. why? because there is technically no permanent investment. you could spend $2000 worth or plex to buy a titan and that too can be destroyed (and it will if you don't know how to play) and all your money is gone.

 

a knowledeagle player can technically make some income selling plex I guess. in that sense it can be a little pay2win I agree. However, the best advantafe you can get if you're willing to dump loads of $$ into the game is with alts. Miner alts, PI alts, scout alts, spy alts can be extremly useful for example.

  Dreamo84

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I actually still like MMORPGs

 
OP  7/03/13 5:54:36 PM#26
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Fendel84M

I always hear Eve being hailed as the shining beacon of subscription MMO hope. But, I looked into this plex thing...

Is it true I can just buy all the Plex I want with my credit card and then sell it in game to become crazy rich? That seems at least somewhat pay to win...they are basically being their own gold sellers.

Eve is probably the most monetized MMORPG out there. You can buy EVERYTHING with real money, including high skilled characters in their own character bazaar.

The fact that Eve is so much more than just your characters skills and items does not change that fact.

So saying Eve is a successful sub game isn't 100% true then. There's a lot of monetization outside of a base subscription it seems.

  Stimz

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7/03/13 5:57:08 PM#27
Unless ya use that isk to buy an accoun( Which you probably still wont be able to play right) then no, its not really pay to win. it takes probably 6+ months just to get the right skills to fly really good ships, so even with a TON of isk, its pretty useless, for a good while.

  uplink4242

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7/03/13 6:03:00 PM#28
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Fendel84M

I always hear Eve being hailed as the shining beacon of subscription MMO hope. But, I looked into this plex thing...

Is it true I can just buy all the Plex I want with my credit card and then sell it in game to become crazy rich? That seems at least somewhat pay to win...they are basically being their own gold sellers.

Eve is probably the most monetized MMORPG out there. You can buy EVERYTHING with real money, including high skilled characters in their own character bazaar.

The fact that Eve is so much more than just your characters skills and items does not change that fact.

So saying Eve is a successful sub game isn't 100% true then. There's a lot of monetization outside of a base subscription it seems.

Technically there is, but if you ask any experienced player what they would do with a surplus of $ every month and 9 out of 10 they will all tell you they'd spend it on alt accounts instead. The amount of ISK you get for selling plex isn't that high, or sells that fast. I also believe there is a restriction on how many PLEX you can purchase from 1 account but I'm not sure.

  whisperwynd

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7/03/13 6:15:00 PM#29
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Yamota
Originally posted by Fendel84M

I always hear Eve being hailed as the shining beacon of subscription MMO hope. But, I looked into this plex thing...

Is it true I can just buy all the Plex I want with my credit card and then sell it in game to become crazy rich? That seems at least somewhat pay to win...they are basically being their own gold sellers.

Eve is probably the most monetized MMORPG out there. You can buy EVERYTHING with real money, including high skilled characters in their own character bazaar.

The fact that Eve is so much more than just your characters skills and items does not change that fact.

So saying Eve is a successful sub game isn't 100% true then. There's a lot of monetization outside of a base subscription it seems.

  Say whatever you need to make you feel better about liking/hating EVE. It is what it is. You can buy plex for ingame currency to buy almost anything. Can you use what you bought well (to make you "win") is an another beast altogether. You can also earn ingame currency to buy Plex for more game time effectively making the game free-to-play.

  You take that and justify whichever view best suits your stance and leave it at that. Had you even tried the free trial you'd have come to your own conclusion of how the economy works and whether it's for you or not. 

  Simply seems like you have an agenda here that doesn't really inquire but tries to pigeon hole an attitude towards EVE. GL to you all the same. BTW, I no longer play and not because of its subscription or its 'cash shop'.

  Mors.Magne

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7/04/13 8:02:10 AM#30

The most precious and powerful commodity in Eve isn't ISK - it's time. 

It takes time to become the most powerful person in Eve. The most powerful person in Eve is The Mittani without any doubt whatsoever.

 

It must have taken a lot of time and dedication to do this. 

ISK is potentially infinite. However, time is not - time is a limited resource - we eventually run out of it and die.

 

So the question that the OP should be asking is: "Do I really want to be the 'best' (most powerful) in Eve, or is my passion in life something else?"

 

At best, an infinite amount of ISK might get you to become one of The Mittani's leutenants, but only a massive expense of time would make you more powerful than The Mittani.

  NightBandit

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Make friends not money, then wealth will follow.

7/04/13 8:08:33 AM#31
Originally posted by Fendel84M

I always hear Eve being hailed as the shining beacon of subscription MMO hope. But, I looked into this plex thing...

Is it true I can just buy all the Plex I want with my credit card and then sell it in game to become crazy rich? That seems at least somewhat pay to win...they are basically being their own gold sellers.

People are paying £9.99 pm and it has a busy server so for them to be charging a monthly subscription and people are willing to pay it I would say you answered your own question.

The Bandit

  DigitallyEndowed

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7/04/13 8:16:39 AM#32

Seems pretty straightforward to me; once you have levelled up the skills you need to utilize the best ship for your specific goal, if you have also accumulated the currency required to obtain said ship, then it’s not pay to win. If however by the point you have all the skills you need you have not been able to get enough currency, then buying it with real money would indeed be pay to win.


I don’t play Eve so I can’t say either way.


  Jester92

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7/04/13 11:21:13 AM#33
Lol trust me, coming from a 6 year veteran, no amount of isk will save you from getting absolutely demolished by a t1 frig gang, or a well trained pilot in any ship... eve is in no way at all pay to win.

J. B.

  bcbully

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7/04/13 11:44:32 AM#34

the first time I logged in, I felt that it was. Being able to use real money to buy ISK, and then selling it for in game currency was something i was very much against. That was years ago.

 

I play Wushu now, like EVE, sure you can get RL cash into the game, but if you think that's gonna let/make you win, your in for a long expensive bumpy ride. 

  Kyleran

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7/04/13 12:03:47 PM#35
At no point during my 4 years in Eve did I ever feel like I lost to someone because they outspent me with real life cash. More experience, better tactics, stronger nerve, better friends all were the underlying causes to my demise.

Arrogant, Condescending, Dismissive, Elitist, "Meany", you speak as if these are bad things?
"People can do with their money what they want. But... that doesn't make it smart" - COORS
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  Chram

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7/04/13 12:07:15 PM#36

There is no "winning" at EVE.

If you set yourself certain goals, then yes, buying plex may bring you closer to them in some cases. But the PLEX sellers are overwhelmingly guys with too little in game time who don't want to spend that precious time doing an activity they consider boring (making isk), so they make a little financial buffer for themselves. That keeps them sane and playing and enables others to be able to shoot at them, which they gladly do. 

One can even say both sides are winning!

  Strana

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7/04/13 12:30:26 PM#37

I think some people also forget that Eve is a free market economy.  You put 1000 plex on market a once and you still have to wait for people to buy them.  I can also guarantee you it will drop the value of plex on market . So, you won't even be getting 500m isk for each of them.

 

The most valuable thing in Eve is TRUST.

  Mors.Magne

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7/04/13 12:48:16 PM#38
Originally posted by Strana

I think some people also forget that Eve is a free market economy.  You put 1000 plex on market a once and you still have to wait for people to buy them.  I can also guarantee you it will drop the value of plex on market . So, you won't even be getting 500m isk for each of them.

 

The most valuable thing in Eve is TRUST.

 

No - the most precious commodity in Eve is time - as it is in real life.

In other words, the time you actually spend playing the game - not time logged off while gathering skill points.

For example, trust takes time to build up.

Ability takes practice and this is far more a product of time than innate skill. (Just like passing exams in real life.)

  godpuppet

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7/04/13 1:07:32 PM#39

PLEX was developed as CCP's solution to fighting the rampant gold farmers that were aparent in EVE.

 

Go back a few years and a vast majority of 0.6+ empire space was completely mined out and the price of high sec ores & minerals was seriously devalued. This caused newer players to struggle making money from mining, forcing them to risk more dangerous ventures. Gold Farmers advertised gold in every channel and it was becoming quite a problem.

As selling gold was prohibited it still happened, and it had an averse effect on the game world. Lets face it, it was going to happen, no matter what CCP did, so why shouldnt they take a piece of the cut, and be able to control it so the economy isnt ruined.

 

With the introduction of PLEX, people who have lots of isk, but no IRL money have an ingame cashsink and players who have money but no time can keep playing whilst keeping money going into CCP's bank account. Benefit.

Gold farmers found business more difficult as players would rather use legitimate means, where their account wont get banned. Bye bye gold farmers.

 

Now?

Mining in highsec is now much easier, profits from high sec ores & minerals have improved, thus improving new players seeking to be miners. No more gold ads. CCP can also track the income and ougoings of Isk.

 

As for whether owning bills of isk is pay to win, it seriously isnt. Surviving in EVE isnt about having the biggest, bestest fastest ship. Its learning how and when you should fight. If an opponent has the tip off on you, he can go back to a station, refit to something that will easily beat you (ie with jammers, short range/long range weapons, anti missile/resists/hardeners etc). There is no setup to win them all, and ive seen new players absolutely destroyer older players merely becuase they had the intel and smart configurations.

 

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  Loktofeit

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7/04/13 1:18:26 PM#40
Originally posted by Fendel84M
Originally posted by Terrawen
What are you going to do with all that money? Buy a bunch of stuff you can't use because it takes real time to learn skills?

Don't you have to buy ships and stuff though? Does currency just have no value in the game then?

It was my understanding the economy was all player driven, which would mean you could buy everything rather than having to find loot etc. I do realize you can't use currency to gain skills though. But paying money would give you an edge I would think over normal subscription only  players.

You've accomplished several things, none of which are 'paying to win' or 'getting an edge'.

  • You've just paid the monthly sub for the normal subscription players.
  • You've just bought a bunch of equipment that, even if you did have the character skills to use it, you don't have the player skill to use it properly, so you are about to give a good chunk of that ISK back to the normal subscription players in the form of whatever is leftover after you get blown to bit.
  • You've just become That Kill Mail that will amuse the normal subscription players on the forums and social media channels for a couple days.

 

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