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  sancher36

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6/21/13 12:23:15 AM#21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

This is a lesson from sony to microsoft, enjoy :)

  ageat

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6/21/13 2:49:24 AM#22

I vote for Longterm.

 

Sony have been successful ever since in PS1 so I know that they will make it in long term.

  Yodi2007

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6/21/13 12:44:28 PM#23
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689

  Kaijin2k3

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6/21/13 1:53:55 PM#24
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

They mean, "their games didn't interest me."

  jtcgs

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6/21/13 1:58:00 PM#25
Originally posted by ozmono
I don't think Mircrosofts turn around on the drm is a win for Sony. It's a win for gamers but I recogn Sony would have been happy if Microsoft pushed ahead with an unpopular strategy.

 Their turnaround on DRM is smoke and mirrors just like the change to the 24 authentication requirement.

It means nothing because each game company will still control the LEASE, still have to work with used game stores and give permission for you to sell...and the games are still mostly CLOUD GAMES THUS REQUIRING YOU TO BE CONNECTED!

“I hope we shall crush...in its birth the aristocracy of our moneyed corporations, which dare already to challenge our government to a trial of strength and bid defiance to the laws of our country." ~Thomes Jefferson

  Jockan

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6/22/13 11:48:00 AM#26

 PS4 did go strong for about a week afther E3 because of all the DRM and Used game backlash but it was just short term.

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/31221/all-of-the-negative-xbox-one-news-did-nothing-to-stifle-sales-at-amazon/index.html/index.html?utm_source=ttnewsletter&utm_medium=ttemail&utm_campaign=ttcs

 

  DMKano

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6/22/13 11:50:49 AM#27

MUFFINS!

 

<- And this is my 1337 post - muahahahaha!

  dave6660

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6/22/13 11:52:05 AM#28
Microsoft's about face may not even be permanent.  They still admit to thinking it's a good idea.  Who's to say they won't change their mind again a year after their sales number spike.

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  superniceguy

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6/22/13 1:46:57 PM#29
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Xbox ONE games I liked are Ryse, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, D4 and then the old Xbox favs - Halo and Forza

That is 10 MS exclusives that interest me.

Then there are others: Below, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Kinect Sports Rivals, LocoCycle, Minecraft Xbox ONE edition, Zoo Tycoon

That is 16 in total

The only PS4 exclusives I see are: Basement Crawl, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, The Order: 1886, Secret Ponchos

That is 7 in total

 

 

  Jockan

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6/22/13 2:05:40 PM#30
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Xbox ONE games I liked are Ryse, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, D4 and then the old Xbox favs - Halo and Forza

That is 10 MS exclusives that interest me.

Then there are others: Below, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Kinect Sports Rivals, LocoCycle, Minecraft Xbox ONE edition, Zoo Tycoon

That is 16 in total

The only PS4 exclusives I see are: Basement Crawl, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, The Order: 1886, Secret Ponchos

That is 7 in total

 

 

 

Games are the only thing that matter to people. Driveclub was the only PS4 game that I can say looked good.

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

6/22/13 2:12:06 PM#31
Originally posted by dave6660
Microsoft's about face may not even be permanent.  They still admit to thinking it's a good idea.  Who's to say they won't change their mind again a year after their sales number spike.

You do realise that Sony took out a patent to block used games don't you?

What makes Microsoft likely to reverse their decision, and Sony not, when Sony have a history of such stunts? Sony updated the PSP, so you could no longer use it for homebrew, and they updated the PS3 so you could no longer use Linux. Two situations where Sony gave something good and then took it away.

Microsoft do not have a history of such things

After all the hassle of taking it away, they will not redo it again. Also it is still kind of there within the digital downloads, they will probably make it attractive to download games than buy physical disc, but will be optional.

However Sony might redo, and they have not really said anything crystal clear, they have only made vague remarks about supporting used games, but so did MS policy on DRM - You could trade in games at participating retailers, which is more than what you can do with PC games.

Is there any comment from Sony that clearly states that ALL games (published by Sony AND all other publishers) will not have any kind of DRM at all?

I have not seen any official comment from Sony about it, just conflicting statements and articles, but nothing crystal clear from Sony themselves like what Microsoft has said.

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/gaming/news/a489220/ps4-online-restrictions-up-to-third-party-publishers-says-sony-e3.html

Speaking on GTTV at E3, Sony's Jack Tretton said: "The DRM decision for third-party games will be up to publishers."

However, Sony's senior director of corporate communications Dan Race later told Gamefront that Tretton was referring to playing used games online.

  AIMonster

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6/22/13 2:18:36 PM#32
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Xbox ONE games I liked are Ryse, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, D4 and then the old Xbox favs - Halo and Forza

That is 10 MS exclusives that interest me.

Then there are others: Below, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Kinect Sports Rivals, LocoCycle, Minecraft Xbox ONE edition, Zoo Tycoon

That is 16 in total

The only PS4 exclusives I see are: Basement Crawl, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, The Order: 1886, Secret Ponchos

That is 7 in total

 

 

Some you listed aren't exclusive to Xbox One.  Can we really call Minecraft an Xbox exclusive too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games - 52 announced games, 13 exclusives + 7 console exclusives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games - 72 announced games, 9 exclusives + 23 console exclusives

As you can see the Playstation 4 has more announced games in production than the Xbox One, though less complete exclusives than the Xbox One while more "console" exclusives than the Xbox One; however this is primarily due to the much better indie support of the Playstation 4 and the reason the list is much more inflated than Xbox One is because there are TONS of indie titles coming to the PS4.

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  Jockan

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6/22/13 2:43:59 PM#33

$10 Indie exclusives I don't care about. We talking about AAA exclusive games like Quantum Break, Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive. Lets not also forget about Power Star Golf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5rBrv32uU

  superniceguy

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6/22/13 2:49:12 PM#34
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Xbox ONE games I liked are Ryse, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, D4 and then the old Xbox favs - Halo and Forza

That is 10 MS exclusives that interest me.

Then there are others: Below, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Kinect Sports Rivals, LocoCycle, Minecraft Xbox ONE edition, Zoo Tycoon

That is 16 in total

The only PS4 exclusives I see are: Basement Crawl, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, The Order: 1886, Secret Ponchos

That is 7 in total

 

 

Some you listed aren't exclusive to Xbox One.  Can we really call Minecraft an Xbox exclusive too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games - 52 announced games, 13 exclusives + 7 console exclusives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games - 72 announced games, 9 exclusives + 23 console exclusives

As you can see the Playstation 4 has more announced games in production than the Xbox One, though less complete exclusives than the Xbox One while more "console" exclusives than the Xbox One; however this is primarily due to the much better indie support of the Playstation 4 and the reason the list is much more inflated than Xbox One is because there are TONS of indie titles coming to the PS4.

That is more of an extensive list, and Minecraft is a console exclusive not on PS4 which you counted too, but separately

Indie titles are more icing on cake, I would not choose a console with more indie titles, and games like DCUO, FF XI ARR, Planetside 2, Diablo 3 are also on PC. If I did not have a PC then those games could make the PS4 more attractive.

If Shenmue 3 got released as a PS4 exclusive, I would make PS4 my main choice then, as that 1 game would be more worth than all exclusives put together!

 

  Jockan

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6/22/13 2:52:36 PM#35

  AIMonster

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6/22/13 6:37:11 PM#36
Originally posted by Mannish

$10 Indie exclusives I don't care about. We talking about AAA exclusive games like Quantum Break, Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive. Lets not also forget about Power Star Golf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5rBrv32uU

How do we know Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive will be decent?  Quantum Break we know so little about and all we got was a live action trailer, a short cinematic, and pre-rendered cutscenes.  Sunset Overdrive was just a trailer that showed no gameplay.  To me the only games I'd want on the Xbox One that aren't available on the PS4 is Titanfall and Spark both of which will be available on the PC as well as Killer Instinct and maybe Crimson Dragon though certainly those two aren't enough to sell me on a console.  Indie exclusives are kind of a big deal since being able to self publish means there are going to be a lot more titles than the more restrictive Xbox One (unless they 180 on that too).

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  Jockan

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6/22/13 8:19:44 PM#37
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by Mannish

$10 Indie exclusives I don't care about. We talking about AAA exclusive games like Quantum Break, Titanfall and Sunset Overdrive. Lets not also forget about Power Star Golf.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zU5rBrv32uU

How do we know Quantum Break and Sunset Overdrive will be decent?  Quantum Break we know so little about and all we got was a live action trailer, a short cinematic, and pre-rendered cutscenes.  Sunset Overdrive was just a trailer that showed no gameplay.  To me the only games I'd want on the Xbox One that aren't available on the PS4 is Titanfall and Spark both of which will be available on the PC as well as Killer Instinct and maybe Crimson Dragon though certainly those two aren't enough to sell me on a console.  Indie exclusives are kind of a big deal since being able to self publish means there are going to be a lot more titles than the more restrictive Xbox One (unless they 180 on that too).

 

 

I never said the games would be good. Nobody even knows if the systems will be good because we have not played them yet. We are going by what we have seen and by what we have seen Microsoft has showed better games. Ryse, Titanfall, Spark, Forza 5, Killer Instinct and Dead Rising where shown in gameplay form. Other games like Quantum Break looked very good from a combination of the tech and the whole time is breaking down story with your own personal movie. Sunset Overdrive being an open world shooter that's going to change everyday depending on how the players play it. We are seeing games that look really good and hearing from the developers about games that are going to try to do things a bit different. What more can we ask for?

 

http://www.twitch.tv/insomniacgames/b/419633565

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rly8s1ZkkL4&list=FLksoyDFtH--Rg7IaTzzU_gw&index=6

 

  Yodi2007

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Joined: 6/30/12
Posts: 167

6/23/13 2:19:16 AM#38
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Xbox ONE games I liked are Ryse, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, D4 and then the old Xbox favs - Halo and Forza

That is 10 MS exclusives that interest me.

Then there are others: Below, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Kinect Sports Rivals, LocoCycle, Minecraft Xbox ONE edition, Zoo Tycoon

That is 16 in total

The only PS4 exclusives I see are: Basement Crawl, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, The Order: 1886, Secret Ponchos

That is 7 in total

 

 

Some you listed aren't exclusive to Xbox One.  Can we really call Minecraft an Xbox exclusive too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games - 52 announced games, 13 exclusives + 7 console exclusives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games - 72 announced games, 9 exclusives + 23 console exclusives

As you can see the Playstation 4 has more announced games in production than the Xbox One, though less complete exclusives than the Xbox One while more "console" exclusives than the Xbox One; however this is primarily due to the much better indie support of the Playstation 4 and the reason the list is much more inflated than Xbox One is because there are TONS of indie titles coming to the PS4.

Besides gears and Halo I wouldn't hold my breath on their IPs. if shooters are your thing then go for it! I like all types of games except those Rock band & Dance games. i think the PS4 holds more game types for me (God of War, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, and Ect). The only reason I even had a 360 was due to me thinking KoTor 3 was going to be a exclusive for M$. After EA announced that horrible MMO It was played only for Gears till the RROD.

If Titanfall is any good then I will get it for my Custom Rig :D!

P.S. Went to Gamestop today and they were sold out of all the PS4's, but yet they still had XB180's at both stores the GM told me. 

Below is where we can disscuss and come up with new ideas for Sandparks!

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/5164689#5164689

  Draemos

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6/23/13 2:26:02 AM#39
Originally posted by oGMo

Remember, with the 360 vs PS3, a mere price difference of $100 meant Sony was playing catchup almost the entire generation. We've still got a $100 for inferior hardware, fewer games, an always-on kiNSAect, and a lot of lost goodwill.

You're looking at it from the perspective of someone who doesn't want Kinetic(most likely a hardcore gamer).  Kinetic is actually a really nice piece of hardware and something a ton of people will want, especially on a full fledge media center like the Xbox One.  The PS4 alternative is just as expensive and significantly less impressive.

I do think the PS4 will probably do quite well amongst the hardcore gamer crowd, I'll be buying one myself just because Sony does a way better job with exclusives and RPGs.  But I don't see it outpacing the Xbox One in total sells when you consider the target audience Microsoft is going for; which quite frankly is vas compared to people who are upset about the Kinect and an relatively small hardware difference.

 

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

6/23/13 5:27:51 AM#40
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by AIMonster
Originally posted by superniceguy
Originally posted by Yodi2007
Originally posted by ThomasN7
Short term success. They may have won E3 but they will not win he war so to speak. Once Sony starts having their own issues lets see how people react. Not to mention their game line up at E3 was tremendously weaksauce compared to Microsoft games.

Don't get why people say weaksauce if my memory serves me right didn't they mostly have the same games...? Only games that wont be on the PS4 is Ryse (we have God of War), titanfall (developer said it might some to ps4) and the M$ ips.

Xbox ONE games I liked are Ryse, Killer Instinct, Quantum Break, Project Spark, Dead Rising 3, Crimson Dragon, Sunset Overdrive, D4 and then the old Xbox favs - Halo and Forza

That is 10 MS exclusives that interest me.

Then there are others: Below, Fantasia: Music Evolved, Kinect Sports Rivals, LocoCycle, Minecraft Xbox ONE edition, Zoo Tycoon

That is 16 in total

The only PS4 exclusives I see are: Basement Crawl, Driveclub, Infamous: Second Son, Killzone: Shadow Fall, Knack, The Order: 1886, Secret Ponchos

That is 7 in total

 

 

Some you listed aren't exclusive to Xbox One.  Can we really call Minecraft an Xbox exclusive too?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_One_games - 52 announced games, 13 exclusives + 7 console exclusives

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_PlayStation_4_games - 72 announced games, 9 exclusives + 23 console exclusives

As you can see the Playstation 4 has more announced games in production than the Xbox One, though less complete exclusives than the Xbox One while more "console" exclusives than the Xbox One; however this is primarily due to the much better indie support of the Playstation 4 and the reason the list is much more inflated than Xbox One is because there are TONS of indie titles coming to the PS4.

Besides gears and Halo I wouldn't hold my breath on their IPs. if shooters are your thing then go for it! I like all types of games except those Rock band & Dance games. i think the PS4 holds more game types for me (God of War, Uncharted, Heavy Rain, and Ect). The only reason I even had a 360 was due to me thinking KoTor 3 was going to be a exclusive for M$. After EA announced that horrible MMO It was played only for Gears till the RROD.

If Titanfall is any good then I will get it for my Custom Rig :D!

P.S. Went to Gamestop today and they were sold out of all the PS4's, but yet they still had XB180's at both stores the GM told me. 

Another negative for MS was that they were only putting the console in select countries at launch, whereas it is assumed Sony are launching everywhere. I doubt that will be the case come the day, as it seems they will not have enough machines to launch everywhere, and EU release will be put back to March 2014 AGAIN

Probably in the end, the Xbox ONE will be launched everywhere before Sony get enough stock to launch PS4 everywhere.

Everything to do with PS4 is just assumed from lack of info, whereas MS have just been candid and open, and more organised

I guess it is just a matter of taste, as I see that the PS4 has to offer, and I looked long and hard because I wanted to avoid the DRM of the Xbox ONE, but saw nothing, and was quite content to just stick with the Xbox 360 for now, which is my main console, with the PS3 mainly acting as a Blu Ray player. With MS first presentation before E3, I thought LAME, but then after seeing E3, and the games, I was blown away.

The only games that PS4 had were InFamous, Killzone and Drive Club as main contenders, with the first two being sequels

Xbox ONE had 10 awesome exclusives that interested me, as listed in a previous post

So getting the Xbox ONE is a no brainer, and will probably get PS4 when more games get released, but there are no God of War, Heavy Rain or Uncharted yet. When there are then I may get it. I did not buy a Xbox 360 for KOTOR 3, I got it for PSU and to play with friends, and I buy consoles for games that actually exist

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