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General Discussion  » $12,500 founder pack? What?

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  Deasant

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6/09/13 9:33:13 AM#41
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

 What's wrong with investing a large amount of money into a company?

I'll tell you what's wrong with this founder style investing...

With traditional investment style, the investors reap profit rewards when game is published. ROI, return over investment.

With founder style investment, investors give money and never share in the profit.

If you can't see the problem with this, I need investors for my game called "I'm unemployed, I need food and my dentist charges a killing". I accept Paypal

  Loktofeit

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6/09/13 9:37:37 AM#42
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

 What's wrong with investing a large amount of money into a company?

Nothing. What's wrong is how few MMO gamers seem to understand the difference between donating and investing.

There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein

  Thodra

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6/09/13 9:41:17 AM#43
Imagine... Spend that kind of money and the game flops, shutting down after a year. Not saying it will, just crazy to gamble like that

  Chram

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6/09/13 10:34:49 AM#44
Originally posted by Deznts
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

 What's wrong with investing a large amount of money into a company?

I'll tell you what's wrong with this founder style investing...

With traditional investment style, the investors reap profit rewards when game is published. ROI, return over investment.

With founder style investment, investors give money and never share in the profit.

If you can't see the problem with this, I need investors for my game called "I'm unemployed, I need food and my dentist charges a killing". I accept Paypal

I indeed fail to see "the problem". The difference is, I won't have any fun after paying for your dentist's bill.

It's simple. Bunch of guys, mostly hardcore Diablo II vets with an ARPG itch they couldn't quite scratch with Titan Quest, Sacred etc., agreed they would really like to experience a spiritual successor to their favourite game. They chose a bunch of skilled designers and programmers among themselves and pooled some money together to make the game possible, everyone adding what he can. That's basically how the game was made. Then they launched closed beta and more people decided that the game was indeed fun and that they would like to make it better (by paying for it's development). And so people bought the supporter packages, mostly in the 10$ - 20$ range, but some bought the 100$ or 150$  ones and then someone who really loved the game and wanted to see it improved paid the 1000$ diamond packages.

The game launched and did get better. More people wanted it to get even larger and more awesome. But there is only so much you can buy in the store, and cosmetic effects and pets aren't really that enticing. So now GGG is giving the loyal players the opportunity to further support the development - it is clearly labelled and universally understood as such.

It has nothing to do with an investment. 

  modus

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6/09/13 10:47:23 AM#45
Put that kind of money into a game, and there should be monetary return based on sales.  Sure it'd be a drop in bucket for development but ...
  Yaevindusk

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6/09/13 11:04:12 AM#46

 

 

I see nothing wrong with this.  If someone wants to support a game or development team, then that's their prerogative.  If fact, I like to see more of this.  The ability to support our favorite games if we'd like, and perhaps make some kind of mark within them such as making a monster that fits the lore.

 

Path of Exile is not an offensive game in terms of what it sells in it's store (though I haven't looked at it in a while), and thus packs that help support the game of any kind are a welcome site.  There may be a few jealous souls -- or entitled lot -- that make fun of this, but ... well, that's just this industry for you nowadays.

 

The real thing here is that $12,500 is almost unheard of at the moment.  But I do know of people who spend upwards of $10,000 on cash shops, saying that it's their choice.  While I personally would just donate that to an animal shelter or something, it's not my decision to make.

 

In fact, this is a good thing if you take a moment to look at it.  This is a way for legit free-to-play games (that don't offer gambling or anything of the offense-to-some sort) to be able and get the big spenders to spend big without also offending certain gaming crowds.  If the same people don't like it, then I don't know what to tell developers or anyone... as then it's just a case of everyone wanting everyone free regardless of any situation that arises.

When faced with strife or discontent, the true nature of a man is brought forth. It is then when we see the character of the individual. It is then we are able to tell if he is mature enough to grin and bare it, or subject his fellow man to his complaints and woes.

  nerovipus32

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6/09/13 11:08:39 AM#47
Originally posted by Datastar
LOL wow that's....just wow....if someone actually buys that I hope they suffer immensely, some folks cant even afford food.

Why do you care what others do with their own hard earned money?

  nerovipus32

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6/09/13 11:12:09 AM#48
Originally posted by Loktofeit
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989

 What's wrong with investing a large amount of money into a company?

Nothing. What's wrong is how few MMO gamers seem to understand the difference between donating and investing.

No mmo gamers obsess over how others spend their money, it's really none of your business.

  Onomas

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Sandbox is your only hope for a decent mmo ;)

6/09/13 11:12:12 AM#49

You average gamer in today's society can not even afford (or doesn't want to spend) 15/month, and yet they expect them to dish out 12k on trinkets?

  nerovipus32

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6/09/13 11:16:09 AM#50
Originally posted by Onomas

You average gamer in today's society can not even afford 15/month, and yet they expect them to dish out 12k on trinkets?

No they don't expect the average gamer to shell out 12k, it's obviously not a deal for the average gamer. if someone who has money wants to buy this then that is their choice.. there is no expectancy involved.

  Slappy1

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6/09/13 11:25:26 AM#51
There's been at least 1 purchaser of the 12.5k pack.A couple day's ago I saw someone with that forum title.Ruler of Wraeclast.

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  Mtibbs1989

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6/09/13 12:31:57 PM#52
Originally posted by GwapoJosh
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Hayasa
Noone finds wierd the Tabula Rasa T-shirt? Seriously, why Tabula Rasa? O_o

 Tabula Rasa is more than just a video game :)

 In addition to the 12,500 dollar package. If none of you have even paid attention to this game for that long (since many of you didn't even see this). These packs have essentially been here since the public knew about Path of Exile. They're there to help fund the development of the game and since they're an extremely small development team they need the money. They did not go about doing a Kickstarter like many other companies. Instead, they've made this feature available for people on their website for those who are willing to help pay the development process.

 The "founder pack" if you'd like to call it is more like bundles you'd receive when you're helping to fund a Kickstarter. For example: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game . Hex is a game currently under development which is offering many packs for investors to choose from. Their packs run all the way up to 10,000 dollars.

 What's wrong with investing a large amount of money into a company?

 Is it so wrong to help fund a company who's doing an incredible job with their game?

 Path of Exile is an extremely good action RPG. The game's supposedly going to have 10 acts. 3 of which are already released so far. The game's 3 acts as of right now are fully playable without any restrictions and the game has major updates on a regular basis. People should not be bashing on a company who's standards are far superior to other companies.

If you are "investing" $12,500 with this company, what are the expected returns?

 Well hopefully if you invest your money into a company GGG for example are the ones creating Path of Exile. You're investing money into a product that you hope will be top notch. Would you disagree that Path of Exile isn't a good game? I'd most certainly invest money into a company if I feel they'll create a quality product and I'll expect a quality product in return.


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  Mtibbs1989

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6/09/13 12:34:05 PM#53
Originally posted by ShortyBible
Originally posted by Mtibbs1989
Originally posted by Hayasa
Noone finds wierd the Tabula Rasa T-shirt? Seriously, why Tabula Rasa? O_o

 Tabula Rasa is more than just a video game :)

 In addition to the 12,500 dollar package. If none of you have even paid attention to this game for that long (since many of you didn't even see this). These packs have essentially been here since the public knew about Path of Exile. They're there to help fund the development of the game and since they're an extremely small development team they need the money. They did not go about doing a Kickstarter like many other companies. Instead, they've made this feature available for people on their website for those who are willing to help pay the development process.

 The "founder pack" if you'd like to call it is more like bundles you'd receive when you're helping to fund a Kickstarter. For example: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cze/hex-mmo-trading-card-game . Hex is a game currently under development which is offering many packs for investors to choose from. Their packs run all the way up to 10,000 dollars.

 What's wrong with investing a large amount of money into a company?

 Is it so wrong to help fund a company who's doing an incredible job with their game?

 Path of Exile is an extremely good action RPG. The game's supposedly going to have 10 acts. 3 of which are already released so far. The game's 3 acts as of right now are fully playable without any restrictions and the game has major updates on a regular basis. People should not be bashing on a company who's standards are far superior to other companies.

Did you buy a $12,500.00 founder pack?

 I will not confirm nor deny this question.


Somebody, somewhere has better skills as you have, more experience as you have, is smarter than you, has more friends as you do and can stay online longer. Just pray he's not out to get you.

  Spellforged

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6/09/13 12:37:21 PM#54
The funny thing is that at least a few rich people will actually buy this.  I guarantee it.  Hundreds of players purchased the Diamond Supporter package ($1,000 get to design a Unique item) in closed beta.

  Drakynn

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6/09/13 12:44:16 PM#55
hmmm isn't wasteful excess and self indulgence historically one of the signs of a Civilization in decline or about to fall?heh.
  Zeblade

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6/09/13 1:06:51 PM#56

Lol wow..  I bet if they changed the wording then most would love it. Kickstarter $12k.. then ..then its ok

 

 

  gameguy369

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6/09/13 1:09:06 PM#57
Originally posted by fascism

6 months later...

"Yeah remember the Mouldy Chicken from Paths Of Exile? I designed that!"

"Paths of exile isnt that a  diablo clone that had all those useless passive skills? People still play that?"

"well no... but I had a part in designing it!"

"How much did they pay you?"

"Uh.. i paid them 12,000 dollars but I got a forum title! And im in the credits!"

"..."

While I agree 12.5k is steep, I wouldn't bash the game itself. It's 1000x better than Diablo 3, and has a lot of really good ideas/mechanics.

  Sengell

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6/09/13 1:33:28 PM#58
I don't understand why many people are so upset about this. They basically ask for a donation giving a candy in return - nothing wrong with that and not disguised in any way. People with a certain wealth have to spend their money anywhere and there are a lot more questionable ways to expend it. And yes, people are suffering around the globe, but that are tasks of governments and nations in a whole, not private person who are free to choose and support their affections. And funding a game for others with less money to enjoy a better playing experience is a nice way to add to a common good. And if americans would care enough for the "hunger in the world"(cause that argument has arisen), instead of accusing a lil freelancer game for ripping of money, they could allow africa to produce their own medicine against hiv, don't grab other people ressources away from them or things like that (don't wonna go into more gruesome detail what could improve the world in a whole), before bitching about private persons donating to a game.
  mari3k

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6/09/13 1:46:35 PM#59

No its not crazy,

1. The time the desinger team makes that monster costs much money.

2. Its oviosly for rich people.If a soccer loving sheek can spend 100 Million to buy a soccer team, then a games loving sheek can buy this with his pocket money.

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  stayBlind

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6/09/13 4:01:18 PM#60
Originally posted by Datastar
LOL wow that's....just wow....if someone actually buys that I hope they suffer immensely, some folks cant even afford food.

How much have you spent on games?

You know, some folks can't even afford food.

Greedy asshole.

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