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  Aragon100

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OP  6/08/13 10:15:57 AM#1

You can take pretty much all clans on EU, with a few exceptions, and you find this kind of behaviour. Guilds zerg up and sit inside their zaptower cities looking at each other. Doing just about nothing that would add some flavor to PvP and add some fun ingame.

And god forbid if anyone break this "safezone" gameplay and siege during primetime hours! Then the zergs get together and with pure numbers set the agenda of continuing this safezone gameplay.

A good example is Pandora that lost their city in a prime time siege (standard for EU is off-hour sieges) even though they were 2:1 up against The Blackhand Order and Liandrii (2 guilds that actually have some balls). Pandora then resieged after getting SUN and KDS together with Friendly Fire, Red Army to join them to get a whopping 6:1 advantage. 

That could some call politics but i call it pure lameness and a game where numbers mean just about everything and player skill mean very little. 

This kind of behavior tell us alot about the "safezone" mentality that even the self-preclaimed "hardcore" guilds practice when it comes to reality. Talking big wont change this.

Some could claim game is boring cause there is so little content, which it is, but why then Zerg jump the clans that try to bring some fun to the game?

Here is a thread that describe the lameness of DFUW EU sieges pretty well -

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?371490-SUN-KDS-Pandora-Friendly-Fire-Red-Army-bring-133-to-the-gates-of-Erinthel

And here we have 2 good examples of what type of PvP these Zergs (Lux Arcana and SUN in this case) prefer, they call it events inside their city limit where they all are binded and with full access to guildbanks for fast reequipping, just amazing -

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?372422-MarShral-Red-Wedding-event-Saturday-8-6

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?372440-Server-PvP-event-question-who-would-turn-up

Why not take a hundred of your guild/alliance mates out of your zap tower cities and actually do something? Or would it be to few?

 

Edit - 3 biggest zergs on EU had a protection pact. Been revealed after Zerg Mercs recently imploded.

SUN (huge carebear guild), Zerg Mercs (added anyone that wanted to join) and Celiahs.

It's the mentality of clans like these that destroy DFUW not the lack of content.

 

  SysFail

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6/09/13 4:55:41 AM#2

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

  Aragon100

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OP  6/09/13 6:33:33 AM#3
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

You can fight for the reason having some fun. Ok i agree that it is better if you have something worth fighting for but i just dont understand the mentality of these zergs. Sitting inside zap tower cities doing nothing is a mentality that will bring doom to this game.

Get out in the open world and create your own content if Aventurine fail to deliver.

 

  ste2000

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6/09/13 6:53:45 AM#4
Originally posted by Aragon100
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

You can fight for the reason having some fun. Ok i agree that it is better if you have something worth fighting for but i just dont understand the mentality of these zergs. Sitting inside zap tower cities doing nothing is a mentality that will bring doom to this game.

Get out in the open world and create your own content if Aventurine fail to deliver.

 

No, that's not a MMORPG.

If I want to PvP "just for fun" I'll play Battlefield or COD...........no need to pay $15 a month.

AV needs to make owing a city worthwhile, it is not player fault.

In the NA server there is more vitality, but I guess Euros and Americans have different approaches on this subject.

Europeans need a reason to move their ass, while Americans PvP "just for fun" (and the $15 which come with it)

  SysFail

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6/09/13 7:15:04 AM#5

I agree with the poster above. I play PS2 for that quick rush of arena style play, but for DF i think the majority like to have the factors that made DF1's meta game so entertaining and of course rewarding when successful. 

As for server difference, I think the reason the NA server has more sieges than the EU server is down to culture, NA players tend to be more egocentric, where as EU players tend to need a reason for war as the above poster said.

  Battlerock

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6/09/13 7:18:35 AM#6
Zergs are not9t fun this is why instanced is better. Instanced with equal sides.
  SysFail

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6/09/13 7:27:30 AM#7
Originally posted by Battlerock
Zergs are not9t fun this is why instanced is better. Instanced with equal sides.

Instances have their place in other games, but i highly doubt theres a single darkfaller that would advocate instances. This thread however is more about the large guilds no doing anything, which is a catch 22 situation until AV encourages large scale conflicts through means that we took for granted in DF1, but shockingly was forgotten with UW's launch.

  xpiher

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6/09/13 9:25:52 PM#8
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

The way the safe zones are designed affect all aspects of the game in a negative way. 


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  Lustmord

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6/10/13 4:10:10 PM#9
We're all still building our cities. Once all the cities are built, I'm sure AV will release the toys to destroy them... Big boats, warhulks, etc.
  Damedius

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6/10/13 9:21:33 PM#10
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

The way the safe zones are designed affect all aspects of the game in a negative way. 

Except the one that matters, new player retention.

Let the whiny vets quit and let the new blood replace them.

  xpiher

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6/11/13 12:45:17 AM#11
Originally posted by Damedius
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

The way the safe zones are designed affect all aspects of the game in a negative way. 

Except the one that matters, new player retention.

Let the whiny vets quit and let the new blood replace them.

 

Until the new players realize theres no point in building or ownin g a city


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  Keller

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6/11/13 2:02:30 AM#12

People claim that DF:UW is a sandbox game. Politics is part of the "sand". Getting on friendly terms with other guilds never hurts. Pissing of players and their guilds will eventually bite you in the ass. If you want to siege someone, you should know who their friends are and who your friends are. Friends does not mean they should help you zerg, they can also be asked to sit this one out.

Playing a MMORPG does involve other players. You cannot tell other players what they should do. If they want to hold events for their own members, that is their right. If they want to scroach at sieges, that is their right. If they choose not to leave their city that is their right. It's up to you to trick/pursuade them in having pvp with you. You want something from them, they do  not need you in order to have fun ;) Sandbox is a double edged sword, no forced mechanics to have pvp.

 

Sieges are broken at this moment. The servers do not handle big battles. There is no reason siege, well that is the general opinion which I personally do not share. A lot of siege equipment is not ingame.

 

Personally I do not see anything out of order in DF:UW. Guilds and most players are enjoying themselves. They know what DF:UW can give them and they make the best out of it.

  Damedius

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6/11/13 2:11:07 AM#13
Originally posted by xpiher

 

Until the new players realize theres no point in building or ownin g a city

Or maybe you and the other vets will finally move on.

This might come as a shock to you but I think the game will be fine without you guys.

  SysFail

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6/11/13 4:27:03 AM#14
Originally posted by Damedius
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

The way the safe zones are designed affect all aspects of the game in a negative way. 

Except the one that matters, new player retention.

Let the whiny vets quit and let the new blood replace them.

Yes, we must not overlook the hordes of new players chomping at the bit to play this games ruleset.

  Damedius

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6/11/13 5:32:46 AM#15
Originally posted by SysFail
 

Yes, we must not overlook the hordes of new players chomping at the bit to play this games ruleset.

The game is more populated than I have ever seen it. People are out in the world and PvP is easy to find.

The original Darkfall was never like this. Even when the pop was high, people were all standing around macroing 90% of the time at this point in the game.

  Greymoor

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6/11/13 6:31:26 AM#16
Originally posted by SysFail
Originally posted by Damedius
Originally posted by xpiher
Originally posted by SysFail

Until there is something worth fighting for, i don't see any of the big clans going to war. AV have failed miserably in this aspect so far, but hopefully by the time summer is over, the game might have added some content that gives incentives to siege, but with AV already falling behind with their roadmap, it may be longer...

The way the safe zones are designed affect all aspects of the game in a negative way. 

Except the one that matters, new player retention.

Let the whiny vets quit and let the new blood replace them.

Yes, we must not overlook the hordes of new players chomping at the bit to play this games ruleset.

There are so many new players in the game right now it's pretty amazing.

  GroovyFlower

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6/11/13 6:47:30 AM#17
Originally posted by Aragon100

You can take pretty much all clans on EU, with a few exceptions, and you find this kind of behaviour. Guilds zerg up and sit inside their zaptower cities looking at each other. Doing just about nothing that would add some flavor to PvP and add some fun ingame.

And god forbid if anyone break this "safezone" gameplay and siege during primetime hours! Then the zergs get together and with pure numbers set the agenda of continuing this safezone gameplay.

A good example is Pandora that lost their city in a prime time siege (standard for EU is off-hour sieges) even though they were 2:1 up against The Blackhand Order and Liandrii (2 guilds that actually have some balls). Pandora then resieged after getting SUN and KDS together with Friendly Fire, Red Army to join them to get a whopping 6:1 advantage. 

That could some call politics but i call it pure lameness and a game where numbers mean just about everything and player skill mean very little. 

This kind of behavior tell us alot about the "safezone" mentality that even the self-preclaimed "hardcore" guilds practice when it comes to reality. Talking big wont change this.

Some could claim game is boring cause there is so little content, which it is, but why then Zerg jump the clans that try to bring some fun to the game?

Here is a thread that describe the lameness of DFUW EU sieges pretty well -

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?371490-SUN-KDS-Pandora-Friendly-Fire-Red-Army-bring-133-to-the-gates-of-Erinthel

And here we have 2 good examples of what type of PvP these Zergs (Lux Arcana and SUN in this case) prefer, they call it events inside their city limit where they all are binded and with full access to guildbanks for fast reequipping, just amazing -

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?372422-MarShral-Red-Wedding-event-Saturday-8-6

https://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?372440-Server-PvP-event-question-who-would-turn-up

Why not take a hundred of your guild/alliance mates out of your zap tower cities and actually do something? Or would it be to few? 

 

zerg already make DF1 failing from day one first 3 months where terible, you had HUGE zergs it was rediculous it never worked and never will

When smaller clans try attack some other clan they just call there alliance and BAM clan lose all becouse 200 players zerg alliance took it back this small clan from the map.

Also this rediculous all race calns i never understood some in beginning try play the lore mahirim only clans or ork clans try fight the humans or alfar it never worked.

Darkfall should have gone Asheron's call system ala Darktide or race wars like lore said. Penalty for other races to join enemy allaince like mahirim or orks could never join filthy humans/dwarfs/elfs(mirdain) or alfar.

Would have all be alot deeper and interesting.

Sure in beginning The Mercs where mahirim clan but the exploited and cheated so much they where not worthy clan for darkfall.

  aesperus

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6/11/13 6:58:34 AM#18

Welcome to human nature.

People will ALWAYS gather together when given the option. Even if it's not necessarily in their best interests. Zerging is always assumed to be the safest option, and thus people will do it when they can.

There's really no point crying about it.

Even in games that have mechanics that are specifically designed to break up or kill zergs, people will still do it. Unless you want heavily instanced MMOs, this will always be an issue in this genre. It's also one of the most common reasons systems fail, get scrapped, or seem lackluster in an MMO; because they have to be built in a way that can accomodate large groups of players.

  bcbully

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Joined: 3/03/12
Posts: 7249

6/11/13 6:59:45 AM#19

Is there am alliance system in place or is it just "Hey let's be friends"? Are these alliances formal?

 

In Wushu a guild can have up to 3 formal alliances. Only these 3 can enter your wars. The kicker is they may have a war themselves with someone else. 

When I eat chocolate chip pie it just doesn't feel like chocolate chip cookies. The texture, the consistency, it's just not the same and this is disappointing.

  B1mble

Apprentice Member

Joined: 10/04/10
Posts: 151

6/11/13 7:06:00 AM#20

Sounds to me like they constructed all that was necessary for mass battles and sieges but gave little though to any kind of political structure or social law to give it direction.

 

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