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  Johnie-Marz

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6/03/13 4:12:47 PM#41
Originally posted by mikuniman
Myself, I don't wait or believe in an upcoming holy grail mmo. I just hope it entertains me and I got what I think was my money's worth. High expectations is what game titles want you to feel. Since you basically rent it anyway when it gets old you move on. Remember you stop liking it not the other way around. When a court jester stops entertaining his king, off with his head.

Jesters should probably form a union.

  Theodwulf

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6/03/13 4:12:57 PM#42

What games should they clone? Ones that did real bad? The WoW formula has a huge success behind it.  The problem has been that the WoW clones have been cheap knock-offs of WoW. They have all of WoW's vices and none of it's virtues. WoW vanilla was a great game and it was commercially successful. Why the heck would you not want to copy that? (barring insanity or an overwhelming fear of victory).

 

  I gave up on WoW with Lich king, I will never return BUT no other game I have seen has managed this level of quality. Their worst is far better than everyone else's best. That is an indisputable fact. Most games since have had the single selling point, "We are NOT WoW" and have put forth crap.  The only thing that has saved WoW is the gross incompetence of ALL the competition. They listen far too much to the "Hardcore" niche market and can't figure out their failure.

 

  I'll say it again WoW vanilla was a great game that had universal appeal, feel free to clone it, BUT get it right.

  Johnie-Marz

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6/03/13 4:17:08 PM#43
Originally posted by Theodwulf

What games should they clone? Ones that did real bad? The WoW formula has a huge success behind it.  The problem has been that the WoW clones have been cheap knock-offs of WoW. They have all of WoW's vices and none of it's virtues. WoW vanilla was a great game and it was commercially successful. Why the heck would you not want to copy that? (barring insanity or an overwhelming fear of victory).

 

  I gave up on WoW with Lich king, I will never return BUT no other game I have seen has managed this level of quality. Their worst is far better than everyone else's best. That is an indisputable fact. Most games since have had the single selling point, "We are NOT WoW" and have put forth crap.  The only thing that has saved WoW is the gross incompetence of ALL the competition. They listen far too much to the "Hardcore" niche market and can't figure out their failure.

 

  I'll say it again WoW vanilla was a great game that had universal appeal, feel free to clone it, BUT get it right.

I believe you are right, many games fail because they are just poorly made, not because no one likes WoW clones or no one likes sandboxes.

There are exceptions, like City of Heroes or Tabula Rasa and sometimes games just get old and outdated.

  Arthasm

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6/03/13 4:18:00 PM#44
Guess what  - two seats Porche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc. are clones of Ferari two seats! Problem is not about clones, real problem is how those games are bad.
  mikuniman

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Posts: 241

6/03/13 4:19:45 PM#45
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz
Originally posted by mikuniman
Myself, I don't wait or believe in an upcoming holy grail mmo. I just hope it entertains me and I got what I think was my money's worth. High expectations is what game titles want you to feel. Since you basically rent it anyway when it gets old you move on. Remember you stop liking it not the other way around. When a court jester stops entertaining his king, off with his head.

Jesters should probably form a union.

after watching some seasons of The Tudors I wouldn't want to be their union rep, heads would roll.

  ShakyMo

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6/03/13 4:29:53 PM#46
I don't get op

Warhammer is a wow clone but tsw isn't?

Which 2 of the 3 above do you spend 90% of your time sat around queueing to visit instances?
  BeansnBread

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Posts: 5414

6/03/13 4:30:38 PM#47
I wonder if, when WoW takes that inevitable nose dive, people will be saying, "I told you so!"

SWTOR is the greatest mmo ever!

  Zeblade

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6/03/13 4:31:44 PM#48

Sorry but here we are 8+ years later and say the word WOW and a few have to talk like its a bad word.

People get upset yet even they cant tell you what they want. Every mmo out there you got quests you got pvp blah blah. Your going to do something to get that armor get that item. Every mmo named here is a wow clone other then most now dont want a monthly fee for its FREE TO PLAY! You are now in charge! Haha..yeah that FOUNDER pack? Everwinter, Marvel Heros and so on. Yeah that pack for only $10 your saving $20 for its really worth $30. Do you know how many paid $200 

haha $200.. gee what are the odds that Marvel came up with the same price others did in the past. Because YOU did it so they suckered more how? Make you believe you are getting more for what you are paying. See where you would get all that if they had a monthly $14 now for just $ 10-$200 you get? huh? Lol if you paid just $10.. they KNOW once in game talking and seeing others ..and just like Las Vegas its a gamble that will pay off for them. You walk away you leave with nothing. They leave they walk way with your money that paid their bills their food and so on. 

Its a picture they painted and no different then INFO TV..its just MMO's now.  Look at this site now. Do you know how many MMO's are out there? Yet what PICTURE do you see more then others? I see Scarlets blade. A awful game that we all know makes toons look like little girls. This site knows this and has said the same..yet it brings in money and people..its not about whats good or what you really need..MONEY!

Times have changed the great MMOS that were are gone. To many have made it clear they will pay real money for items thinking its somehow cheaper then paying a month fee.

Now just games and the word pirate pops up for a reason to know you are playing and have to be online. This has been going on way before you or I were born. Its not about pirate .. dont you ever wonder why they want to know? Yes MONEY is a big one yet did you know Facebook,Tweeter can tell you show you where and what you ere doing many months ago? Lol do you know how many dont even believe that.. ignorance is bliss.

This is in this nation and others something that time can not fix. Its going to change and the change will happen fast you wont see it coming. To many are followers. Eurozone 19 million out of work. USA how many? Lol do you even know or care? The dollar is not growing is only a matter of time and so many think is many many years away.

Stop spending YOUR hard earned money on things you THINK you can afford and it dont matter. 

 

 

 

 

  mikuniman

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6/03/13 4:32:12 PM#49
You folks throw around the word fail like it's free, what does it really mean? Even that slew of titles colddog posted almost all are still around. Still around means they're making money and in a business sense doesn't mean failure. I just get the idea cause some believe I hated it so it must be a failure.
  DavisFlight

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6/03/13 4:32:33 PM#50
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Star Trek Online is a WOW clone now? what?

And people look at me all crazy when i say Wildstar looks like WOW.

They have very VERY similar design, just not settings.

 

Originally posted by nariusseldon

Currently MMOs have great variety of settings and mechanics.

That's a laugh riot.

  gessekai332

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6/03/13 4:32:59 PM#51
welcome to the video game business

Most memorable games: AoC(Tryanny PvP), RIFT, GW, GW2, Ragnarok Online, Aion, FFXI, FFXIV, Secret World, League of Legends (Silver II rank)

  DavisFlight

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6/03/13 4:33:43 PM#52
Originally posted by Zeblade

Sorry but here we are 8+ years later and say the word WOW and a few have to talk like its a bad word.

 

 

 

 

It's a pretty bad word, it's one of the most bland, derivative, and uninteresting MMOs to date. No unique features during its entire life span.

  nariusseldon

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6/03/13 4:33:56 PM#53
Originally posted by Johnie-Marz
Originally posted by nariusseldon
Originally posted by WhiteLantern
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

Star Trek Online is a WOW clone now? what?

And people look at me all crazy when i say Wildstar looks like WOW.

Well, you do have a character. And a storyline happening around you. And levels. And equipment. And ......

 

 

You mean it is a Pool of the Radiance clone?

Or a mario clone?

Or a donkey kong clone?

Does pong has a story line?

Good point, most of what we play can be traced back topen and paper DnD; and DnD can be traced back to Tolkien and LoTR's; And lord of the rings could be traced back to mythology.

I blame the GREEKS!!!

And who says clones are bad. Warcraft (the first game) "clone" a lot of the warhammer material and went on to become one of the greatest game.

Diablo 2 .. is practically a clone of D1 with more production values, and expanded content. A great game!

 

  DavisFlight

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6/03/13 4:36:39 PM#54
Originally posted by mikuniman
You folks throw around the word fail like it's free, what does it really mean? Even that slew of titles colddog posted almost all are still around. Still around means they're making money and in a business sense doesn't mean failure.

Seriously? So if a game has say, 300 million budget, bigger than any MMO in history, collapses within a month, almost the entire staff layed off, the founders of the company that made the game quit the business, the stocks of the publisher drops like so many falling rocks, and the game scrambles to go free to play... but it's still running so that investors can hope to some day recoup their losses.... that's a success? Are you mad?

  mikuniman

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6/03/13 4:41:52 PM#55
Originally posted by Grailer
[mod edit]

 

it's called fantasy man, people roll with the opposite of RL. Not saying I do it, but you can bet a fair amount of grown men are rolling lolita warriors types. I think with Wow it was more about the content having something for just about every walk of life.

  nariusseldon

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6/03/13 4:44:19 PM#56
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by mikuniman
You folks throw around the word fail like it's free, what does it really mean? Even that slew of titles colddog posted almost all are still around. Still around means they're making money and in a business sense doesn't mean failure.

Seriously? So if a game has say, 300 million budget, bigger than any MMO in history, collapses within a month, almost the entire staff layed off, the founders of the company that made the game quit the business, the stocks of the publisher drops like so many falling rocks, and the game scrambles to go free to play... but it's still running so that investors can hope to some day recoup their losses.... that's a success? Are you mad?

It is .. if they do recoup their losses, and make some money because of the F2P conversion.

Business turning around is not unheard of, you know. Don't you think DDO is now making money since they are putting out expansions?

  ThaneUlfgar

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6/03/13 4:48:05 PM#57
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by Zeblade

Sorry but here we are 8+ years later and say the word WOW and a few have to talk like its a bad word.

 

 

 

 

It's a pretty bad word, it's one of the most bland, derivative, and uninteresting MMOs to date. No unique features during its entire life span.

 

 

You go, guy.

  mikuniman

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6/03/13 4:52:59 PM#58
Originally posted by DavisFlight
Originally posted by mikuniman
You folks throw around the word fail like it's free, what does it really mean? Even that slew of titles colddog posted almost all are still around. Still around means they're making money and in a business sense doesn't mean failure.

Seriously? So if a game has say, 300 million budget, bigger than any MMO in history, collapses within a month, almost the entire staff layed off, the founders of the company that made the game quit the business, the stocks of the publisher drops like so many falling rocks, and the game scrambles to go free to play... but it's still running so that investors can hope to some day recoup their losses.... that's a success? Are you mad?

Sure I would be disappointed if I made a bad choice and didn't feel I got my moneys' worth. But then again it was my bad choice. If I go see a 300 million dollar movie and I think it' crap doesn't mean you would. My point being yes if they are still able to stay in business it is, if they can't and have to close shop then they failed.

  akiira69

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Need longer quote limits.

6/03/13 4:53:39 PM#59
Originally posted by Gorwe

In the genre plagued by uncreative games and by the drive to clone WoW's success, I am looking for good and creative games.

What an oxymoron!

I just can't stand tab target, bland quests, Dungeon grinds, reputation grinds, shallow stories, WoW combat, WoW animations, stand to cast, focus on the endgame, gameworld so bland that players have to bring it to life with an actual Heavy RP, "crafting", ... I mean this has got to end at some point or the other. We've sacrificed Conan, Warhammer, Star Trek, Star Wars, The Elder Scrolls(soon), DnD(Neverwinter- it should've been NWN 3!), LoTR(almost forgot this one lol!)... WHERE DOES THIS STOP???

I agree that we are seeing movement towards both sandboxes and hybrids, but currently we are in the gutter with all the shits, excrements and stuff. Woe be upon this genre...

(I think I'll play TSW+singleplayers until these suits{whose ties are so tight around their necks that they can't think-not enough O2} wake up and realise that you CAN'T REPLICATE WoW's success! Hell, even Blizz can't replicate that "perfect storm", let alone others.)

Is this a good idea? Is anyone else tired of current "MMOs"?

I want MMORPGs back, damn it!!!

Im sick and tired of people calling any MMO that is released after World of Warcraft a "WoW Clone". What makes things even worse is that you all go into the game hoping to see it as a "WoW Clone". Quit trying to compare every MMO to WoW and just play them for what they are.

"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"

  DavisFlight

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6/03/13 4:53:52 PM#60
Originally posted by mikuniman
Originally posted by Grailer
[mod edit]

 

 

it's called fantasy man, people roll with the opposite of RL. Not saying I do it, but you can bet a fair amount of grown men are rolling lolita warriors types. I think with Wow it was more about the content having something for just about every walk of life.

He's not questioning fantasy. He's wondering how intelligent human beings can have so much fun doing insanely simple, easy, poorly designed chores, and pay money for it. There is no content for hardcore raiders. There's no content for hardcore PvPers. There's no content for people who like crafting. There's no content for people who love housing. There's no content for people who like public dungeons and grouping up.

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