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  reddog00

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Joined: 2/11/04
Posts: 121

Control is an illusion!!!

6/26/13 4:23:49 PM#121

I have been playing computer/console games since way back in 1974.  I have seen the industry from the beginning.  All I can say is;

"Thank god for the return of p2p.  Microtransaction/DLC model is a gaming consumers' worst nightmare!!!  PERIOD!!!"

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Control is an illusion!

  RavenHighwind

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Joined: 6/26/13
Posts: 25

6/26/13 4:29:15 PM#122

I'm absolutely loving the rebirth of not only FFXIV but SE in general. It warms my heart to see a company that TRULY cares about their franchise. They are working till their hands bleed and that kind of dedication really is showing in the new work they are releasing.

Honestly FFXIV:ARR is the first title released under this rebirth of SE. There's now a new President and they have become more open. This year, up until the launch of FFXV will really give us more insight on if SE has really risen from the ashes like the Phoenix.

  DoomLord

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Joined: 1/23/04
Posts: 124

6/26/13 4:33:21 PM#123
Originally posted by Mardukk
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
I will be playing this game until Archeage (that will be GotY). I enjoy the game thoughly even if its built like Rift/GW2

ArcheAge failed as P2P in the East, it's going to crash and burn even as F2P in the West. Sorry.

It's just the next TSW/GW2/TOR/ESO/Wildstart/WAR etc. over hyped game that can never live up to the expectations.

At least AA is trying to do something different and give people a small amount of freedom.  This game is the same no freedom game we have all played since 2004.  Hype has nothing to do with features and this game just doesn't have anything mildly thrilling about it (unless you are a FF fan or someone brand new to MMOs).

 

Edit:  Why is everyone making a big deal about the payment model?  The game design is 1000x more important.

 I agree game content means more but look at F2P content to P2P content before asking why people are arguing over the payment type.

F2P has limited content updates P2P  have to keep you interested so up-date more often with large expansions.

as always there are exceptions to the rule but few and far between.

  Ehllfhire

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Joined: 8/11/10
Posts: 579

Playing the FFXIV 2.0 Demo

6/26/13 5:47:40 PM#124
Originally posted by BadSpock
Originally posted by Ehllfhire
I will be playing this game until Archeage (that will be GotY). I enjoy the game thoughly even if its built like Rift/GW2

ArcheAge failed as P2P in the East, it's going to crash and burn even as F2P in the West. Sorry.

It's just the next TSW/GW2/TOR/ESO/Wildstart/WAR etc. over hyped game that can never live up to the expectations.

I dont think you understand the word overhyped. Nor the words sandbox not themepark.

Any graphical, audio, or gameplay restrictions not seen in other mmos but found in FFXIV can be blamed on one thing.
PS3

  AliceKaye

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Joined: 1/01/07
Posts: 838

The rantings and ramblings of an MMO addict…

6/26/13 6:41:07 PM#125
I love the fact that this game has a subscription model. I played throughout a lot of 1.0 and I plan to play 2.0. Been enjoying the beta and can't wait for open beta. It's a great game. I'm very happy that SE decided to re-undertake this. I think it's going to do very well.

  Vannor

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Joined: 8/11/03
Posts: 2983

6/26/13 6:44:00 PM#126

If this isn't going ftp or is going to have a character wipe then I don't want to see a review or a review in progress until 'release'. Seriously. You can not start reviewing an actual proper open beta, it's not right.

I'm not saying that as a fan or anything, I bloody hated the disgusting game they released the first time.

 
  madazz

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Joined: 10/07/03
Posts: 1300

6/26/13 6:49:03 PM#127
They would be wise to ignore the micro-transaction method that the east introduced to the west (The author is a bit new to the genre it seems). Upfront profits do not equal long term profits. Ask all the other struggling F2P games. Only a select few do it right.
  Grakulen

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Joined: 3/07/12
Posts: 420

6/26/13 7:05:08 PM#128
@Vannor. Those games were charging people. As long as this game is having legit betas we won't start the review.
  Vannor

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Joined: 8/11/03
Posts: 2983

6/26/13 7:16:04 PM#129
Originally posted by Grakulen
@Vannor. Those games were charging people. As long as this game is having legit betas we won't start the review.

ok, it was just the closing paragraph makes it sound like you were planning to review the open beta. :)

  Etherignis

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Joined: 6/28/12
Posts: 242

6/26/13 7:20:57 PM#130
This discussion is like beating a dead horse, im looking forward too august 27, like i said before SE could have gave us the middle finger and took all the money they made from ffxiv 1.0 and move on but they didn't, its risky wat SE is doing by starting over and invest in ffxiv. Hey at least if u purchase ffxiv 1.0 u can dl ffxiv 2.0 for free.
  linadragon

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Joined: 5/24/05
Posts: 74

6/26/13 7:35:59 PM#131
Originally posted by wowclones
Originally posted by DMKano

I think that 2-3 months post launch it will be painfully obvious to Square Enix how P2P is not a good model in the western markets anymore. That is where you see significant sub dropoff at the end of there 2nd month, and then due to low influx of new players you are left in a tough position.

Decent game, but not strong enough to thrive as a P2P title in F2P market.

Just my opinion, it will be interesting to see how this goes.

 

Couldn't have said it better. If people are able to max level before the 30 days of free play, this game is doomed. Going to be interesting to see a AAA title try subscription again. I am sure they already have the future plan laid out to go F2P when subs get low and box sales dry up.

 

Please tell me you are joking you can pretty much cap in WoW in a month if you do shit right yet it had a ton of subs. It will depend on if there is more content at max level and if there is player driven things more so than being able to cap level.... Considering you have multiple jobs/classes to level on top of that and 3 separate city stories it could do very well.. 

  Grakulen

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Joined: 3/07/12
Posts: 420

6/26/13 7:44:15 PM#132
Originally posted by Vannor

ok, it was just the closing paragraph makes it sound like you were planning to review the open beta. :)

 

I'll continue to share my impressions of the game once it gets into open beta but I would not use that to score the game.

  jinxxed0

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Joined: 4/22/06
Posts: 845

6/26/13 8:35:18 PM#133
Originally posted by silverreign

 


Originally posted by Etherignis
I hope this game stay p2p and keep the f2p garbage away from this game.

 

+10000000

I hope so as well. Communities are kept somewhat decent when the game isn't free to play. I wish all these games going free to play would have a free player only server  and leave the rest of the servers untouched. Most gamers don't want to play with teens, not even other teens.

 
 
Everyone saying this game will go free to play or wish it would go f2p obviously haven;t played the beta. This game is actually fun to play. As a jaded MMO gamer who has been playing them for almost 15 years, I can easily say this is the first MMO in a long time that I've played where it's actually fun and not mediocre. This wont be like TSW, GW2, Aion, etc etc. This MMO is actually good and doesn't just have a few good things going for it. I hope there's a free trial so people will try it, see how great it actually is, and shut up about free to play. I'm not a square of FF fan by a long shot. I genuinely think this is a well made MMO. No idea what 1.0 was like, but 2.0 is great for those of us who actually like that since of adventuring a vast and interesting world and not just leveling up to get the best stuff.
  jonesing22

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Joined: 9/01/10
Posts: 682

6/26/13 8:43:05 PM#134
Originally posted by Volkon

"If you are five levels over the active FATE you can kickdown to match the level. If you choose to match the level of the FATE you will be rewarded with experience and money that is commensurate with the true level of your active job. You can also choose not to down level and over power the content. It is nice to run around and one shot mobs from time to time and really feel how powerful your character has become as opposed to how your character started off. Automatically down ranking characters would never allow for this."

 

Great, just great. Let's give people the option of griefing lower level zones and players out of their content and see if they use it. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah unfortunately, people in general can't be trusted and need these restriction. 

  Grakulen

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Joined: 3/07/12
Posts: 420

6/26/13 8:50:40 PM#135
Originally posted by Etherignis
This discussion is like beating a dead horse, im looking forward too august 27, like i said before SE could have gave us the middle finger and took all the money they made from ffxiv 1.0 and move on but they didn't, its risky wat SE is doing by starting over and invest in ffxiv. Hey at least if u purchase ffxiv 1.0 u can dl ffxiv 2.0 for free.

Square Enix has not made money on FFXIV. In fact they have done nothing but lose money. 

This is from their 2011 earnings (loss) report.

The quote is from then president Yoichi Wada.

"The Year’s Shortcomings

We did not have success from our new releases during the year. 

 Amid the intensification of competition in the console game software market, a polarization 

has emerged between the very best games and those which do not earn a profit. Our mistake 

was not reacting with sufficient regard to such an environment. We failed to thoroughly perfect 

certain products in the rush to launch new IPs. The release of mid-class debut titles with an 

intention to raise quality in future iterations can be seen as our failure. Further, we stumbled in the 

launch of our “FINAL FANTASY XIV” online game, a title which held our utmost confidence.

 Weakness was discovered in the management of the development organization. For this, we 

must apologize to our customers and our shareholders. However, instead of giving up and shutting 

down, we have renewed the team and are working hard to recover the FINAL FANTASY brand 

and rebuild our presence in the MMORPG space. Progress is taking place at an extremely high 

rate, and we are enthusiastic about the revival to “top-title” status in the near future. 

Learning from these mistakes, we decided to concentrate our focus on approximately 10 new 

and existing key franchises from the second half of the fiscal year under review. For these titles, 

we have established a development system without compromise. As a result, we delayed the 

launch of the upcoming “DEUS EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION” from the fiscal year under review 

upon our decision to spend more time in further polishing the quality of the title.

 The weakness of new releases, a stumble in “FINAL FANTASY XIV” and the delay of “DEUS 

EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION” were the primary factors resulting in operating income of ¥7.3 billion, 

substantially lower than forecast at the start of the fiscal year and the lowest level in our company history"

 

You can read the whole report on their website. This isn't cloak and dagger stuff. This is a corporation. They have investors.They have to report to them. No matter what any of them tell you. They just had a CEO step down this year because things are so bad.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_20110826_01en.pdf

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/ar.

 

In the interest of giving credit where credit is due I can only say bravo on their decision to rework the game and the speed at which they have made the changes. But don't let anyone from SE tell you for a minute they did this because the game was profitable but just didn't live up to their expectations. If they do they are just lying to your face.

  Swiftrevoir

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Joined: 8/13/05
Posts: 162

6/26/13 8:56:38 PM#136

I'm not in the least worried about it going F2P.  There are more than enough people who see the benefit of P2P and are interested in the FF universe.  I actually would quit if it ever went F2P because I know what it would mean for the advancement of the game, as in there would be no reason to invest my time if it turns out to have the sort of updates and gameplay additions that I see in F2P games. 

I'll admit I didn't play the original FF XIV and I'm a HUGE fan of FF.  This rendition of the game has sold me, through the information given before and now my experiences in beta.  I'm sure I'm not the only one with this impression.   With the new importance put on publicity and the refinement of the game there will be a substantial crowd not counting the relieved 1.0 players.

  Swiftrevoir

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Joined: 8/13/05
Posts: 162

6/26/13 9:00:51 PM#137
Originally posted by Grakulen
Originally posted by Etherignis
This discussion is like beating a dead horse, im looking forward too august 27, like i said before SE could have gave us the middle finger and took all the money they made from ffxiv 1.0 and move on but they didn't, its risky wat SE is doing by starting over and invest in ffxiv. Hey at least if u purchase ffxiv 1.0 u can dl ffxiv 2.0 for free.

Square Enix has not made money on FFXIV. In fact they have done nothing but lose money. 

This is from their 2011 earnings (loss) report.

The quote is from then president Yoichi Wada.

"The Year’s Shortcomings

We did not have success from our new releases during the year. 

 Amid the intensification of competition in the console game software market, a polarization 

has emerged between the very best games and those which do not earn a profit. Our mistake 

was not reacting with sufficient regard to such an environment. We failed to thoroughly perfect 

certain products in the rush to launch new IPs. The release of mid-class debut titles with an 

intention to raise quality in future iterations can be seen as our failure. Further, we stumbled in the 

launch of our “FINAL FANTASY XIV” online game, a title which held our utmost confidence.

 Weakness was discovered in the management of the development organization. For this, we 

must apologize to our customers and our shareholders. However, instead of giving up and shutting 

down, we have renewed the team and are working hard to recover the FINAL FANTASY brand 

and rebuild our presence in the MMORPG space. Progress is taking place at an extremely high 

rate, and we are enthusiastic about the revival to “top-title” status in the near future. 

Learning from these mistakes, we decided to concentrate our focus on approximately 10 new 

and existing key franchises from the second half of the fiscal year under review. For these titles, 

we have established a development system without compromise. As a result, we delayed the 

launch of the upcoming “DEUS EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION” from the fiscal year under review 

upon our decision to spend more time in further polishing the quality of the title.

 The weakness of new releases, a stumble in “FINAL FANTASY XIV” and the delay of “DEUS 

EX: HUMAN REVOLUTION” were the primary factors resulting in operating income of ¥7.3 billion, 

substantially lower than forecast at the start of the fiscal year and the lowest level in our company history"

 

You can read the whole report on their website. This isn't cloak and dagger stuff. This is a corporation. They have investors.They have to report to them. No matter what any of them tell you. They just had a CEO step down this year because things are so bad.

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/pdf/ar_20110826_01en.pdf

http://www.hd.square-enix.com/eng/ir/library/ar.

 

In the interest of giving credit where credit is due I can only say bravo on their decision to rework the game and the speed at which they have made the changes. But don't let anyone tell you for a minute they did this because the game was profitable but just didn't live up to their expectations. If they do they are just lying to your face.

 

They're a humble yet proud company with the true Japanese spirit.  Despite wanting something to live up to the name of Final Fantasy and the reputation Squareenix has, it was shame from releasing a less than successful iteration of the series when they have the manpower and creativity to do much better. 

  Ice-Queen

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Joined: 1/02/08
Posts: 2430

"Always borrow money from a pessimist. They won't expect it back."

6/26/13 9:11:01 PM#138
I may have to try the game out solely on the reason it is a subscription based mmorpg. I despise the so called "free to play" & "Buy to play" mmo's out there atm.

What happens when you log off your characters????.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFQhfhnjYMk
Dark Age of Camelot

  Arthasm

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Joined: 7/26/09
Posts: 632

6/26/13 9:27:25 PM#139

P2P? P2P??? Really, Square Enix???

Count me in!!! But, I hope there will be enough and challenging content, to keep me subbed more than 3 months.

  ElRenmazuo

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6/26/13 9:38:14 PM#140
Originally posted by Arthasm

P2P? P2P??? Really, Square Enix???

Count me in!!! But, I hope there will be enough and challenging content, to keep me subbed more than 3 months.

After level 15 there is tons of group content from the 18 dungeons at release to guildhests, to fates, and PvP.  Some of the solo missions for the main story and class story is also difficult which you will find out around level 10.  And some parts of the main story also requires group dungeons. Im guessing getting the special artifact armor for each Job will also be very challenging.  On top of that leveling other classes from level 1 to maximize your main class with their additional skills.  There is a lot of other things to keep you busy too like hunting logs and levequests.  And the crafters are their own class too that learn their own skills with a deep crafting system.  And to top it off there will be housing with player neighbor hoods with up to 20-30 player houses in each instanced neighborhood, its similar to lotro housing.

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