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  Zarriya

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6/26/13 9:41:49 AM#41

A good article Robert, I feel the same as you do towards this game.

 

  Grakulen

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6/26/13 9:47:07 AM#42
@frealms. That should say subscription only. Many games have sub options. And yes there are a few fringe sub only games left but at this point, with all due respect to Mythic, do you consider WAR AAA? And in the West is FFXI really a major game any more? I'd say not really. Also games like EvE have plex so you can get around the sub there too. You may not agree with how I qualify that statement but I've done my homework.

@QSatu If you have 100 people in the same fate effects are going to add up. I'm comparing it to games like Rift where the particles got so out of control everything just looked like a big ball of sparkle ponies.
  aslan132

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6/26/13 9:49:52 AM#43

I dont mind the fact that this is going to be P2P. I hope it turns out to be better quality like some here seem to think comes from the sub model. (Spoiler: it doesnt). 

 

Unfortunately, this wont come down to P2P vs F2P. The sad truth is, even those willing to pay a sub price wont stay with the game very long when the server they are on dies. You severly limit your player base with a subscription, and the worlds will feel like a ghost town after the initial month of game time runs out. Two months after launch, you wont see any players outside the highest zone. And if you wait to level your other classes, you will be doing solo, because there wont be any new players coming in. Good luck.

  Kuppa

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6/26/13 9:58:07 AM#44
Thanks for your thoughts. Will you be checking out OB? I'm looking forward to see more details on what you think about the game and will you be doing streams on it?


  ajcohen63

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6/26/13 10:01:20 AM#45

Having tried out the console version and the PC version. My opinion is that the game is much better on the PC than on the PS3.  The graphics are significantly lower quality.  When I played it  on the console it lacked good social interactions. The real fun in MMOs is social interaction. PS3 players dont often chat in open zones because they dont have a keyboard.  Whereas on the PC it was smooth and a standard MMO.   What made DCUO effective on the PS3 was area voice chat.  I really think that needs to be implemented for the Console.

In my opinion they should go buy to play if they want to be successful on consoles.  I wouldnt mind pay 2 play on PC for this game, but it is in no way worth the subscription on a console. I liked that version much better. But the PS3 beta is just people running around mindlessy questing and it plays much more like an standard RPG than MMO.  .

Square enix has a challenge in finding the right model for both systems.

 

 

  Lazarus71

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6/26/13 10:07:26 AM#46
Originally posted by ajcohen63

Having tried out the console version and the PC version. My opinion is that the game is much better on the PC than on the PS3.  The graphics are significantly lower quality.  When I played it  on the console it lacked good social interactions. The real fun in MMOs is social interaction. PS3 players dont often chat in open zones because they dont have a keyboard.  Whereas on the PC it was smooth and a standard MMO.   What made DCUO effective on the PS3 was area voice chat.  I really think that needs to be implemented for the Console.

In my opinion they should go buy to play if they want to be successful on consoles.  I wouldnt mind pay 2 play on PC for this game, but it is in no way worth the subscription on a console. I liked that version much better. But the PS3 beta is just people running around mindlessy questing and it plays much more like an standard RPG than MMO.  .

Square enix has a challenge in finding the right model for both systems.

 

 

You do realize that PC and PS3 players are on the same servers? Also you can plug any usb keyboard in to the PS3 (As I have been) to chat. 

Also the graphics on the PS3 being of lower quality should come as no surprise seeing as the PS3 has been out for 7 years...

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  Grakulen

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6/26/13 10:10:06 AM#47
@kuppa as soon as they drop the NDA and let us stream I will. I will also be playing in open beta and continuing to share my opinions.
  Blazeyer

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6/26/13 10:20:21 AM#48
2 points: There is more than just WoW left in the AAA memo subscription market (sorry to the writer). FFXI is still sub, and is still very very healthy in terms of numbers and content updates. Also; to those who are saying "game should be f2p! I can max out in the first 30 days!"... no, you can't. Go ahead and take your 1 class to 50. Go right ahead and try to participate with your 1 level 50 class, no materia, no subclass skills. See if you stack up to other players. Go ahead, I'll wait.
  LacedOpium

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6/26/13 10:26:07 AM#49
Originally posted by aslan132

I dont mind the fact that this is going to be P2P. I hope it turns out to be better quality like some here seem to think comes from the sub model. (Spoiler: it doesnt). 

 

Unfortunately, this wont come down to P2P vs F2P. The sad truth is, even those willing to pay a sub price wont stay with the game very long when the server they are on dies. You severly limit your player base with a subscription, and the worlds will feel like a ghost town after the initial month of game time runs out. Two months after launch, you wont see any players outside the highest zone. And if you wait to level your other classes, you will be doing solo, because there wont be any new players coming in. Good luck.

Your problem is that you are basing your opinion on your experience with other game franchises.  FFIV is not just any other game franchise.  They are their own boss and can afford to weather storms that other game franchises can not.  If you have not already done so, you need to read Yoshi-P's opinion on the P2P/F2P markets.  He addresses all of your points in great detail, and why come rain or come shine, FFIV will remain P2P for ever.

 

If FFXI is still around and kicking as a P2P game after almost a decade, what makes you think they won't do the same with FFIV?  Personally, I am glad FFIV will be P2P.  As others have said, this will increase the quality of not only the game, but the community as well. I sincerely believe that this is the one "pure" MMORPG game that I will remain subscribed to for a long time.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/26/13 10:29:21 AM#50

It'll stay pay to play until it either

A. dies from obscurity in 2040, or

B. dies a lot quicker.

All of you wishing for Free to play, sorry, it will never ever ever ever ever happen on this title, read about the game a bit, Yoshi has already stated it will NEVER be free to play, EVER.  FFXI is STILL pay to play.

So please lets focus on other topics, thanks.

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/26/13 10:31:56 AM#51
  Beastn

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6/26/13 10:32:05 AM#52

I tried this game out...but boy oh boy do you HAVE to be a fan of either the FF series or Asian art to even play this game!!

 

I know that's terrible that I can't play a game simply because I can't keep my avatar from looking like Justin Bieber or in one case a 3 year old little girl....But I can't...I tried, but I just can't..Shoot me but when I think of a mythical warrior, out in the wilds fighting monsters for days maybe even weeks on end, facing life or death on a daily bases....I don't think he would have the time to reapply his mascara in between fights with...well bunnies, sheep, and lady bugs apparently

  Laughing-man

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I thought what I'd do is I'd pretend I was one of those Deaf-mutes.

6/26/13 10:36:29 AM#53
Originally posted by Beastn

I tried this game out...but boy oh boy do you HAVE to be a fan of either the FF series or Asian art to even play this game!!

 

I know that's terrible that I can't play a game simply because I can't keep my avatar from looking like Justin Bieber or in one case a 3 year old little girl....But I can't...I tried, but I just can't..Shoot me but when I think of a mythical warrior, out in the wilds fighting monsters for days maybe even weeks on end, facing life or death on a daily bases....I don't think he would have the time to reapply his mascara in between fights with...well bunnies, sheep, and lady bugs apparently

There are many more 'manly' looking characters if that is what you are looking for, try the high lander or perhaps the Rog's.

I find a lot of people who don't normally like the 'asian' aesthetic enjoy this game, also I have two friends who've never even played a single Final Fantasy who pre ordered after last weekend.

So... I disagree.

  LacedOpium

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6/26/13 10:40:21 AM#54
Originally posted by Beastn

I tried this game out...but boy oh boy do you HAVE to be a fan of either the FF series or Asian art to even play this game!!

 

I know that's terrible that I can't play a game simply because I can't keep my avatar from looking like Justin Bieber or in one case a 3 year old little girl....But I can't...I tried, but I just can't..Shoot me but when I think of a mythical warrior, out in the wilds fighting monsters for days maybe even weeks on end, facing life or death on a daily bases....I don't think he would have the time to reapply his mascara in between fights with...well bunnies, sheep, and lady bugs apparently

 

You seem to be of the opinion that these games are made for males only.  You fail to realize, or otherwise take into consideration, that these games are made for the entire population in mind and that there will be many females, young and old, that will be playing this game as well.  That is who those characters are meant to appeal to, not just your type Mister Manly Macho Man.  In other words, if you do not like those characters, don't play with them.  And while you are at it, create your own little linkshell and invite no one other than big burly macho men like yourself. 

 

Sorry for my rant, but this type of "self-righteous, it is all about me, I am higher than thou" attitude gets under my skin.  Try being a bit more open minded and tolerant of others and learn to appreciate diversity.  The world would be a much happier and better place for it.

 
 

Prettying-up wrong by dressing it up as opinion does not negate the fact that it is still wrong.

  Etherignis

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6/26/13 10:43:46 AM#55
@wowclones ff franchise is establish and tera don't have a lot of clout like ff do.SE dont need investor too step up, SE is the biggest rpg company out there even NCsoft and Nexon don't come close too pulling in the amount of bread SE make. SE have a heart of gold too even revamp ffxiv into 2.0. SE could have gave gamers the middle finger and took all the money they made off of ffxiv 1.0 but they didn't. You won't find a lot of companies who make mmos do wat SE is doing. SE taking a big risk of a repeat like ffxiv 1.0 downfall maybe. I'm confident this game will be big; also ps3 owners will increase sales big time. Yoshi-p said 300k subs will keep this game afloat. And SE making ps4 version thats crazy.
  VikingGamer

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6/26/13 10:44:32 AM#56
Originally posted by Grakulen
@frealms. That should say subscription only. Many games have sub options. And yes there are a few fringe sub only games left but at this point, with all due respect to Mythic, do you consider WAR AAA? And in the West is FFXI really a major game any more? I'd say not really. Also games like EvE have plex so you can get around the sub there too. You may not agree with how I qualify that statement but I've done my homework.

@QSatu If you have 100 people in the same fate effects are going to add up. I'm comparing it to games like Rift where the particles got so out of control everything just looked like a big ball of sparkle ponies.

I have to disagree with you here. You have at least two major sub mmos, wow and eve. It doesn't matter that eve has plex and so it can be played, eventually, for free. It is still a subscription only game. That is, every account that is active is based off having active sub time left regardless who paid for it. Also, there is no realistic way to get into the game without paying a sub for at least a while. I have never heard of a person being able to produce the 500m isk needed for a plex in the first 21 days of trial time you can get without significant help from existing players.

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  Beastn

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6/26/13 10:45:51 AM#57
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by Beastn

I tried this game out...but boy oh boy do you HAVE to be a fan of either the FF series or Asian art to even play this game!!

 

I know that's terrible that I can't play a game simply because I can't keep my avatar from looking like Justin Bieber or in one case a 3 year old little girl....But I can't...I tried, but I just can't..Shoot me but when I think of a mythical warrior, out in the wilds fighting monsters for days maybe even weeks on end, facing life or death on a daily bases....I don't think he would have the time to reapply his mascara in between fights with...well bunnies, sheep, and lady bugs apparently

 

You seem to be of the opinion that these games are made for males only.  You do realize that these games are made for the entire population in mind and that there will be many females, yound and old, that will be playing this game as well.  That is who those characters are meant to appeal to, not just your type Mister Manly Macho Man.  In other words, if you do not like those characters, don't play with them.  And while you are at it, create your own little linkshell and invite no one other than big burly macho men like yourself. 

 

Sorry for my rant, but this type of "self-righteous, it is all about me, I am higher than thou" attitude gets under my skin.  Try being a bit more open minded and tolerant of others and learn to appreciate diversity.  The world would be a much happier and better place for it.

 

Call me what you will....but there are No "manly macho" choices...period...They are all to "pretty" I don't care if there are options that appeal to girls, kids, and the like...but what about the rest of us? So What I like my warrior to be battle tested, hardened, scared, "ugly", mean, gritty....w/e you want to call it...WHERE'S MY OPTION?!?

  Beastn

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6/26/13 10:47:40 AM#58
Originally posted by Laughing-man
Originally posted by Beastn

I tried this game out...but boy oh boy do you HAVE to be a fan of either the FF series or Asian art to even play this game!!

 

I know that's terrible that I can't play a game simply because I can't keep my avatar from looking like Justin Bieber or in one case a 3 year old little girl....But I can't...I tried, but I just can't..Shoot me but when I think of a mythical warrior, out in the wilds fighting monsters for days maybe even weeks on end, facing life or death on a daily bases....I don't think he would have the time to reapply his mascara in between fights with...well bunnies, sheep, and lady bugs apparently

There are many more 'manly' looking characters if that is what you are looking for, try the high lander or perhaps the Rog's.

I find a lot of people who don't normally like the 'asian' aesthetic enjoy this game, also I have two friends who've never even played a single Final Fantasy who pre ordered after last weekend.

So... I disagree.

 

I'm glad your friends liked it. I did not. That is that. It is my opinion, and mine alone. And I tried to "man up" every race choice.....there isn't any

  netosampaio

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6/26/13 10:48:13 AM#59
I will definitely sub when this come out and i hope this never goes F2P, i am tired of those F2P garbage out there
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6/26/13 10:52:08 AM#60
Originally posted by Beastn
Originally posted by LacedOpium
Originally posted by Beastn

I tried this game out...but boy oh boy do you HAVE to be a fan of either the FF series or Asian art to even play this game!!

 

I know that's terrible that I can't play a game simply because I can't keep my avatar from looking like Justin Bieber or in one case a 3 year old little girl....But I can't...I tried, but I just can't..Shoot me but when I think of a mythical warrior, out in the wilds fighting monsters for days maybe even weeks on end, facing life or death on a daily bases....I don't think he would have the time to reapply his mascara in between fights with...well bunnies, sheep, and lady bugs apparently

 

You seem to be of the opinion that these games are made for males only.  You do realize that these games are made for the entire population in mind and that there will be many females, yound and old, that will be playing this game as well.  That is who those characters are meant to appeal to, not just your type Mister Manly Macho Man.  In other words, if you do not like those characters, don't play with them.  And while you are at it, create your own little linkshell and invite no one other than big burly macho men like yourself. 

 

Sorry for my rant, but this type of "self-righteous, it is all about me, I am higher than thou" attitude gets under my skin.  Try being a bit more open minded and tolerant of others and learn to appreciate diversity.  The world would be a much happier and better place for it.

 

Call me what you will....but there are No "manly macho" choices...period...They are all to "pretty" I don't care if there are options that appeal to girls, kids, and the like...but what about the rest of us? So What I like my warrior to be battle tested, hardened, scared, "ugly", mean, gritty....w/e you want to call it...WHERE'S MY OPTION?!?

You were just told in the post before.  When you are creating a Hume, pick the subrace "Highlander" or go Roegdaryn (not sure on spelling).  

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