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  Miklosan

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OP  6/14/13 9:45:40 PM#1

Hey,

 

I've been playing games my entire life. Consoles, pc and eventually pc online. Gotta say the online experience beats all, I just love it. But I also love my dear brother. My brother on the other hand never ever bothered with the internet to much nor the online gaming ofcourse! Sure, he's online once in a while just to buy things online and such but besides that? NOPE, he pretty much hate computers and therefore he's unfortunately not on the internet much.

 

Let me tell you what he actually do love oh sorry, caps is needed here, he ABSOLUTELY LOVES SKYRIM!!!  He's on ps3....

 

Now, I've played mmo for years but never ever played with him online. A co-op via tv on a shooter is as close as I can get to it lol;) You get it....

 

Now I kind of like Skyrim on Ps3 aswell, despite being a more or less.....99% computer player! It's a nice little break from my online-gaming actually. Relaxing infront of the tv and immerse myself slowly into this beautiful world we all know by now....SKYRIM while sitting on the sofa is just nice.

 

BUT!!!

What if I intend to stay on my mmo that I am playing on PC at the moment but wanna have a nice litte gaming experience with my dear brother online for once on he's belowed Ps3 (going to be ps4!).

What is the big deal?????

The platforms will be seperated

One can still play on a nice computer (like mine and I tell you-Mine is good) and adjust the graphics up to very high!

 

What the heck is the problem???

 

 

 

  BeansnBread

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6/14/13 9:55:21 PM#2

There are a few reasons.

 

One of them is because a lot of the times when games have been on console and then get ported to PC, there are major UI issues. Even Skyrim's UI is pretty horrible for PC and that's because it was designed for a console. Fortunately, PC users are able to mod it out. And according to what someone linked the other day, they are going to allow for players to mod the ESO UI as well. (To what extent they allow us to do this is a whole other question that needs to be answered).

 

Another reason people see it as a poor direction is they feel like if you can be effective with a controller then the combat is going to be overly simplistic. I think someone was saying there are 7 hotkeys, attack and block in this game (probably some hold the button bashing as well). Many people are looking at that and wondering if it has enough complexity to keep them interested and are also wondering if it was done in the name of consoles.

 

People just generally feel like the user experience suffers whenever a game is on both PC and consoles. It's not always true but has been true enough times that people are very skeptical.

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Wraithone

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Joined: 7/09/04
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If you can't kill it, don't make it mad.

6/14/13 10:16:34 PM#3

Consoles have their place, but as far as I'm concerned, nothing beats the PC for games I'm interested in.  Not to mention that all of my motor reflexes are mouse and keyboard based.  I'm simply not going to mess those up by learning a new set for a console controller.

Then of course there is MickeySofts Xbox One... Talk about overwhelming arrogance.  That console was designed for the whims of Big Content, not for Mickysofts unfortunate customers.  It takes a LOT to make Sony look good by comparison, but the Evil that lurks in Redmond has managed it.

I'll close with a joke thats making the rounds... "In Microsoft America, TV watches you!"... ^^

  itbewilly

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Joined: 6/05/09
Posts: 345

6/14/13 10:26:54 PM#4

Some groups will always be sworn nemesis's to one another.

Casual vs Hardcore

PC vs Console

Xbox vs Sony

Group players vs solo players.

Sandbox vs Themepark

Will never end. Then of course there are us gamer's who will play anything as long as its a decent game and have no real affiliation to any of those groups named.

  VincerKaden

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Joined: 8/12/06
Posts: 460

6/14/13 10:27:53 PM#5

Personally, I never really understood why gamers differentiate. I like video games. It doesn't really matter what system it's running on. If it's fun, I'll play it. I have no preference, and play no favorites between consoles and PC. I believe some games play better on some systems mechanically speaking: MLB on my PS3, but Defiance on my PC, for example.

 

I'm a gamer. And it's my belief that we should stop categorizing ourselves any further then that. Heck, some on these forums can't even agree on an MMO and resort to calling each others games derogatory names.

 

Let's all just game in whatever ways pleases us.

  azzamasin

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Joined: 6/06/12
Posts: 2805

We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality.

6/14/13 11:51:16 PM#6

I don't hate consoles but I also do not believe that a proper full fledged MM Ocan work on one either.  There are systems and developmental procedures that work best with full control of a PC with Keyboard and Mouse and I whole heartedly believe MMO gaming is one of those.

 

Another reason why I hate the announcement is for a year now they have stated how the game will come out at the end of 2013, that's still 6 months away, plenty of time to complete the design systems needed but now the team will be split working on multi-platform portability and for the life of the game, this will be an issue.  Delayed patch cycles will be the norm IMO.

 

Lastly I feel that TESO had the opportunity to do something no one has ever done since WoW or Eve.  That is to continue to grow their market share post Launch.  Every MMO looses players after 30 days but with an amazing IP which consists of millions of potential new gamers to the MMO sphere it could of potentially grown instead of shrink.  Now those fans wanting to get in on MMO's will do so from the Console and due their limited nature, especially the lack of a proper communication tool (the keyboard and chat system) it becomes a boring game.  That's my 2c though and I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.

If your idea of a Sandbox is open FFA Full Loot PvP, full crafted world with minimal support for anything combat then your sandbox ideas are bad! Sandbox means open world, non-linear gaming PERIOD!

  itbewilly

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6/15/13 12:10:42 AM#7
Originally posted by azzamasin

I don't hate consoles but I also do not believe that a proper full fledged MM Ocan work on one either.  There are systems and developmental procedures that work best with full control of a PC with Keyboard and Mouse and I whole heartedly believe MMO gaming is one of those.

 

Another reason why I hate the announcement is for a year now they have stated how the game will come out at the end of 2013, that's still 6 months away, plenty of time to complete the design systems needed but now the team will be split working on multi-platform portability and for the life of the game, this will be an issue.  Delayed patch cycles will be the norm IMO.

 

Lastly I feel that TESO had the opportunity to do something no one has ever done since WoW or Eve.  That is to continue to grow their market share post Launch.  Every MMO looses players after 30 days but with an amazing IP which consists of millions of potential new gamers to the MMO sphere it could of potentially grown instead of shrink.  Now those fans wanting to get in on MMO's will do so from the Console and due their limited nature, especially the lack of a proper communication tool (the keyboard and chat system) it becomes a boring game.  That's my 2c though and I could be wrong but I seriously doubt it.

You are aware that consoles have had keyboard/mouse support since playstation 2 right?

They have usb ports. as long as your controller is charged you can chat and play with keyboard/mouse all you want. Hell ps3 even had a nice nifty little Qwerty keyboard attachment to make typing while playing a lot easier. Anyone who has used a mobile phone with a Qwerty keyboard can type as much as they like in any game.

Also most of these new mmos from videos i have seen(games like The Division and Destiny) will feature voice chat.

Qwerty Keyboard accessory http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Wireless-Keypad-Playstation-3/dp/B001ENPDJA

but any usb keyboard will work on them most likely.

  SnarkRitter

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6/15/13 2:46:36 AM#8
Originally posted by itbewilly

You are aware that consoles have had keyboard/mouse support since playstation 2 right?

They have usb ports. as long as your controller is charged you can chat and play with keyboard/mouse all you want. Hell ps3 even had a nice nifty little Qwerty keyboard attachment to make typing while playing a lot easier. Anyone who has used a mobile phone with a Qwerty keyboard can type as much as they like in any game.

Also most of these new mmos from videos i have seen(games like The Division and Destiny) will feature voice chat.

Qwerty Keyboard accessory http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Wireless-Keypad-Playstation-3/dp/B001ENPDJA

but any usb keyboard will work on them most likely.

Your point is moot because the vast majority of console users use controllers, not mouse and keyboard. So the gameplay and it's future developement will be severely handicapped because of controllers.

  MyTabbycat

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Joined: 8/19/12
Posts: 306

6/15/13 8:33:25 AM#9

I personally don't care whether it's for consoles or not. I'll still be playing on PC.

The more fans from Skyrim, Oblivion and Morrowind that can play ESO, the better, in my opinion.

  Jorl

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Joined: 2/05/12
Posts: 262

6/15/13 8:40:32 AM#10

Overall the PC is cheaper to run where xbox is concerned. You can do more than what an xbox can and will always have better graphics than any console. With a PC you have more control on your game settings. Until now xbox players were not aware they were being conned and realized... hey I can do this and more on a PC!. So most like my self are sticking to the PC and PS4.

I will in time buy a ps4, few months after release. I don't own a PS3, never have. But after seeing the route Microsoft is going with their product and how they spat in their customer(s) fan base faces... no thanks.

  Varthander

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Joined: 9/19/07
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Forum ranks are useless.

6/15/13 8:52:05 AM#11
Originally posted by Miklosan

Hey,

 

I've been playing games my entire life. Consoles, pc and eventually pc online. Gotta say the online experience beats all, I just love it. But I also love my dear brother. My brother on the other hand never ever bothered with the internet to much nor the online gaming ofcourse! Sure, he's online once in a while just to buy things online and such but besides that? NOPE, he pretty much hate computers and therefore he's unfortunately not on the internet much.

 

Let me tell you what he actually do love oh sorry, caps is needed here, he ABSOLUTELY LOVES SKYRIM!!!  He's on ps3....

 

Now, I've played mmo for years but never ever played with him online. A co-op via tv on a shooter is as close as I can get to it lol;) You get it....

 

Now I kind of like Skyrim on Ps3 aswell, despite being a more or less.....99% computer player! It's a nice little break from my online-gaming actually. Relaxing infront of the tv and immerse myself slowly into this beautiful world we all know by now....SKYRIM while sitting on the sofa is just nice.

 

BUT!!!

What if I intend to stay on my mmo that I am playing on PC at the moment but wanna have a nice litte gaming experience with my dear brother online for once on he's belowed Ps3 (going to be ps4!).

What is the big deal?????

The platforms will be seperated

One can still play on a nice computer (like mine and I tell you-Mine is good) and adjust the graphics up to very high!

 

What the heck is the problem???

 

 

 

I dont... really see the relation of that with the previous said

  Shadanwolf

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Joined: 6/13/10
Posts: 1883

6/15/13 8:57:13 AM#12

OP...no "hate"

Frankly as a consumer of information....I want what I want and nothing more.

I have zero interest in consoles and don't want  information about them in games in my gaming news content.Gaming news sites need to give me what I want...NOTHING MORE...nothing less

I want PC games and if a developer is going to divert resources to other platforms and significantly impact the quality of its PC version..that a significant concern

 

Or if like ESOL they devote resources to consoles that I think are delaying the production of the PC version of the game...to me...thats a reason to tune that game out...almost completely (are you listening ESOL ? )

  itbewilly

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Joined: 6/05/09
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6/15/13 10:47:16 AM#13
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Originally posted by itbewilly

You are aware that consoles have had keyboard/mouse support since playstation 2 right?

They have usb ports. as long as your controller is charged you can chat and play with keyboard/mouse all you want. Hell ps3 even had a nice nifty little Qwerty keyboard attachment to make typing while playing a lot easier. Anyone who has used a mobile phone with a Qwerty keyboard can type as much as they like in any game.

Also most of these new mmos from videos i have seen(games like The Division and Destiny) will feature voice chat.

Qwerty Keyboard accessory http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Wireless-Keypad-Playstation-3/dp/B001ENPDJA

but any usb keyboard will work on them most likely.

Your point is moot because the vast majority of console users use controllers, not mouse and keyboard. So the gameplay and it's future developement will be severely handicapped because of controllers.

My point isnt moot. I addressed his statement that without a keyboard you cannot socialize like you can in other mmo's. Clearly console's have had keyboard support for 10 years+. Nice try disproving what i proved tho. On second thought maybe i should have underlined/highlighted the part i was relying to or just quote that area of his post :). 

I understand your point. The problem is pc gamers are under the misconception that all mmo's require huge ui's and a ton of abilities. EQOA had a limited UI and was more then playable. DCUO has a UI that works well with controllers. GW2 would easily be playable on a controller for either console. The games have and can succeed on a controller. 

Most people complaining about console mmo';s have no idea what they are talking about. There have only been 3-4 console mmo's. If the game is based off controls of a single player rpg(TESO) or the game is based off action combat and not standing around alt tabbing and hitting 0-9 with a few ctrl's and shifts here and there they have all the need to be good on consoles.

"Edited because i didn't wanna to seem like i was just trolling"

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

6/15/13 10:50:19 AM#14

Well the fact that all major consoles now are trying to be like mini computers, why not just use one. If I slap Playstation sticker on the side of my computer, does it make it a console or a pc?

My years of experience............. pc always beats a console in many ways. Much you can not do with a console even after giving it a 8 core processor, a small hd, and some memory.

  megarax

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6/15/13 10:55:38 AM#15
Originally posted by Onomas

Well the fact that all major consoles now are trying to be like mini computers, why not just use one. If I slap Playstation sticker on the side of my computer, does it make it a console or a pc?

My years of experience............. pc always beats a console in many ways. Much you can not do with a console even after giving it a 8 core processor, a small hd, and some memory.

And again, we know that pc's have better performance. 

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

6/15/13 10:59:57 AM#16
Originally posted by granit1024
Originally posted by Onomas

Well the fact that all major consoles now are trying to be like mini computers, why not just use one. If I slap Playstation sticker on the side of my computer, does it make it a console or a pc?

My years of experience............. pc always beats a console in many ways. Much you can not do with a console even after giving it a 8 core processor, a small hd, and some memory.

And again, we know that pc's have better performance. 

Why consoles should just transition over and make a pc line that uses playstation/xbox games instead of charging outrageous amounts of money for something so lacking. That would be a killer market for the millions, if not billions of console fans.

They have better reaction time also, and more. Just not performance in general An 8 core processor in the new consoles is impressive, but not if it isnt complemented with the other things you need.

  megarax

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6/15/13 11:06:06 AM#17

Just finished ME3 and I had a great gaming experince. And that on a six or something year old machine. Yep, outrageous price. 

 

 

  bliss14

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Ahh devil ether.

6/15/13 11:07:38 AM#18

I never really cared about consoles after my first Nintendo so I have no hate or love towards them in a vacuum.  But after playing the stupendous Morrowind and then the abortion that was Oblivion I just think PC games vs console games should be made completely different.  

Morrowind was a PC game first.  Oblivion was a console game first.  And Oblivion suffered for it. 

  steamtank

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6/15/13 11:16:14 AM#19
Originally posted by itbewilly
Originally posted by SnarkRitter
Originally posted by itbewilly

You are aware that consoles have had keyboard/mouse support since playstation 2 right?

They have usb ports. as long as your controller is charged you can chat and play with keyboard/mouse all you want. Hell ps3 even had a nice nifty little Qwerty keyboard attachment to make typing while playing a lot easier. Anyone who has used a mobile phone with a Qwerty keyboard can type as much as they like in any game.

Also most of these new mmos from videos i have seen(games like The Division and Destiny) will feature voice chat.

Qwerty Keyboard accessory http://www.amazon.com/PS3-Wireless-Keypad-Playstation-3/dp/B001ENPDJA

but any usb keyboard will work on them most likely.

Your point is moot because the vast majority of console users use controllers, not mouse and keyboard. So the gameplay and it's future developement will be severely handicapped because of controllers.

My point isnt moot. I addressed his statement that without a keyboard you cannot socialize like you can in other mmo's. Clearly console's have had keyboard support for 10 years+. Nice try disproving what i proved tho. On second thought maybe i should have underlined/highlighted the part i was relying to or just quote that area of his post :). 

I understand your point. The problem is pc gamers are under the misconception that all mmo's require huge ui's and a ton of abilities. EQOA had a limited UI and was more then playable. DCUO has a UI that works well with controllers. GW2 would easily be playable on a controller for either console. The games have and can succeed on a controller. 

Most people complaining about console mmo';s have no idea what they are talking about. There have only been 3-4 console mmo's. If the game is based off controls of a single player rpg(TESO) or the game is based off action combat and not standing around alt tabbing and hitting 0-9 with a few ctrl's and shifts here and there they have all the need to be good on consoles.

"Edited because i didn't wanna to seem like i was just trolling"

you are missing the point of needing the kb+m

its not for chatting in game.

 

its a more complex and robust set of possibilities while playing

i map all 16 buttons on my mouse... and still use 1-6 on my keys as well as qweasd

 

no game designed for a console will support that... because I would have a clear advantage over a console controller player.

 

even fps games have better control and accuracy on KB+M over console versions

  BadOrb

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6/15/13 11:23:58 AM#20

I was trying to work out what the OP was getting at and I think the conclusion was that he was going to play TESO on his PC whilst his brother plays the game on his PS4 ? If I'm correct then i have some bad news for you and your brother. TESO on PC , mac and Xbox one will be on the same server but the PS4 version will have a seperate server for TESO. I heard it from the horses mouth in a gamespot interview at E3.

Cheers,

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