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  danwest58

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6/26/13 8:53:01 AM#21
Originally posted by wowclones
Originally posted by Etherignis
I hope this game stay p2p and keep the f2p garbage away from this game.
 

Not always possible, do you think Rift and Tera went F2P because they wanted too? They had no choice, either that or shutdown the game. I'd rather see a game go f2p than shutdown.

No a game should shut down rather than go F2P.  F2P gams have no quality to them just nickle and dime you for in game stuff that should be free with a subscription period.  We have too many MMOs as it is and games need to start shutting down.  

  Grintch

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6/26/13 8:53:03 AM#22
After being extremely disappointed in the first iteration of the game, I wasn't expecting much for this one. Now, after playing the last 2 beta weekends, I can say I was surprised at how good this game is. I will definitely subscribe when it releases.
  Mithrundir

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6/26/13 8:53:32 AM#23
Never played a Final Fantasy game till this ones last few beta weekends, still up in the air if I'm going to get this or not. Unless theres an announcement of some type of pvp that's not the normal bg's and arena's I'll probably be giving this a pass.

Dozens of MMO's, RTS's, FPS's, etc.

  Illunari

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6/26/13 8:54:04 AM#24
Originally posted by Etherignis
I hope this game stay p2p and keep the f2p garbage away from this game.

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  Raxeon

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6/26/13 8:55:04 AM#25
Originally posted by mcrippins
really want to play this game - cant even pay to get in beta it seems =[

theres been a few post about key giveaways But hole on give this a try ill pm you my extra code and ps3 code But you have to use an EU account

  Grakulen

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6/26/13 8:56:51 AM#26
@wicoa and @Gauthimus Thanks for the compliment.
  Sovrath

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6/26/13 9:01:53 AM#27

Spell effects and animations are present but are not over the top. You can still see what is going on in a battle.

 

Really? Because I was in a Fate where I had absolutely no idea what I was attacking. I kept trying to move the camera in and out in order to get a different perspective. One minute I see the fate activate, I see players swarm on "something" I join and spam my attacks on "something obscured by a light show". Only after the fate was over did I realize it was some "character boss".

As far as the p2p, Final Fantasy Fans who are attracted to this game aren't going to have a problem with it. As long as Square Enix is fine with a smaller showing for Western Players the game should be fine.

I'm pretty sick of constantly being advertised stuff to buy in f2p games. It feels tacky.

"Buy this and get a free that", "This week only special on buffs", "buy game points and get an additional 25% more game points".

"you've earned a measly 5 points would you like to go to the in game store!?!?!"

 

 

  Telondariel

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6/26/13 9:05:52 AM#28
Originally posted by Wicoa
Originally posted by gauthimus
Originally posted by Wicoa

I welcome p2p.  I usually drop f2p games within 2 weeks due to their shallow nature.  There is an obvious disconnect in quality that P2P games are able to deliver.  I love the quote "all customers should be equal" and in P2P games this is true. In F2P games you have your free riders moaning about what they can and cant do, you have the special snowflakes who spend their wage packet on everything they can get their hands on and you have the half flakes who think they get a good game for their subscription or regular payments.

 

In truth nobody wins in the F2P scenario as content is usually lacking or is kerching gated.  B2P can work, done right but I am already seeing a steady stream of friends leave GW2 due to a lack of serious updates.  They seem to have gone for dragon punch bags and silly fluff.

 

This game comes from Japan, while I am sure it will be successful here, their home market will be what provides them with their bulk income.  Moaning here about P2P and F2P is irrelevant. Especially since those who are their fans and dearly like FFX, they are happy to pay the price asked. I know I am.

 

Robert, nicely written article, you obviously enjoy playing the game but are able to look at it critically.

 

 
 
 
 
 

booo you beat me too it

 

Yes but yours had more gritty anger! Im like the tank your like the melee dps now all we need is a magic (rdps) and a cleric (healing spec)!

RDPS INC!

 

I am so very thankful that the FTP/BTP trend is waning.  As quoted here:

 

"Personally I find it refreshing to play a MMO again that requires a subscription and I am not always left feeling like the developer is trying to see how far they can dig into my pockets under the guise of a free game. I do not know if I’m in the majority with that sentiment though"

 

..I am very much part of that population that is tired of the whole thing.  Sort of like what GW2 has become:  a candy coated shell of Living Story Events to push their new core of casino-style RNG gated crap.  No thanks.   Let me pay a sub, and if the game has depth and quality and engages me, I will happily play it for years. 

 

Another thing interests me as well: the current Western market.  They jumped on the FTP bandwagon after seeing how the Asian market was raking in the millions by creating shallow, shiny (but garbage) games. Tacking on a Cash Shop with pretty, fluffy nonsense combined with hamstringing the playerbase at endgame if they didn't shell out hundreds of dollars for character gear and whatnot became quite lucrative, and the Westerners wanted a piece of that pie.

 

"The reality of the business side of MMOs is that the market has changed and I am unsure that Square Enix is really in tune with the western microtransaction surge. There is only one subscription AAA MMO left. With every other game having converted to a microtransaction, buy to play, or a hybrid subscription and microtransaction model... is charging a box fee and having a tiered subscription fee really the right way to go?"

 

I think if  people support the business model that they like the most, it sends a message.  I, for one, am tired of Cash Shop-based games becoming the norm and I want to support a quality AAA MMO that gives me an all inclusive package with my monthly sub.  Bring it on.

 

 

 

 

  Raxeon

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6/26/13 9:05:57 AM#29
volken they dont get any xp or hardly any
  Spaceweed10

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Where do we go from here?

6/26/13 9:10:11 AM#30
I like the P2P model - it allows me to enjoy the game, then quit when the undesirables show up ;)
  Waldoe

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6/26/13 9:10:27 AM#31
Originally posted by wowclones
Originally posted by DMKano

I think that 2-3 months post launch it will be painfully obvious to Square Enix how P2P is not a good model in the western markets anymore. That is where you see significant sub dropoff at the end of there 2nd month, and then due to low influx of new players you are left in a tough position.

Decent game, but not strong enough to thrive as a P2P title in F2P market.

Just my opinion, it will be interesting to see how this goes.

 

Couldn't have said it better. If people are able to max level before the 30 days of free play, this game is doomed. Going to be interesting to see a AAA title try subscription again. I am sure they already have the future plan laid out to go F2P when subs get low and box sales dry up.

 

It won't happen in 30 days. Just because you get your main job to level 50 does not mean you are done. For me as a paladin for example, I need to get marauder and conjurer to about 34-35 each so I can have my full range of usable abilities at 50. This does not even consider crafting at this point which are main classes in the game and require just as much time and effort as any other combat class to get to 50.

  QSatu

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6/26/13 9:12:07 AM#32

"Spell effects and animations are present but are not over the top. You can still see what is going on in a battle." What? have the person who wrote this even played the game or simply made a character spend 5 min in the game. Particle effects are VERY over the top and I like it but  luckily there are options to show less or even hide effects of other players. Sadly it is not working yet.

About the whole p2p. I think it will do fine. As long as they don't expect 600-700k subs. I really doubt the game will achieve the same sub numbers as FF XI so i can only hope they took that into consideration.

  Wicoa

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6/26/13 9:12:15 AM#33
Originally posted by gauthimus

i wonder how that would even develop in an argument .......

 

would the RDPS through more wit and forcite?

 

while the clreic  trys to heals the heart of the scorned Subscription playwer who said he is tired of P2p that does not deliver

 

I was thinking more along the lines of that our mission together is to venture deep into a black cave till we get to the bottom and face....... angry german kid from youtube! He is the one behind F2P advocacy. 

  Wicoa

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6/26/13 9:14:56 AM#34
Originally posted by Grakulen
@wicoa and @Gauthimus Thanks for the compliment.
 

Your welcome!

 

I'd better be careful though cause I don't want the public necessarily to find out  that mmorpg.com posters can be you know... nice here ;).

 
  Grakulen

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6/26/13 9:21:30 AM#35
I already asked the editor to check on the status of hell's temperature.
  orbitxo

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6/26/13 9:24:40 AM#36
Originally posted by wowclones
Originally posted by Etherignis
I hope this game stay p2p and keep the f2p garbage away from this game.
 

Not always possible, do you think Rift and Tera went F2P because they wanted too? They had no choice, either that or shutdown the game. I'd rather see a game go f2p than shutdown.

as much as id like to agree with you here- warhammer age of rekoning is p2p and keeps the trols out.

but, i already p2p with eveonline =that a quality game, i dont think FF14 is bringing anything special into the mmo frey-so why am i gonna pay for it-when there are so many out there to choose from.

 

i say this becouse i played the first ff14 and althoguh it was beutiful at the time, now other mmos have cought up and dosent seem so special on;y to hardcore final fantasy players.

 

 

  Shadanwolf

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6/26/13 9:25:30 AM#37
OP..thanks for a great article.I learned a lot from it.(hopefully I'll get a key  and be able to try it myself one of these days).
  Wicoa

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6/26/13 9:30:20 AM#38
Originally posted by Grakulen
I already asked the editor to check on the status of hell's temperature.

Hah!

  frealms

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6/26/13 9:31:59 AM#39

" There is only one subscription AAA MMO left."

 

Someone ain't doing their homework...

  Khebeln

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6/26/13 9:33:57 AM#40
Originally posted by Illunari
Originally posted by Etherignis
I hope this game stay p2p and keep the f2p garbage away from this game.

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I second that, and the fact that f2p games are build around making money of the game instead of making a good game. Gw2 is best example.


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