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  NeVeRLiFt

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6/18/13 6:03:24 PM#21
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Component Item Price
Processor Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz $129.99
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H $95.99
Memory Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 $37.99
Graphics Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti $129.99
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7,200 RPM 1TB $74.99
Asus DRW-24B1ST $19.99
Enclosure Corsair Carbide 200R $59.99
Power supply Corsair CX430M $49.99
Total   $598.92
 

Two CPU cores for the price of six.  What could possibly go wrong?

are you an idiot?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=144

 

for the money the i3 kicks ass and AMD always has problems in games with their cpu/gpu so I stay away from them

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  ShortyBible

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6/18/13 6:03:38 PM#22

Not trying to derail the thread, but I have a hardware question.

Will this video card run games fairly well?

EVGA GTX 550 Ti(Fermi)  1GB 192bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0x16 Video Card  SLI Ready.

Thanks

 

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  Artalis

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6/18/13 6:20:56 PM#23

I just upgraded from my 550ti to a 660ti and passed the 550ti down to my son.

The short answer is yes it will play games.

Will it play new games well with fancy settings turned up? Probably not.

it all depends on what you want to play.

 

  Xer0id

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Joined: 9/06/08
Posts: 343

6/18/13 6:21:51 PM#24
Originally posted by ShortyBible

Not trying to derail the thread, but I have a hardware question.

Will this video card run games fairly well?

EVGA GTX 550 Ti(Fermi)  1GB 192bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0x16 Video Card  SLI Ready.

Thanks

AMD-7870 Ranked: 17: Score 4225

GTX 550-TI Ranked 68: Score 1925

GTS 450 Ranked 84: Score 1532

GT 610 Ranked 319: Score 343

---------------PassMark Software--------------

As an owner of a GTS-450 I'm able to start up the games of today, and play them on low detail.

1600x900 resolution - DmC/Dragons Prophet/Smite/etc.

You should do just fine....however my 7870 blows it all out of the water <_< jus-sayin 32-inch gaming. woot woot xD

  13lake

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Posts: 122

6/18/13 6:26:45 PM#25
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Component Item Price
Processor Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz $129.99
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H $95.99
Memory Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 $37.99
Graphics Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti $129.99
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7,200 RPM 1TB $74.99
Asus DRW-24B1ST $19.99
Enclosure Corsair Carbide 200R $59.99
Power supply Corsair CX430M $49.99
Total   $598.92
 

Two CPU cores for the price of six.  What could possibly go wrong?

are you an idiot?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=144

 

for the money the i3 kicks ass and AMD always has problems in games with their cpu/gpu so I stay away from them

He's not the one whos the idiot, ...

Frostbite 3 AMD optimized, Crysis 3 AMD optimized, 6300 beating 3220 hands down everywhere, silly 2 core processor has been dead in the water ever since it was announced that new consoles will have amd processors. Planetside 2 AMD and multi-core optimized.

Stop doing this, stop baiting and tricking people into wasting money on Intel, when those people want good cost to perfomance ratio. If you're being payed by Intel to do this, can't you let one hard working guy get a better machine for less money for once.

 

Haven't you helped Intel scam and trick enough people already ? 

Enough is Enough, AMD is coming back in full force and Nvidia and Intel are gonna take the backseat once more, ...

  Hrimnir

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Joined: 5/24/10
Posts: 1075

6/18/13 6:29:39 PM#26

If you want to build a solid gaming setup i wouldnt settle for anything less than a GTX 660Ti or the AMD equivalent.

On AMD video cards i will caution you, their hardware is fantastic, but they have the worst drivers on the freaking planet.  In 20 years of building PC's i've had over a dozen different AMD cards, and between me and about a dozen other computer geek friends who build our own, i can count on one hand the number of AMD cards we havent had stupid problems with.

Personally i won't buy AMD cards anymore for gaming.  I've bought a couple as HTPC cards that have worked ok, but even with those i've had stupid annoying driver issues (settings that won't save, or revert back to default randomly, etc).

 

For processors, dual core vs quad is pretty meaningless for games.  Pretty much nothing (even most professional apps) have trouble utilizing more than 2 processors threads with any real aplomb.  The most important thing for gaming is at least 2 cores, and the fastest cores you can get with at least 2.

I.E.   A dual core I5 at 2.4ghz would be better for gaming than a quad core i5 at 2.1ghz.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years this will change, but for now no games properly utilize multiple cores.

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  waynejr2

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Posts: 3712

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6/18/13 6:30:36 PM#27
I sometimes wonder when something like this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-mini-itx-gaming-pc,3513.html comes out and then a thread gets started like this if there is a cause->effect thing going on.   In any case, perhaps some useful information in the link.
  Jockan

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Joined: 9/03/08
Posts: 4086

6/18/13 6:36:16 PM#28

  Phry

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Posts: 5093

6/18/13 6:36:57 PM#29
Originally posted by 13lake
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Component Item Price
Processor Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz $129.99
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H $95.99
Memory Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 $37.99
Graphics Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti $129.99
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7,200 RPM 1TB $74.99
Asus DRW-24B1ST $19.99
Enclosure Corsair Carbide 200R $59.99
Power supply Corsair CX430M $49.99
Total   $598.92
 

Two CPU cores for the price of six.  What could possibly go wrong?

are you an idiot?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=144

 

for the money the i3 kicks ass and AMD always has problems in games with their cpu/gpu so I stay away from them

He's not the one whos the idiot, ...

Frostbite 3 AMD optimized, Crysis 3 AMD optimized, 6300 beating 3220 hands down everywhere, silly 2 core processor has been dead in the water ever since it was announced that new consoles will have amd processors. Planetside 2 AMD and multi-core optimized.

Stop doing this, stop baiting and tricking people into wasting money on Intel, when those people want good cost to perfomance ratio. If you're being payed by Intel to do this, can't you let one hard working guy get a better machine for less money for once.

 

Haven't you helped Intel scam and trick enough people already ? 

Enough is Enough, AMD is coming back in full force and Nvidia and Intel are gonna take the backseat once more, ...

Don't worry, the guy lost all credibility when he called Quiz an idiot..  truly a facepalm moment

  ShortyBible

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Joined: 1/14/10
Posts: 259

6/18/13 6:41:21 PM#30
Originally posted by xer0id
Originally posted by ShortyBible

Not trying to derail the thread, but I have a hardware question.

Will this video card run games fairly well?

EVGA GTX 550 Ti(Fermi)  1GB 192bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0x16 Video Card  SLI Ready.

Thanks

AMD-7870 Ranked: 17: Score 4225

GTX 550-TI Ranked 68: Score 1925

GTS 450 Ranked 84: Score 1532

GT 610 Ranked 319: Score 343

---------------PassMark Software--------------

As an owner of a GTS-450 I'm able to start up the games of today, and play them on low detail.

1600x900 resolution - DmC/Dragons Prophet/Smite/etc.

You should do just fine....however my 7870 blows it all out of the water <_< jus-sayin 32-inch gaming. woot woot xD

Thank you for your response. I am also using a GTS 450 on an older rig.

The GTX 550 is going to be on another rig that I got really cheap.

I do hope to place a better cpu and graphic card in the rig later on.

This is what I got for $248.00. Thought it was a deal.

 

>Rosewill ATX micro case and 400 watt power supply
>Gigabyte GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3  Intel Z68 Micro ATX LGA 1155  Mother board
>Intel Core i3 2100   3.1 GHz
>4GB DDR3 1600 RAM
>DVD RW Drive
>500 GB Velociraptor HDD
>EVGA GTX 550 Ti(Fermi)  1GB 192bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0x16 Video Card  SLI Ready
> Mother board is unlocked and can be over clocked

 

Also Got a 27" Asus Monitor for $175.00 Had 1 stuck pixel so I got it at that price.

 

 

http://www.entropiapartners.com/?r=22415

  Quizzical

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Posts: 13175

6/18/13 7:29:08 PM#31
Originally posted by xer0id
Originally posted by Quizzical

Here you go:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8140617&CatId=1946

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=4953872&CatId=7703

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5400618&CatId=7387

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=894285&CatId=4534

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=125449&CatId=5431

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6267238&CatId=1509

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7281716&CatId=2459

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8020886&CatId=89

That comes to $630.63, including sales tax, but before shipping and rebates.  I'm not sure what shipping is, nor how you feel about rebates.  If you need to bring that price tag down some, then get a cheaper video card:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7867678&CatId=7387

Personally, I'd lean toward spending more on the processor and less on the video card up front, as a video card is much easier to upgrade later, but you strike me as the sort of person who knows up front that you're never going to upgrade.

Everything above seems to be quite golden, except for the CPU/Motherboard. AM3 Mobo = Future FX-Series Processors Piledriver/Ex/Beyond will use an AM3 socket board. If you choose wisely you can eventually upgrade to a better processor down the road with AM3. Intel CPU's are known to be quite pricey, which is why AMD is the way to go if you're on a budget. The best FX-Series processor is the 8350 which has the power of a Intel-i5.

Just in case you want to upgrade - Future Proof yourself with an AM3+ Motherboard 970+

I actually own a 4100 FX-Series Processor, and I'm able to run every single game very well. The processor he has listed is slightly better than the one I own. The bigger your screen/resolution the better the graphics card you will need, to keep that FPS up.

DO NOT SKIMP OUT on a graphics card - anything FX-4100 and above will do you excellent! or the FM2/Amd Athlon....

 

Check out this site to guage the speed/ranking of the current best processors/graphics cards and prices.~ It's an excellent site! http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1470687&CatId=5530

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1239961&CatId=7341

Keep in mind - I did NOT calculate the prices together - Nor the Taxes!

When I started on the build, I went with an FX-6350 together with an MSI 970A-G46 motherboard.  But then once it got time to add the video card at the end, the fastest I could pick and stay strictly within budget was a Radeon HD 7750.  For personal use, I'd actually sooner go that route, as it's easy to upgrade a video card later.  But the original poster doesn't seem likely to upgrade his computer later if he's relying on an employer to pay for it and not willing to go a penny over the stated budget.  I decided that it was better to put more money into the video card at the expense of giving up a CPU upgrade path that wouldn't have been used anyway.

  gomangofast

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OP  6/18/13 7:31:28 PM#32
Originally posted by Quizzical

As for an optical drive, if that's the only thing you're taking out of an old computer, then the old computer is likely worth more intact.

Haha, I will let you be the judge.  My current computer is a Gateway with an Intel Core 2 Duo 1.86 ghz processor, 2 GB of 533 MHz RAM, a 235w PSU, and an NVidia 520 GT graphics card, all running good old Windows Vista 32-bit.

 

If someone would like to buy that let me know :-)

 

Anyway, a lot of replies to my thread, thanks.  Some conflicting info making it hard for a noob like me though.  (two fast cores vs 4-6 slower ones?  etc.)   I think I'll tough it out for a little while and try to catch individual components on really good sales?  

 

  Quizzical

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6/18/13 7:42:06 PM#33
Originally posted by ShortyBible

Not trying to derail the thread, but I have a hardware question.

Will this video card run games fairly well?

EVGA GTX 550 Ti(Fermi)  1GB 192bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0x16 Video Card  SLI Ready.

Thanks

 

If you're looking at buying it new, don't.  Well, unless you can get it for something unusually cheap like $50.

  Quizzical

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6/18/13 7:48:13 PM#34
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Originally posted by Quizzical
Originally posted by NeVeRLiFt
Component Item Price
Processor Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz $129.99
Motherboard Gigabyte GA-H77-DS3H $95.99
Memory Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3-1600 $37.99
Graphics Gigabyte GeForce GTX 650 Ti $129.99
Storage Seagate Barracuda 7,200 RPM 1TB $74.99
Asus DRW-24B1ST $19.99
Enclosure Corsair Carbide 200R $59.99
Power supply Corsair CX430M $49.99
Total   $598.92
 

Two CPU cores for the price of six.  What could possibly go wrong?

are you an idiot?

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/677?vs=144

 

for the money the i3 kicks ass and AMD always has problems in games with their cpu/gpu so I stay away from them

The relevant AMD competitor to the Core i3-3220 is the AMD FX-6350 together with an AMD 970 chipset motherboard.  That gets you a comparable quality motherboard and essentially the same total CPU+motherboard price tag.

A Core i3-3220 will tend to beat an FX-6350 in single-threaded programs, but not by much.  In programs that scale well to many cores, the FX-6350 will win in a complete slaughter.  Programs that need a lot of CPU power tend to fit the latter category rather than the former.

Your link doesn't list an FX-6350, but it does list an FX-6300, which is a lower clocked version of the same thing.  And the FX-6300 beats the Core i3-3220 in every single game on your link.

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6/18/13 7:54:49 PM#35
Originally posted by Hrimnir

If you want to build a solid gaming setup i wouldnt settle for anything less than a GTX 660Ti or the AMD equivalent.

On AMD video cards i will caution you, their hardware is fantastic, but they have the worst drivers on the freaking planet.  In 20 years of building PC's i've had over a dozen different AMD cards, and between me and about a dozen other computer geek friends who build our own, i can count on one hand the number of AMD cards we havent had stupid problems with.

Personally i won't buy AMD cards anymore for gaming.  I've bought a couple as HTPC cards that have worked ok, but even with those i've had stupid annoying driver issues (settings that won't save, or revert back to default randomly, etc).

 

For processors, dual core vs quad is pretty meaningless for games.  Pretty much nothing (even most professional apps) have trouble utilizing more than 2 processors threads with any real aplomb.  The most important thing for gaming is at least 2 cores, and the fastest cores you can get with at least 2.

I.E.   A dual core I5 at 2.4ghz would be better for gaming than a quad core i5 at 2.1ghz.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years this will change, but for now no games properly utilize multiple cores.

AMD has the worst video drivers?  Have you ever tried Intel video drivers?  Up until perhaps a year or so ago, I don't think anyone outside of Intel marketing had anything nice to say about Intel's video drivers.

It's interesting that you've been buying AMD video cards for 20 years when AMD didn't have much to do with graphics until 2006, and putting an AMD brand name on video cards didn't happen until late 2010.

As for the number of CPU cores available, if a game isn't threaded, you can only use one, and a second core doesn't necessarily buy you much.  And if the programmers are aware that they should thread there game, why would they stop at two cores rather than putting as many cores to good use as they can?  If you're CPU bound, games aren't hard to thread to push several CPU cores.

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6/18/13 8:00:48 PM#36
Originally posted by gomangofast
Originally posted by Quizzical

As for an optical drive, if that's the only thing you're taking out of an old computer, then the old computer is likely worth more intact.

Haha, I will let you be the judge.  My current computer is a Gateway with an Intel Core 2 Duo 1.86 ghz processor, 2 GB of 533 MHz RAM, a 235w PSU, and an NVidia 520 GT graphics card, all running good old Windows Vista 32-bit.

 

If someone would like to buy that let me know :-)

 

Anyway, a lot of replies to my thread, thanks.  Some conflicting info making it hard for a noob like me though.  (two fast cores vs 4-6 slower ones?  etc.)   I think I'll tough it out for a little while and try to catch individual components on really good sales?  

 

To me, just having another functional computer available as a backup in case something happens to my main computer is worth something.  You probably could pull the optical drive out of the old computer if you need to, but it's only $16 for a new one.

And it's not so much a question of two fast cores versus 6 slow ones.  The "fast" cores are barely faster than the "slow" ones, to the degree that even in purely single-threaded programs, the 6-core CPU will still sometimes win.  And that's even if you exclude corner cases that will make heavy use of AES-NI or FMA.  The CPU I linked has four cores rather than 6, but it is also a lot cheaper.

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6/18/13 8:04:38 PM#37
Originally posted by waynejr2
I sometimes wonder when something like this http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/budget-mini-itx-gaming-pc,3513.html comes out and then a thread gets started like this if there is a cause->effect thing going on.   In any case, perhaps some useful information in the link.

I'm not a fan of Tom's Hardware's builds.  They put way too much emphasis on benchmark performance and not nearly enough on reliability.

Though you can justify a Core i3 for a Mini ITX build much better due to its reduced power consumption.  But that's not what the original poster is looking for.

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6/19/13 7:10:55 AM#38
Originally posted by GrayGhost79
Originally posted by Quizzical

Why do you need to buy from Tiger Direct?

Do you need new peripherals (monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, surge protector)?

And why do you need a new motherboard, but not a new OS, when a new motherboard usually means that you need a new OS license?

Thats an easy fix with a phone call. 

This.

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6/19/13 7:15:50 AM#39
Originally posted by Hrimnir

If you want to build a solid gaming setup i wouldnt settle for anything less than a GTX 660Ti or the AMD equivalent.

On AMD video cards i will caution you, their hardware is fantastic, but they have the worst drivers on the freaking planet.  In 20 years of building PC's i've had over a dozen different AMD cards, and between me and about a dozen other computer geek friends who build our own, i can count on one hand the number of AMD cards we havent had stupid problems with.

Personally i won't buy AMD cards anymore for gaming.  I've bought a couple as HTPC cards that have worked ok, but even with those i've had stupid annoying driver issues (settings that won't save, or revert back to default randomly, etc).

 

For processors, dual core vs quad is pretty meaningless for games.  Pretty much nothing (even most professional apps) have trouble utilizing more than 2 processors threads with any real aplomb.  The most important thing for gaming is at least 2 cores, and the fastest cores you can get with at least 2.

I.E.   A dual core I5 at 2.4ghz would be better for gaming than a quad core i5 at 2.1ghz.

Maybe in 5 or 10 years this will change, but for now no games properly utilize multiple cores.

Sind windows 7 launched and DX11 came to live with 5870 amd videocard i made switch from nvidia to AMD and im realy glad i did.

Not only are the cards superb videocards ive not have any trouble with drivers and these days they can EASLY COMPETE with nvidia drivers.

So your statement for todays AMDdrivers is FALSE.

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OP  6/19/13 7:31:16 AM#40

Reply @ Quizzical or really anyone who can answer the question I guess. 

 

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=8140617&CatId=1946 was the processor suggested for $90, but for $110 I could get a FX-6100 which scored a lot better on benchmark websites from what I see.  Or for $150 I could get a FX-8320 which blew away these others on the same benchmarks.  So my question is, my budget aside for a moment, are those other 2 processors much better values and performance for gaming?  Or are the benchmarks not really relevant and the $90 is just as good?

 

And if I were to go with the $150 processor, is http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7736064&CatId=7375 an ok motherboard to pair it with?

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