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  DavisFlight

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6/03/13 8:33:07 PM#81
Originally posted by ZombieKen
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by ZombieKen
Originally posted by Grailer

[mod edit]

 

Old WoW (Vanilla) was decent fun, and plenty of adults played it, myself included. Many stayed through Burning Crusade.

 

 

And for the majority of the core MMO base, it was far too simple and poorly designed even in vanilla. I always marvel at the people who claimed old WoW was hardcore. WoW has NEVER been hardcore.

 

If the majority felt it too simple and poorly designed, then why did so many games dive in 2005 to 2007 when WoW started growth?

 

Mostly unrelated reasons, or removed reasons.

DAoC started to tank because of ToA and New Frontiers. Many other MMOs started to tank because they tried to copy WoW's features to draw in some of that audience and just ended up driving away their own core audiences. (see: SWG, EQ)

  ZombieKen

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6/03/13 8:36:26 PM#82
Originally posted by DavisFlight
 

DAoC started to tank because of ToA and New Frontiers. Many other MMOs started to tank because they tried to copy WoW's features to draw in some of that audience and just ended up driving away their own core audiences. (see: SWG, EQ)

 

I've seen indications of these myself.  Changing the core mechanics of a game trying to get more people, tends to do little other than piss off existing fans.

 

MSOTSG with PPE : Massively Single-player Online Task-driven Storyline Game with Purchasable Performance Enhancements *grin*

  VengeSunsoar

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6/03/13 8:37:24 PM#83
IMO the majority of the old crowd of gamers did play WoW and enjoyed it. 

Quit worrying about other players in a game and just play.

  aesperus

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6/03/13 9:02:35 PM#84

How many more temper tantrum threads do we need, before people will actually start to think about the reality of the situation. Crying about games all feeling the same doesn't help the genre, and it doesn't help you.

Figure out what EXACTLY is wrong w/ the games according to you, and more importantly analyze yourself as a gamer. The problem isn't always the games. If you legitimately believe that every MMO is a WoW clone, then the problem is most likely YOU.

I can list off pleanty of non-WoW clone MMOs. While there are a lot of more interesting mechanics from other genres I'd like to see utilized in the MMO genre, I also realize that not all are possible (due to inherent tradeoffs when making an MMO), and I'm not going to blindly start crying about every game I don't like either. It accomplishes nothing.

  ignore_me

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6/03/13 9:24:37 PM#85
Originally posted by Shadowguy64
Originally posted by darthbuh

I want carburetors back.

Some things just aren't going to happen.

 

I want to be young and skinny again.

 

I think I'll go start a new thread and rant about it...

 

cool. I'll look for it so I can leave a brief post mocking the premise

Survivor of the great MMORPG Famine of 2011

  MMOExposed

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6/03/13 9:31:40 PM#86
Originally posted by colddog04

Don't play them. Play one of the games that's not like WoW. Here are a few:

EVE

Darkfall

Planetside 2

Perpetuum

Fallen Earth

Ryzom

Anarchy Online

Lineage 2

Vindictus

Guild Wars

Age of Wushu

Ultima Online

Wizard 101

Asheron's Call 1/2

Xsyon

Wurm

Champions Online

APB: Reloaded

Vendetta Online

Pirates of the Burning Sea

Mortal Online

Dofus

Wakfu

Yes yes this... Pleas play them in peace

  TheJoda

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6/03/13 9:32:50 PM#87
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Star Trek Online is a WOW clone now? what?

And people look at me all crazy when i say Wildstar looks like WOW.

Wildstar is WoW in space.  If anyone says no they are kidding themselves.

....Being Banned from MMORPG's forums since 2010, for Trolling the Trolls!!!

  akiira69

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Need longer quote limits.

6/03/13 9:42:14 PM#88
Originally posted by TheJoda
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Star Trek Online is a WOW clone now? what?

And people look at me all crazy when i say Wildstar looks like WOW.

Wildstar is WoW in space.  If anyone says no they are kidding themselves.

You look at Wildstar and see a "WoW Clone" because you want to see it as a "WoW Clone".  The only one who is kidding themselves is you. 

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  Coated

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6/03/13 10:00:03 PM#89
Originally posted by akiira69
Originally posted by TheJoda
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Star Trek Online is a WOW clone now? what?

And people look at me all crazy when i say Wildstar looks like WOW.

Wildstar is WoW in space.  If anyone says no they are kidding themselves.

You look at Wildstar and see a "WoW Clone" because you want to see it as a "WoW Clone".  The only one who is kidding themselves is you. 

Wildstar looks just like WOW. The character design is exactly like WOW. The cartoony feel is exactly like WOW. When I called all the previous games WOW clones, it was more directed at features represented in the game. Wildstar, visually, looks like I could take a troll, or an orc, or any character from wow, stick it right into the game and it would mesh perfectly with the environment. Perfectly!

It doesn't just stop at the character either. I could take any background or town or 'you name it', stick it into wildstar and it would go perfectly with the aesthetic.

Now, I can't speak for the game play, because I haven't had a chance to test it. I get the feeling you haven't either. So right now, we get to go off visual representation. Visually, Wildstar and WOW look identical. More so than any MMORPG previously released. The look is so similar, that I'm surprised blizzard hasn't slapped a law suit on that company.

  Latronus

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6/03/13 10:11:32 PM#90
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
WoW clone when WoW is a clone of EQ1 that started what made MMOs what they are today and EQ1 was a clone as well. Most people that use the term WoW clone dont even know what they are talking about. Do you mean the gear treadmill or the fact its got a hotbar? MMOs like any other line of games, take what works and add to it. Even FPS games all have the same basic elements. Same with RTS games. Time to start judging games on their quality not what is the same. Because when something really unique and new comes out, thats the games that get bashed the hardest by people here.

Stop making sense.  The WoW generation actually thinks that WoW had the first UI, quests, gear, raids, etc. etc.  I'm old enough to have played and enjoyed Pong.  All games are Pong clones because they have input devices, lines of code, utilize an output device (a TV back then), and can be played PvP (2 player back then) or PVE ( 1 player vs the game).  Color and faster computers are just options and nice to have features.  The Atari started it all and the rest are just gold plated clones of Pong.  All you young whipper snappers need to realize that WoW may have the most players, but it is a damn clone itself.  Here's any idea, how about Blizzard try to develop an expansion without copying from other games.  They haven't had an original idea since the "?" And "!".  Oh wait, I'm sure those were in EQ2 that released before WoW and were probably in older games as well.  All games are clones, get over it.

  BatCakez

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6/03/13 10:13:56 PM#91

You've got to love the trolls in this thread who have no grasp on what a great MMO'RPG, is. Most them will jump out the door to the tune 'This is great, I'm having fun!', and spend money on something that is as appealing as sour eggs.

I think (soon, maybe a year or two), we'll start seeing more and more information on games that are listening to the people here, and know themselves that mimicking WoW is a big No No for their success. We just have to wait for this to blow over in the mean time.

 

I've personally taken up solo pc games, because they're more engaging these days.

  DavisFlight

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6/03/13 10:20:25 PM#92
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
IMO the majority of the old crowd of gamers did play WoW and enjoyed it. 

From what I say most went and tried it and then returned to their original games because there was absolutely nothing new there, and most of the things there was just a dumbed down version of what they were already doing.

Based on the MMOs I was playing, the guilds I was in, and the people in RL I know (anecdotes, I know) the core gamers tried it out for a couple months and got bored. The casual games who were blizzard fans and had never liked MMOs LOVED WoW.

  nariusseldon

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6/03/13 10:23:19 PM#93
Originally posted by DavisFlight
 

He's not questioning fantasy. He's wondering how intelligent human beings can have so much fun doing insanely simple, easy, poorly designed chores, and pay money for it. There is no content for hardcore raiders. There's no content for hardcore PvPers. There's no content for people who like crafting. There's no content for people who love housing. There's no content for people who like public dungeons and grouping up.

Because you don't need any of those things you mentioned (crafting,hardcore this, hard core that) to have deep satisfying, fun combat.

Diablo series is a good example. Take any pick of linear good Sp games as another example. If other genre can do it, MMO should too.

 

  BatCakez

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6/03/13 10:41:19 PM#94
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by VengeSunsoar
IMO the majority of the old crowd of gamers did play WoW and enjoyed it. 

From what I say most went and tried it and then returned to their original games because there was absolutely nothing new there, and most of the things there was just a dumbed down version of what they were already doing.

Based on the MMOs I was playing, the guilds I was in, and the people in RL I know (anecdotes, I know) the core gamers tried it out for a couple months and got bored. The casual games who were blizzard fans and had never liked MMOs LOVED WoW.

I'm back from the days of UO, as were a lot of other people I knew who played WoW. Most others were DAOC, and Everquest. What are you basing your information off of? I loved WoW because it was a good game in its time, and I became bored of the emergingly empty world of UO (as most games after EQ and UO, were not immensely successful). Most people I spoke to were not people I was friends with IRL, I met them at different times on varying days/months/years.

I agree that it could've been a half/half scenario. Some were completely new and drawn in, and the others (back before MMORPGs were cool), decided to jump in on the fun, too. Though I wouldn't ever say it was more than another.

Today, it's probably a different story. There is a new audience to this generation of kids.

  User Deleted
6/03/13 10:47:15 PM#95
Originally posted by nerovipus32
Originally posted by colddog04

Don't play them. Play one of the games that's not like WoW. Here are a few:

EVE

Darkfall

Planetside 2

Perpetuum

Fallen Earth

Ryzom

Anarchy Online

Lineage 2

Vindictus

Guild Wars

Age of Wushu

Ultima Online

Wizard 101

Asheron's Call 1/2

Xsyon

Wurm

Champions Online

APB: Reloaded

Vendetta Online

Pirates of the Burning Sea

Mortal Online

Dofus

Wakfu

What a terrible choice.

How about you give some reasoning on WHY it is a terrible choice?  Unless all you are good for is useless criticisim. 

  strangiato2112

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6/03/13 10:53:59 PM#96
Originally posted by Nanfoodle
WoW clone when WoW is a clone of EQ1 

You really have no clue what people mean when they talk clone.  Anyone that says 'WoW was a clone of EQ' just signals they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Its like saying 'the Grand Marquis is similar to the Lincoln town car?  Well the Lincoln Town car was just like the VW beetle!"

 

 

  Margulis

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6/03/13 11:00:04 PM#97
Originally posted by Gorwe

In the genre plagued by uncreative games and by the drive to clone WoW's success, I am looking for good and creative games.

What an oxymoron!

I just can't stand tab target, bland quests, Dungeon grinds, reputation grinds, shallow stories, WoW combat, WoW animations, stand to cast, focus on the endgame, gameworld so bland that players have to bring it to life with an actual Heavy RP, "crafting", ... I mean this has got to end at some point or the other. We've sacrificed Conan, Warhammer, Star Trek, Star Wars, The Elder Scrolls(soon), DnD(Neverwinter- it should've been NWN 3!), LoTR(almost forgot this one lol!)... WHERE DOES THIS STOP???

I agree that we are seeing movement towards both sandboxes and hybrids, but currently we are in the gutter with all the shits, excrements and stuff. Woe be upon this genre...

(I think I'll play TSW+singleplayers until these suits{whose ties are so tight around their necks that they can't think-not enough O2} wake up and realise that you CAN'T REPLICATE WoW's success! Hell, even Blizz can't replicate that "perfect storm", let alone others.)

Is this a good idea? Is anyone else tired of current "MMOs"?

I want MMORPGs back, damn it!!!

Have you looked into Wildstar?

Seriously though, feel fairly similar and hope EQN does what they are saying.  Otherwise yeah pretty much TSW is where it's at currently.  Also check into The Repopulation if you haven't so far.  Seems somewhat original.

  Krimzin

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6/03/13 11:01:12 PM#98


Originally posted by strangiato2112

Originally posted by Nanfoodle WoW clone when WoW is a clone of EQ1 
You really have no clue what people mean when they talk clone.  Anyone that says 'WoW was a clone of EQ' just signals they have no idea what they are talking about.

 

Its like saying 'the Grand Marquis is similar to the Lincoln town car?  Well the Lincoln Town car was just like the VW beetle!"

 

 


I think you are incorrect. Saying that WoW was a clone of EQ is partially right. EQ brought a lot of new aspects to a blossoming new Genre. Raiding for instance. No game prior to EQ offered anything similar to EQ Raiding. The standard controls in EQ are still used in almost all MMOs to date including WoW. So in essence, WoW was a clone of EQ.

Just because I'm a gamer doesn't mean I drive a Honda.


It's an Orange thing

  Margulis

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Joined: 12/14/08
Posts: 1643

6/03/13 11:01:59 PM#99
Originally posted by nerovipus32
TSW is as much a WOW clone as the other games you mentioned, yet you seem to give that game a free ride.

As much of a wow clone?  Hardly.  I'll give you "in some respects", but saying "as much" is laughable.

  Lovely_Laly

Novice Member

Joined: 11/02/10
Posts: 736

game is also real

6/03/13 11:02:19 PM#100

I don't even know why people call other games WoW clones... to me each game is unique

try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2

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