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  Alders

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6/20/13 6:21:38 AM#41
Originally posted by tordurbar

Against my expectations every day I am logging in to do dailies

You want to know where the pop is - do the dailies.

 

Dailies are by far the worst aspect ever in regards to whether or not to play an MMO.

Someone please take the Death Star and get rid of dailies once and for all.

And don't give me the "dailies are optional" rhetoric.  We all know that's never true.

  tordurbar

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6/20/13 6:34:27 AM#42
Originally posted by Alders
Originally posted by tordurbar

Against my expectations every day I am logging in to do dailies

You want to know where the pop is - do the dailies.

 

Dailies are by far the worst aspect ever in regards to whether or not to play an MMO.

Someone please take the Death Star and get rid of dailies once and for all.

And don't give me the "dailies are optional" rhetoric.  We all know that's never true.

Dailies allow players to get better gear at max level. This especially helps the solo player - like me. Plus, you add to your Legacy levels as well which helps all your alts. 

I like dailies. I would not (and have not) considered that the primary factor in playing an MMO but it was a factor that made me quit GW2. No way to get better - no reason for me to stay.

And yes - I am an ex-WOW player. I loved the WOTLK dailies the best.

  iFruit

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6/20/13 6:43:13 AM#43
SWTOR is yesterday. Not much resembles Star Wars, apart from some lihgtsabers, a bunch of hutts, some opening class cinematics, and.. Wait, what else is there? No Lucas Arts anymore, no real BioWare, just Disney and EA thinking of ways to screw you out of your cash. If you're of the older generation and miss what George Lucas originally branded as Star Wars, keep away from SWTOR. TL;DR: good game to play for a few days if you have a sudden urge to spend a couple of hundred bucks in a cash shop.

  daltanious

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6/20/13 6:59:35 AM#44
Originally posted by Fruxy

This game just seems to fall and fall and fall with no end in sight.

 

There is no end to trolls.

 

  Wicoa

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6/20/13 7:03:55 AM#45

No it won't.

Simple reason being they have let too many staff go and they will never get to grips with that terrible engine they adapted.

 

 

  superniceguy

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NGE, LOTRO, STO, KOTOR, Lego Star Wars > NGE 2 (SWTOR). SWG>ALL. Above hopefully subject to change.

6/20/13 10:07:23 AM#46

It may pick up over the next few weeks for double xp weekends, as that makes the game more fun not having to repeat the many side quests and focus on the main class stories not yet done, but then afterwards it will go back down

Once SW Battlefront gets released, people will ditch this and go play that. Then EA will see the major profits from it compared to SWTOR, and do more SW games and get rid of SWTOR as the game can not be enhanced enough to attract players in like new SW games will be able to.

  gervaise1

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6/20/13 11:18:38 AM#47
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by gervaise1

 

However there is now Starwars Battlefront.

Presumably this is is going to be a Star Wars skinned Battlefield 3. Good engine and maybe they can reuse SWTOR material:artwork,   

What the hell? If you care about SWBF3 you should re-think that Idea. SWTOR looked like a stupid cartoon.

Not saying that is what I would want but if you were EA looking to make Star Wars Battlefront as cheaply as possible wouldn't you look to see what you could use?

Anyway as I (also) said it could just as easily be making use of staff who worked on SWTOR.

 

Regarding cash shop revenue as many posters have pointed out people who play eventually get to a point were they have no need to spend any money. Or they get a sub once every few months etc. This Is not something unique to SWTOR it happens to F2P games in general (hence Zynga laying off another 500 staff last month). And in 2traditional" sub based games subs peak and then decline. EA only have so much money and they have said what their future portfolio is going forward - and  SWTOR is no longer part of the plan.

Conclusion: enjoy SWTOR as it is but don't expect it to change much if at all or to last forever.

  exwin

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6/20/13 11:27:25 AM#48

I think its kind of a lost cause. Numbers wise, it's still hanging on, but it just doesn't have any lasting appeal.

I've maxed out every char. class that I care to play, which is almost all of them, from both paths. Ran one or 2 through all the new expansion content. I just don't care  enough to log in.... 1st couple of play throughs, it was a good game, then each new toon, you are less and less excited about revisiting certain planets, then even planets that you previously really liked, you want to skip those too until finally you just stop paying for it.

It would take a MAJOR major expansion to move this game forward, and I don't think it has the umph to do it. It will be strung along, populations will drop, servers will merge again until they finally pull the plug.

I don't hate SWTOR, I had some really good times playing it, it's just going to face the same problems as any themepark game, eventually everyone gets tired of the same old rides.

  Thorkune

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Dyslexics of the world...UNTIE!

6/20/13 11:32:09 AM#49
It can't recover as far as I am concerned. Unless...they figure out a way to open the worlds up for exploration, revamp the weak crafting system, and lift armor/weapon restrictions.
  Kazara

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"Denial does not change reality."

6/20/13 12:35:07 PM#50
Originally posted by exwin

I think its kind of a lost cause. Numbers wise, it's still hanging on, but it just doesn't have any lasting appeal.

I've maxed out every char. class that I care to play, which is almost all of them, from both paths. Ran one or 2 through all the new expansion content. I just don't care  enough to log in.... 1st couple of play throughs, it was a good game, then each new toon, you are less and less excited about revisiting certain planets, then even planets that you previously really liked, you want to skip those too until finally you just stop paying for it.

It would take a MAJOR major expansion to move this game forward, and I don't think it has the umph to do it. It will be strung along, populations will drop, servers will merge again until they finally pull the plug.

I don't hate SWTOR, I had some really good times playing it, it's just going to face the same problems as any themepark game, eventually everyone gets tired of the same old rides.

I agree. I got through the game once, and I tried leveling alts (some even into the 40's), but I just couldn't bring myself to log in anymore so I cancelled. It is a shallow, theme park  MMO and it should've been so much more. SWTOR's best days are well behind it, but I am sure it keep running until EA/Bioware feels it is not financially advantageous to continue.

I don't see how any kind of expansion will reverse the course SWTOR is on. I enjoyed the time I played, but even the new content that was recently released couldn't bring me back.

  Demmi77

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6/20/13 12:38:55 PM#51

i think most agree , it's a great game. The problem is that it just completely ends once you get through the story. It's not much more complicated than that. THis is why the cartel is so successful, it really gets people at the early levels.

I sincerely wish this game would offer more. I find myself moving away from the typical mmo's and am playing more games like chronoblade, defiance, d3 etc.. Started dust 514 a bit too.

 

  Lesrach

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6/20/13 12:41:12 PM#52
It has already. Get in servers and see yourself.
  akkedis86

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6/20/13 1:20:26 PM#53
So looking at the small drop, do you think this is because of Rift going free to play perhaps?
  Ppiper

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6/20/13 1:24:22 PM#54
Originally posted by Demmi77

i think most agree , it's a great game. The problem is that it just completely ends once you get through the story. It's not much more complicated than that. THis is why the cartel is so successful, it really gets people at the early levels.

I sincerely wish this game would offer more. I find myself moving away from the typical mmo's and am playing more games like chronoblade, defiance, d3 etc.. Started dust 514 a bit too.

 

I agree with is. I can't keep running the same FP's over and over and just don' t have the time for the OP's missions. I can't see myself recycling the same levels all over again with another toon. Luckily I'm in the FFXIV  beta this weekend/ 

  observer

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6/20/13 7:15:57 PM#55
It would take a total re-design from scratch, just like FFXIV:ARR did it.  EA would never do that, and they are better off just getting a new team to develop a new Star Wars MMO.
  jtcgs

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6/20/13 7:23:11 PM#56

Nothing has changed, nothing will change.

Since early beta fanboys have remained blind and in denial...all through release with nothing big being added that wasn't in beta like they said would be, not after the massive drop off in players(wasn't happening) not after the first round of firing (its normal) not after even more players leaving (still wasn't happening) not after the second round of firing...not after the F2P announcement, not even after the CEO of EA being forced to step down for lying about the success of F2P and even then admitting publicly while walking away that they weren't honest...

I imagine that on the day the servers are shut down there will still be someone, somewhere saying that everything is fine and its only being closed due to corporate greed...like with CoH.

Anyway, as long as there are enough extremely vocal blind defenders of the game flooding SWTORs forums like there always is, the company stands no chance to ever really find out what the players that are leaving/have left, actually have to say about whats wrong with the game.

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  mrrshann618

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6/20/13 8:05:58 PM#57
Originally posted by Betaguy

It can't recover...you only get one shot at launch... 

It will go up and down like a yo-yo for a bit but eventually runs out of string to climb

 

You mean like: STO, AoC, LOTRO, EVE (Yes Eve had a "horrible launch" in MMO terms). All these games had horrible launches several years ago, but they are all going strong.

 

F2P System is far more flexible than people give it credit for. We "fans", you know the people who do not log on to MMORPG and spout vitriol about any SW game except SWG, have found ways around these minor limitations, and have enjoyed  the game quite nicely without the expenditure of cash.

 

Originally posted by simplius

4. the fans,,we all want the game to suit OUR needs,,and everybody else can F... off

even if swtor was the only mmo on the market, they would still be struggling

remember the prelaunch dreams?  100s of planets?  over 10 mio players?

they suits must have been high that day

 

Kind of funny, this seems to plauge the haters more than the "fans". We "fans" are tolerant of all people who wish to enjoy the game as they wish to enjoy the game. Now funny thing is many of the "haters" are SWG "Fans" so technically we are all "fans" of SW, but since SWG Fans are not tolerant of SWTOR Fans, we SWTOR fans can F... 0ff?

 

Originally posted by jtcgs

Nothing has changed, nothing will change.


Anyway, as long as there are enough extremely vocal blind defenders of the game flooding SWTORs forums like there always is, the company stands no chance to ever really find out what the players that are leaving/have left, actually have to say about whats wrong with the game.

Can be said of most modern MMO's - They will all continue on the track of "soloMMO" play because that is what brings in money, the god of all choices.

Anyway, as long as there are enough extremely vocal haters of the game flooding SWTOR's forums like there always is, people will stand up for their choice the play what they want to play. Companies rarely look at obscure forums of haters to see the bottom line. They look to their own ledgers to see how much money the game is making to determine if it is a good game or not. Haters/defenders on some "obscure" forum does not change that.

 

 

  keithian

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6/20/13 10:45:25 PM#58
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by gervaise1

 

However there is now Starwars Battlefront.

Presumably this is is going to be a Star Wars skinned Battlefield 3. Good engine and maybe they can reuse SWTOR material:artwork,

 

 

 

What the hell? If you care about SWBF3 you should re-think that Idea. SWTOR looked like a stupid cartoon.

Yea and SWG which you love looked just SOOOOOO realistic LOL. /sarcasm off.

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  simplius

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6/21/13 4:31:53 AM#59
Originally posted by mrrshann618
Originally posted by Betaguy

It can't recover...you only get one shot at launch... 

It will go up and down like a yo-yo for a bit but eventually runs out of string to climb

 

You mean like: STO, AoC, LOTRO, EVE (Yes Eve had a "horrible launch" in MMO terms). All these games had horrible launches several years ago, but they are all going strong.

 

F2P System is far more flexible than people give it credit for. We "fans", you know the people who do not log on to MMORPG and spout vitriol about any SW game except SWG, have found ways around these minor limitations, and have enjoyed  the game quite nicely without the expenditure of cash.

 

Originally posted by simplius

4. the fans,,we all want the game to suit OUR needs,,and everybody else can F... off

even if swtor was the only mmo on the market, they would still be struggling

remember the prelaunch dreams?  100s of planets?  over 10 mio players?

they suits must have been high that day

 

Kind of funny, this seems to plauge the haters more than the "fans". We "fans" are tolerant of all people who wish to enjoy the game as they wish to enjoy the game. Now funny thing is many of the "haters" are SWG "Fans" so technically we are all "fans" of SW, but since SWG Fans are not tolerant of SWTOR Fans, we SWTOR fans can F... 0ff?

 

Originally posted by jtcgs

Nothing has changed, nothing will change.


Anyway, as long as there are enough extremely vocal blind defenders of the game flooding SWTORs forums like there always is, the company stands no chance to ever really find out what the players that are leaving/have left, actually have to say about whats wrong with the game.

Can be said of most modern MMO's - They will all continue on the track of "soloMMO" play because that is what brings in money, the god of all choices.

Anyway, as long as there are enough extremely vocal haters of the game flooding SWTOR's forums like there always is, people will stand up for their choice the play what they want to play. Companies rarely look at obscure forums of haters to see the bottom line. They look to their own ledgers to see how much money the game is making to determine if it is a good game or not. Haters/defenders on some "obscure" forum does not change that.

 

 

im not a swg fan,,i never played it

and if you chose a Group to fund a big mmo, like this, wouldnt it be wise, to chose the BIGGEST Group?

going niche is okay too,,but expect severe cutbacks, and thats , what they did

lets see, when the next expansion is out,,considering, that makeb was in the Works, before launch

  LoverNoFighter

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SWG pre cu > all

6/21/13 4:44:08 AM#60
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by ignore_me
Originally posted by gervaise1

 

However there is now Starwars Battlefront.

Presumably this is is going to be a Star Wars skinned Battlefield 3. Good engine and maybe they can reuse SWTOR material:artwork,

 

 

 

What the hell? If you care about SWBF3 you should re-think that Idea. SWTOR looked like a stupid cartoon.

Yea and SWG which you love looked just SOOOOOO realistic LOL. /sarcasm off.

 Compared to SWTOR, SWG looked like a photograph.

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