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  wizyy

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6/11/13 11:59:47 AM#21

These forums are so friendly, everyone who disagrees with you is a troll... Sigh.

Anyways, I don't really know why is having an autoattack in the game so bad. There's a LOT of people who play MMORPGs not for combat, but for social aspects and will NEVER get good in rotations and such.

Why can't we have both?

For example, let's say there is an autoattack OPTION, but if you disable it, you can do combo attacks, or your attacks get to be faster or do more damage.

For such a heated topic in MMORPGs I don't really see why such a compromise has never been made (not that I know of, at least).

  Hatefull

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6/11/13 12:05:15 PM#22
Originally posted by Purutzil

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LMAO - This is perfect.

 

@ OP.  Ok you don't like the game got it.  Can I ask though, where did you see it would have no auto attack?  There is no real use in screaming; 'The sky is falling" without backing it up with proof.  

I have to ask though based off another post of yours, why would you be interested in this game at all?  It is made by people that raid, its a progression to raid set-up.  PvP is also a factor but I have not been data mining on that side at all, but reviewing what the devs have posted, and bouncing that off what you stated: "I don't raid and I seldom PvP", this game sounds exactly like something you would not play anyway.

Lots of questions, not sure why you are so excited about the alleged lack of auto attack, considering the above information.

If you want a new idea, go read an old book.

  simplius

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OP  6/11/13 12:09:51 PM#23

i saw it on gamebreaker,,and it was a note from the devs

it was on the TWIMMO show, so it should be legit

  Drakynn

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6/11/13 12:10:08 PM#24
Originally posted by wizyy

These forums are so friendly, everyone who disagrees with you is a troll... Sigh.

Anyways, I don't really know why is having an autoattack in the game so bad. There's a LOT of people who play MMORPGs not for combat, but for social aspects and will NEVER get good in rotations and such.

Why can't we have both?

For example, let's say there is an autoattack OPTION, but if you disable it, you can do combo attacks, or your attacks get to be faster or do more damage.

For such a heated topic in MMORPGs I don't really see why such a compromise has never been made (not that I know of, at least).

There are plenty of games with autoattacks that such people an play if they wish.Not every game has to be made the same way or try to appeal to the same audience.

Autoattack exists in past MMOs because the combat was cooldown based and there was a need for filler animaitons in between so characters didn't look stupid just standing there in battle waiting for cooldowns.That was their purpose,if they were in fact a big part of dps or not was incidental and just something that happened.

The reason for this type of  what is really turn based combat played out in real time was the technical limitation in hardware and internet infrastructure at the time.Both of these limitations have vastly improved in most areas and so new types of MMOs and combat systems in MMORPGs can now be attempted.

If the character is in constant motion in combat and the player actively involved then there is no need for filler attacks.Most people won't miss autoattack except those who want to type during combat and those who like to afk during combat constantly.

  arieste

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6/11/13 12:13:40 PM#25

Wait, someone thought that a space-western-cartoon MMORPG is "mainstream" ?  lol.

 

As far as major titles without auto-attack - just off the top of my head - AoC, GW2, TSW, Tera, TR, Neverwinter, Defiance.. uhm.. did CoH have auto-attack?  There have been tons.  Auto-attack is really quite irrelevant.  Even in games that DO have auto attack, it's not relevant for some of the classes.    An RPG is all about choosing which action to take next.  To choose, you need to press buttons. 

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  simplius

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OP  6/11/13 12:14:18 PM#26
Originally posted by Hatefull
Originally posted by Purutzil

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LMAO - This is perfect.

 

@ OP.  Ok you don't like the game got it.  Can I ask though, where did you see it would have no auto attack?  There is no real use in screaming; 'The sky is falling" without backing it up with proof.  

I have to ask though based off another post of yours, why would you be interested in this game at all?  It is made by people that raid, its a progression to raid set-up.  PvP is also a factor but I have not been data mining on that side at all, but reviewing what the devs have posted, and bouncing that off what you stated: "I don't raid and I seldom PvP", this game sounds exactly like something you would not play anyway.

Lots of questions, not sure why you are so excited about the alleged lack of auto attack, considering the above information.

i like mmos

and i like scifi

enough reasons?

  Keilani

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6/11/13 12:14:46 PM#27

Because there is no auto attack doesn't mean the game is a "niche" game. The game only requires more skills in timing your attack and to actually focus on what you're doing.  It's also more challenging.

  dontadow

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6/11/13 12:15:10 PM#28
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Yes because a game that does your attacks for you is much more fun. Basically the OP is saying "if this game isn't what i want then it's a niche game" *stomps foot*

wow has autoattacks

name me ONE big mmo, without autoattack?

 

Name one MMORPG that was a top 10 game before 20 years ago. Okay, your turn again. 

 

  Aconsar

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6/11/13 12:16:25 PM#29
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Yes because a game that does your attacks for you is much more fun. Basically the OP is saying "if this game isn't what i want then it's a niche game" *stomps foot*

wow has autoattacks

name me ONE big mmo, without autoattack?

 

And you just went there.  I couldn't facepalm harder today if I tried.

 

You name the one black sheep/fluke game in terms of popularity and playerbase that will never happen again in MMOs and use it as an example as to why a game will or won't make it in popularity (which to you 400 THOUSAND players isn't big) based off one simple game mechanic that's as archaic as the dinosaur. 

  simplius

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OP  6/11/13 12:22:43 PM#30
Originally posted by arieste

Wait, someone thought that a space-western-cartoon MMORPG is "mainstream" ?  lol.

 

As far as major titles without auto-attack - just off the top of my head - AoC, GW2, TSW, Tera, TR, Neverwinter, Defiance.. uhm.. did CoH have auto-attack?  There have been tons.  Auto-attack is really quite irrelevant.  Even in games that DO have auto attack, it's not relevant for some of the classes.    An RPG is all about choosing which action to take next.  To choose, you need to press buttons. 

wrong, GW2 does have autoattack

 

  Drakynn

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6/11/13 12:25:28 PM#31
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by arieste

Wait, someone thought that a space-western-cartoon MMORPG is "mainstream" ?  lol.

 

As far as major titles without auto-attack - just off the top of my head - AoC, GW2, TSW, Tera, TR, Neverwinter, Defiance.. uhm.. did CoH have auto-attack?  There have been tons.  Auto-attack is really quite irrelevant.  Even in games that DO have auto attack, it's not relevant for some of the classes.    An RPG is all about choosing which action to take next.  To choose, you need to press buttons. 

wrong, GW2 does have autoattack

 

Half Wrong.As pointed out before GW2 has the option to select an ability for auto attack but it is neither necessary or optimal to playing.

  simplius

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OP  6/11/13 12:31:05 PM#32
Originally posted by Keilani

Because there is no auto attack doesn't mean the game is a "niche" game. The game only requires more skills in timing your attack and to actually focus on what you're doing.  It's also more challenging.

bingo,,the very definition of a hardcore mmo

if the devs were responsible people, they would print it in big letters on the box

but i guess, they rather take the Money from casual players, and take the shitstorm after

  ShakyMo

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6/11/13 12:39:37 PM#33
Wow in space = not niche
  simplius

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OP  6/11/13 12:43:58 PM#34

maybe , thats why they went for the cartoon style,,to lure in wow players

if it really is wow in Space, they should do fine

but , it looks like the combat will be more like TERA

and how well did TERA do?

  Doomedfox

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6/11/13 12:49:45 PM#35
Originally posted by simplius

i dont play for "effeciency",,,i play for FUN

i dont raid, and i VERY rarely PVP

welcome to another mmo with 3-400k subs

they may sell a lot of boxes, but within a year, they will be at the same level as swtor

and, do you think, this is what the devs want? or do they want to earn a lot of Money?

 

I play for FUN as well which is why i welcome the no auto attack option tho.

I guess everyone has different preferences i have fun playing and actively controlling my characters every move.

Others it seems rather tab target and click once for the character to do his thing.

Both is cool i suppose but saying it will fail because its not how you prefer it is ignorant.

I believe that no auto attack is the way to go players want to be more active more involved i think that when you offer active dodge/block you have to make the step to have no auto attack as well.

  Wyrdfell

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6/11/13 1:19:23 PM#36


Originally posted by simplius

Originally posted by arieste Wait, someone thought that a space-western-cartoon MMORPG is "mainstream" ?  lol.   As far as major titles without auto-attack - just off the top of my head - AoC, GW2, TSW, Tera, TR, Neverwinter, Defiance.. uhm.. did CoH have auto-attack?  There have been tons.  Auto-attack is really quite irrelevant.  Even in games that DO have auto attack, it's not relevant for some of the classes.    An RPG is all about choosing which action to take next.  To choose, you need to press buttons. 
wrong, GW2 does have autoattack

 


Guild Wars 2 has the option for auto attack.But auto attack in Guild Wars 2 is the most unneccessary thing and there is no pro player in Guild Wars 2 who uses auto attack.

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  Eyrothath

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6/11/13 1:32:40 PM#37
Originally posted by simplius
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Yes because a game that does your attacks for you is much more fun. Basically the OP is saying "if this game isn't what i want then it's a niche game" *stomps foot*

wow has autoattacks

name me ONE big mmo, without autoattack?

 

Besides World of Warcraft, name me an MMO that doesn't..

  Eyrothath

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6/11/13 1:34:34 PM#38
Originally posted by simplius

i dont play for "effeciency",,,i play for FUN

i dont raid, and i VERY rarely PVP

welcome to another mmo with 3-400k subs

they may sell a lot of boxes, but within a year, they will be at the same level as swtor

and, do you think, this is what the devs want? or do they want to earn a lot of Money?

 

How is SWTOR anythig remotely similar to Wildstar?

SWTOR has very little content and very little PVP.. It went F2P and people still don't play it.

  Eyrothath

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6/11/13 1:37:50 PM#39
Originally posted by simplius

maybe , thats why they went for the cartoon style,,to lure in wow players

 

 

Or maybe it is because a majority of the development team worked on WoW!?

  Mtibbs1989

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6/11/13 1:40:49 PM#40
Originally posted by simplius

apparantly, there will no autoattack in wildstar

spamming the same attack button over and over, even in an fight with trash mobs, isnt challenging

its a TIMESINK

it isnt content, either,,i doubt, that it will stop botting too

im so disappointed, i had high hopes for this game

didnt they learn ANYTHING from tortanic?

cancelled my preorder, this was one of the things, that drove me away from swtor

and you dont HAVE to use autoattack,,you can simply turn it off

this is like a car,with only one gear,,enjoy

 Sorry I don't want to insult your intelligence buuuuuuut... how is pressing one button and waiting for the monster to die more challenging that the action based combat system? I'm pretty sure you need minimum brain power to press a button one time! In order to start auto attacking. 


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