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6/07/13 10:44:52 PM#41
Originally posted by roblvsall
Cataclysm, for me, was the end of WOW. I mean really, 40 plus dollars for them to take the same tired maps and what? Add fire? What a slap in the face of their faithful players. Their problem is that they do not do anything about the outdated graphics, but let's make an expansion STOLEN from King Fu Panda? They even ran out of ides! Shame shame! Head to Neverwinter and see what your missing WOW fans.

Yes, because thats all they did with the 1-60 revamp was add fire...

Its funny how stupid most people make themselves look when bashing WoW, but its sad how many people actually believe some of it.


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6/08/13 12:18:34 AM#42

I don't think that it's really fair to mention the fact that the original EQ had a sequel  in half the time that WoW has existed. In fairness, EQ2 launched just ahead of WoW, and that still has no sequel.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm a big EQ2 fan (played waaaay longer on that than on WoW), but it wasn't a well thought out statement to make.

I'm just waiting for a F2P overhyped sandbox WoW clone with full PVP, epic raid bosses, instanced group content, and Crysis-quality graphics to come out. That, or something fun.


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6/08/13 1:02:05 AM#43
Blizzard loves WoW and wants that game to continue forever. How could Titan not be WoW 2.0 with top notch graphics and some major tweaks ?  

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6/08/13 1:23:40 AM#44

I think Blizzard re-doing Titan because it is their last chance to shine again. As you know WoW keep going down (although I cannot see a better MMO in the market still, sad but true), D3 disaster, and I assume SC didnt work out so well as they are predicted (not sure about this one tho ^^), they need to have a new admiral ship to carry them on. I sincerely hope that Titan will bring new features to the MMORPG world, since WoW I couldn't find a game that I completely accept and love in every ascept. Don't take me wrong please, I'm not a Blizz fanboy.

But for god's sake, we are in 2013 and I still cannot see an MMO that attracts millions towards it (for a long time). GW2 was good yea but many people left the game before it has reached the first year. Rift is excellent game for casuals but horrible for hardcore players. I'm not even going to talk about SW:TOR disaster. NW is just like what I expected from Crypic and Perfect World companies etc and list goes on like that.

So as you can see we all waited for that game or this game, but we couldn't truly satisfied from any of them (yes I tried/played them all).

Now there are Titan, Archeage, EQ Next, Wildstar, Elder Scrolls Online and Black Desert MMOs ahead of us. I hope that at least one of them will be enough to keep us entertained for years :) Thanks for reading, have a nice day fellow gamers :)


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6/08/13 3:39:38 AM#45
I honestly will never play any bliz game again, wow sucks balls, d3 sucked, sc2 was meh, im so over anything bliz, glad titan tanked.

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6/08/13 4:30:19 AM#46
I am not holding my breath for something I know nothing about. I buy all blizzard games when they come out so yeah I will get Titan or whatever it's called once it's released.

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6/08/13 5:51:52 AM#47
Im just interested to see what their idea is. They have resources and experience. Thats why i am interested in their approach and learning from experts on what the next move should be. Trying to understand that when also understamding the current market, helps to understand what nakes for expert ppinion or in orher words an investable idea. Once a person understands that it helps to make more useful suggestions.

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6/08/13 6:36:47 AM#48
Originally posted by Manolios

i think that if we take a different look maybe we can see better.


we all see the decline of wow subs as a half empty glass of water. maybe we must see it on the opposite. half full.


its obvious that there is a sub decline. but have you ever think that maybe is smaller than even they predicted? that after 10 years and especially after so many games released, with many of them as ''wow killers'' or at least huge IP's  (gw2, aion, warhammer, rift, aoc, swtor etc), even blizz would think that the decline would be MUCH bigger? tbh i my self believed that the decline would already be much bigger.


so, once again, why they have the need to release Titan? they still have the milking cow. maybe with less than 12m subs, but with as many subscribers as the sum of many other mmo's together and for sure a number that still brings them millions of dollars.


imho they dont feel the need to release a new mmo at the current time. they still dont feel the kind of pressure or money loss, to put in danger the money maker wow. and tbh i dont think that they will do it in the near future too...




This. This is what it's all about. Why take money (subscribers) from one pocket and spent money (develop) to put it in your other pocket? Blizz feels safer milking the cow at the moment.
Simple as that imho


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6/08/13 6:42:10 AM#49
So much QQ - you'll all be playing Titan like the rest of us you're all to scared to admit it.

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6/08/13 6:51:17 AM#50
Originally posted by DonVadim
I guess they decided to wait till all the upcoming sandboxes get released, so they can see if they do well and then steal the ideas from them. You know, just like they did with WoW. Copied everything that was the best in everquest and other mmos then just polished it and hyped with warcraft IP. 

Yeap.. That is how Blizzard works. They are extremely good in perfecting game ideas... but not good to create new game ideas.

And its not just WoW.. it is basicly everything.

Warcraft IP -> Warhammer

Starcraft IP -> Warhammer 40k + Aliens

Warcraft -> Dune 2

you get the picture.


The point is the next big thing might be some kind of sandbox. Minecraft was a huge success, but it is extremely indy, and not a MMO, and not a lot of game in it.. so they don't know how to exactly do a working sandbox formula.. as noone else knows at the moment. (and i mean for the mass market.. everything else isn't worth it for Blizzard)

With that said.. it might be something completely different in the end. (after another setback and reset.. and only Blizzard is capable of doing it.. to really wait as long as it is necessary)

Simple put.. you just need to look what is huge, or was huge?

LoL/Dota - Blizzard already is working on Blizzard All Stars.

Mobile, Iphone and Android + Facebook - Blizzard got Hearthstone

Call of Duty/BF3/FPS - well Call of Duty is from Activision

Minecraft - ??? (yeap, that one is missing) and very well suitable for a MMO of some kind. (And also the reason why EQNext is going Sandbox)

So they will already work on some ideas(taken from Minecraft), will wait what EQNext and other can deliver, what really works. And that might be their next MMO.



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6/08/13 8:40:28 AM#51
Sounds like Starcraft ghost all over again.

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6/08/13 8:46:26 AM#52
Sounds like we have another Starcraft ghost on our hands. Who knows if this game will ever even make it out of development. WoW wasn't an amazing mmo it had one of the buggiest launches I've ever seen and people just put up with it because there was nothing else that interesting at the time. Blizzard has been pumping out nothing but disappointing games look at diablo 3...terrible and MoP and cataclysm were easy and trivial. I wouldn't expect anything great to come from blizzard. I'd bet Titan gets scraped all together.

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6/08/13 9:06:55 AM#53

does anyone else think blizz is really just waiting for a "lull" into which they will introduce titan?


with a LOT of big deal games coming into being with much fanfare in the next couple years (A realm Reborn, Wildstar, New EQ, ArcheAge, New Ultima, new Camelot) maybe Bliz is waiting for a moment in the future to have the stage to themselves, so to speak.


the risk they run is that a lot of their potential player base might be already locked into their game of choice for the forseeable future... if the new games are good enough to retain them.


to me, the ball is really in everyone else's court right now as opposed to blizz.

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6/08/13 4:10:50 PM#54

Blizzard take on CCP, nice joke there. Blizzard are a one trick pony, if it isn't Diablo, Warcraft or Starcraft then they don't know what they are doing. 


Oh yeh and by the by. Warcraft is based on Warhammer, just that Gameswork Shop pulled the plug to Warcraft and Blizzard changed some details and ran with it. So in effect WoW is Warhammer Online.


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6/08/13 5:16:14 PM#55

If Titan had been launched by this point in time, I would imagine it could have been a vastly different game than WoW. However, with WoW getting long in the tooth and loosing steam, I'm going to have to say that Titan, when it eventually launches, will be intended to target the exact same audience that WoW targeted.

Titan taking a queue from Eve seems extremely unlikely.

If I had to guess, Titan would much more likely be a game that would take the best of WoW and the Best of GW2, probably improving on what works for GW2 and making it much more accessible to the masses, then adding difficult raid content to keep their hard core raiding guilds happy.

GW2 may not be threatening WoW, but it is the most successful MMO in recent years by a long margin and does provide a lot of innovation that makes titles using the stale old design tropes pale in comparison. So, yeah, I think Titan will borrow a lot from GW2 and then improve upon it.

There has been a lot of speculation that Titan will be a sci-fi title. If so, Wildstar might have put a wrinkle in Blizzards plan, as Wildstar looks like a sci-fi cross between WoW and GW2, with it's own innovations added on top. If Titan was starting to look like it might be received as a Wildstar clone, that would not be a position Blizzard would want to find itself in.

Blizzard's revenue shows they have been doing most things right, but I've always felt that they completely wasted a lot of potential for WoW and it's inevitable successor in the pace of expansion and the lack of additional mmo products.

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6/08/13 5:46:43 PM#56

Ultimately, I don't think it much matters what Blizzard is working on.  There are so many other offerings releasing over the next couple years, that I'm no longer all that excited to hear about Titan.  Sure it will be cool to finally see what it is, and even better if it turns out to be good, but it's simply not the big news it used to be for me. 

They might as well take their time and let the current flood of coming releases pass anyway.

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6/08/13 7:19:25 PM#57
While I would love to see blizzard make a game with the same emphasis on emergent gameplay and player created content that has made the Eve universe such an amazing thing, I do have a feeling that it would be like seeing an elephant trying to jump like a kangaroo....

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6/08/13 8:44:17 PM#58

Well... All things aside, i can safely say that i have never seen such a horrible writer. The worst thing about it, this adam guy, was trying to sound proficient but instead, his post should be ridiculed on the basis of an attempt at persuasion, that failed.

Learn to write properly, not only persuasively, but in general, before you try to manipulate the minds of the readers.


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6/09/13 8:57:34 AM#59

I wont take credit for this idea, because I saw it in another post on somewhere, but it sums up my opinion. 

Blizzard were lucky with WOW. They copied just the right combination of features at just the right time and produced the perfect MMO for the time. It combined all the best features of its predecessors and removed many of the worst features. They are no "masters of design" or anything even close. 

The Titan delay, and the reason Blizzard haven't released another MMO, is because if they do, and it is nowhere near as successful as WOW(and it wont be, the industry has changed massively since WOW was released) then confidence in Blizzard will tumble and with it their share price. They are scared. 



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6/09/13 9:01:46 AM#60
Originally posted by Banden
While I would love to see blizzard make a game with the same emphasis on emergent gameplay and player created content that has made the Eve universe such an amazing thing, I do have a feeling that it would be like seeing an elephant trying to jump like a kangaroo....

You would have to create many zones, 1 single server shard, and a reason to fight.

It can be done, just not with the amount of subs WOW has/had.....and in the worst case you get groups of players who have been defeated a lot band together to form supergroups+alliances which can cause a Cold War stalemate or massive wars with massive numbers which would crash the hardware like in EVE...


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