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  RavingRabbid

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Remember Rabbids cant play MMO's, but they can dance!

6/02/13 7:54:51 AM#81
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by RavingRabbid
The mmorpg isn't even the hospital. It fact it's outside playing frisbee with the dog.  There are 1000 of us with 1000 ways on how an mmo should be made. There is no universal answer. People have a lot more choices than ever before on what they like and what to play. It's up to the individual themselves if that like a particular  game or not. The mmo genre is changing and evolving. You have 2 choices.... Don't play mmo's if you don't like the changes or play them.

What fun would be in that? then i would miss the chance to generalize and throw random insults at people for enjoying MMOS and by calling them with every cliche stereotype name i can think of. 

I want every MMO to cater to just my wishes and needs. Because obviously i am 50 years old and the whole world revolves around me.

But seriously.....

Please do not try to bring logic in here.

LMAO! Double plunger salute to you sir! I'm 44 myself and still love games since the Atari 2600 was in my house. Video games for us have come along way good and bad. 

All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: SWTOR, Marvel Heroes and WOT.

  Doogiehowser

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6/02/13 7:55:36 AM#82
Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac

Oh, I agree. Nothing in common whatsoever. It's not like this conversation had anything to do with the time invested into something as it coincides with the depth of joy or entertainment extracted...

I have read a lot of books which have inspired me and changed my outlook towards the world and people. That is why i disagreed with your comparison (analogy) with reading books.

As far as depth of joy and entertainment is concerned this is very subjective. For example the kind of MMO Op wants..i see no enjoyment in it. Although what i find strange is this hate towards 'casuals'..hard to make a point without back hand insults and generalizations? is it?

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Antiquated

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6/02/13 8:03:41 AM#83
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

As far as depth of joy and entertainment is concerned this is very subjective. For example the kind of MMO Op wants..i see no enjoyment in it. Although what i find strange is this hate towards 'casuals'..hard to make a point without back hand insults and generalizations? is it?

Most often we're arguing with the nebulous "Them", a kind of amalgam of "everyone who's every objected to anything I said".

Thus it's considerably more sinister, and has far more negative traits, than a real person.

Hell, in over-generalized topics like this one, maybe we all are.

  Aldous.Huxley

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6/02/13 8:09:03 AM#84
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

I have read a lot of books which have inspired me and changed my outlook towards the world and people. That is why i disagreed with your comparison.

As far as depth of joy and entertainment is concerned this is very subjective. For example the kind of MMO Op wants..i see no enjoyment in it. Although what i find strange is this hate towards 'casuals'..hard to make a point without back hand insults and generalizations? is it?

As have I, & in no way was I trying to diminish the affect books have on peoples lives. But the point I was making was from a different angle which I believe you understand now.

 

We can agree that the depth to joy ratio is subjective.  Also, please don't take my jabs at certain aspects of the MMO industry as personal insults or as hate. I don't think any of us would be here if it wasn't for our love for the hobby.

 

The reality is, this is a forum where people will say all kinds of things relating to their personal opinion. People will counter that opinion with their own. This isn't a debate that a poster can "win", as only time will tell where this will end. Now, as far as backhanded insults & generalizations... "Hello Pot, meet Kettle."

  Doogiehowser

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6/02/13 8:09:30 AM#85
Originally posted by Antiquated
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

As far as depth of joy and entertainment is concerned this is very subjective. For example the kind of MMO Op wants..i see no enjoyment in it. Although what i find strange is this hate towards 'casuals'..hard to make a point without back hand insults and generalizations? is it?

Most often we're arguing with the nebulous "Them", a kind of amalgam of "everyone who's every objected to anything I said".

Thus it's considerably more sinister, and has far more negative traits, than a real person.

Hell, in over-generalized topics like this one, maybe we all are.

I understand people want different things in life. That is how life is but i always takes offense when people try to put others down for enjoying something they don't. 

Yes you get older and you have lot more spare time to burn on any kind of hobby. Good for you..but how fair is to insult people for being 'casuals' and not wanting to spend hours upon hours every single day in virtual world?

These people make it sound as if spending more time away from computer and spending more quality time in real life is a bad thing. And i guess that is what more and more younger people are realizing and more and more games are going casual.

Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac
The reality is, this is a forum where people will say all kinds of things relating to their personal opinion. People will counter that opinion with their own. This isn't a debate that a poster can "win", as only time will tell where this will end. Now, as far as backhanded insults & generalizations... "Hello Pot, meet Kettle."

 

Please don't be shy to show me where i insulted people in this topic or generalized them? if anything i am against it and i even used sarcasm in earlier reply to make my point.

 

"The problem is that the hardcore folks always want the same thing: 'We want exactly what you gave us before, but it has to be completely different.'
-Jesse Schell

"Online gamers are the most ludicrously entitled beings since Caligula made his horse a senator, and at least the horse never said anything stupid."
-Luke McKinney

  Antiquated

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6/02/13 8:25:50 AM#86
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
Originally posted by Antiquated
Originally posted by Doogiehowser

As far as depth of joy and entertainment is concerned this is very subjective. For example the kind of MMO Op wants..i see no enjoyment in it. Although what i find strange is this hate towards 'casuals'..hard to make a point without back hand insults and generalizations? is it?

Most often we're arguing with the nebulous "Them", a kind of amalgam of "everyone who's every objected to anything I said".

Thus it's considerably more sinister, and has far more negative traits, than a real person.

Hell, in over-generalized topics like this one, maybe we all are.

I understand people want different things in life. That is how life is but i always takes offense when people try to put others down for enjoying something they don't. 

Yes you get older and you have lot more spare time to burn on any kind of hobby. Good for you..but how fair is to insult people for being 'casuals' and not wanting to spend hours upon hours every single day in virtual world?

These people make it sound as if spending more time away from computer and spending more quality time in real life is a bad thing. And i guess that is what more and more younger people are realizing and more and more games are going casual.

Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac
The reality is, this is a forum where people will say all kinds of things relating to their personal opinion. People will counter that opinion with their own. This isn't a debate that a poster can "win", as only time will tell where this will end. Now, as far as backhanded insults & generalizations... "Hello Pot, meet Kettle."

 

Please don't be shy to show me where i insulted people in this topic or generalized them? if anything i am against it and i even used sarcasm in earlier reply to make my point.

 

Sure one sentence up: These people make it sound as if (etc.)  All properties of an individual are shared by an entire (a bit nebulous) 'these people' group.

Jim likes fried chicken. All members of (group, label, race, class) must like fried chicken.

  Aldous.Huxley

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6/02/13 8:47:50 AM#87
Originally posted by Doogiehowser
 

Please don't be shy to show me where i insulted people in this topic or generalized them? if anything i am against it and i even used sarcasm in earlier reply to make my point.

 

"I want every MMO to cater to just my wishes and needs. Because obviously i am 50 years old and the whole world revolves around me."

 

"It is that time of the week again i guess...

*MMORPG's are dead and i am the only expert who knows how to bring it back*"

 

You don't have to apologize to me or anyone for doing it. These are game forums & that is what happens in them. We should all be aware of that. However, you should at least be aware that you're doing it. And if you are aware, pay the other posters the respect of not insulting their intelligence by pretending you're not.

  Gdemami

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6/02/13 9:32:23 AM#88


Originally posted by Kleptobrainiac

"I want every MMO to cater to just my wishes and needs. Because obviously i am 50 years old and the whole world revolves around me."

 

"It is that time of the week again i guess...

*MMORPG's are dead and i am the only expert who knows how to bring it back*"

 

You don't have to apologize to me or anyone for doing it. These are game forums & that is what happens in them. We should all be aware of that. However, you should at least be aware that you're doing it. And if you are aware, pay the other posters the respect of not insulting their intelligence by pretending you're not.



Someone is missing the point here...hard..

  Muke

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6/02/13 9:39:06 AM#89
Originally posted by Elikal
I'd say they are indeed dead - for us who are demanding, old fashioned gamers. They changed into cheap watered down fast food.

Apparently the money is with the player that powergrinds to max in 1 week, doesn't give sh*t about the experience+lore in the game and only wants their addiction fed with presents on a weekly basis.

today's MMOs and players client relationships are more dealer-to-addict type. :)

 

"going into arguments with idiots is a lost cause, it requires you to stoop down to their level and you can't win"

  User Deleted
6/02/13 10:08:03 AM#90

Perhaps dead is the wrong word... changed is more apt.  What you want is to bring back the old... unfortunately it is very likely that if the game you loved most of all, were released today, it would likely not be as endearing to you now as it was back then.  They've saturated the market to death.  You've played a Warrior how many times in how many games?  You've killed dragons of every size and shape in how many games?  You've earned achievements both worthless and worthwhile in how many games?  How is any game today going to really be fresh and new if you've done it some many times before?  It can't.  Which is why they need to come up with a new genre of game and let MMORPGs rest for a few years.  I don't care how creative the developers think they are or whether they actually put in the things that players always wanted... in the end, it will still fall flat for the simple reason that we've been playing them way too long.

 

Do you think you could have played Pong for 8 years straight?  Pong 2014... now with real3D!  It's still Pong no matter how you look at it.  The games will never get better... only fail to meet your expectations over and over again because, in the end, you can't go back in time and recapture the flame.  Pong faded away for the same reason MMORPGs will... something newer and better will be devised that take us away from them forever.  We'll be like... did I actually play games like WoW?  They're so lame compared to holographic gaming.

 

Let's move forward and stop trying to resurrect or keep on life support a genre that has gone it's full course.  Let it fade away with Pong so that we can get some holographic gaming going now!

  Antiquated

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6/02/13 10:15:32 AM#91
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  Axehilt

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6/02/13 10:52:09 AM#92
Originally posted by Muke

Apparently the money is with the player that powergrinds to max in 1 week, doesn't give sh*t about the experience+lore in the game and only wants their addiction fed with presents on a weekly basis.

today's MMOs and players client relationships are more dealer-to-addict type. :) 

Players are certainly content addicts.  Given the book analogies flying around this thread, it's worth pointing out book-lovers are content addicts too -- basically any form of entertainment content consumption can inevitably be likened to addiction, because it's a thing our minds intrinsically crave.

Early MMORPGs had no sense of pacing and involved some truly awful timesinks.  Modern MMORPGs are much better at pacing, even if they're still unreliable at providing high quality gameplay.

  Aelious

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6/02/13 11:01:19 AM#93
The "get money like WoW" age looks to finally be coming to a close and we have differing games on the horizon. I beleive this will help bring more players into the fold and make sure titles don't get shutdown along the way.

In retrospect you can't blame companies for what happened in the last eight years. Seeing one company make so much money was far too enticing to pass up. It's run it's course mostly however and now we get to hit the "play" button again after being on pause for so long.
  TheJoda

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6/02/13 11:02:22 AM#94
STOP paying for cash shop items!!!!

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  Aldous.Huxley

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6/02/13 11:10:16 AM#95
To me it seems that the journey has been lost in favor of the race to end game. Not that I mind quicker leveling, but the content that gets us to the end game has not evolved all that much. There have been some strides forward with dynamic leveling & events, but overall the journey has become somewhat meaningless. SWTOR made some improvements with their story implementation, but I think it ended up being overkill due to countless number of voiced quests that were inevitably forced & had little to do with anything. At times even being strange. For example why would a sith be running errands for some no name empire slug.

I just think the needle needs to be moved in a different direction than what's been put out recently.
  Battlerock

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6/02/13 11:18:27 AM#96
Everyone keeps asking. Remember this is all about money. I would enjoy alot of the things being asked for as well, but with game after game after game coming, everygame must be a quick cash grab before the next best thing comes along. The pophlation of people that own a computer that is good enough to play these games and is willing to do so is finite. You take a finite population, divide them gw2, wow, neverwinter, eve........ on and on we have saturated market with to many options. The e perience your looking for can be re attained only through an organized effort from the player base not from game devs. They are only after a quick cash grab. Your better off starting a movement where everyone plays the same game for that month or that quarter...... it sounds next to impossible but there are people out there that want those committed community driven cultures and this would be a place to find them. Heck even our very own mmorpg.com could spearhead and be the central hub. We could subscribe to mmorpg.com pay them a m9nthly fee and be given special ingame rights for whatever game we as the playeds voted on and all play. Room for lots of problems yes but with team first attitudes we can get what we want out of our gaming experience.
  Amjoco

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6/02/13 11:19:45 AM#97

The only way, imho is to get rid of all of them but a couple.  Force everyone to play one or two games and it will revive the category.  The genre is spread out so far that no one stays focused on a single game,  and then they can easily hop from game to game hating each one a little at a time.

The epic time when mmmorpgs had their shining moment was when WoW, EQ, and even UO were first released. Since then the genre has been saturated and no one stays focused.

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  simsalabim77

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6/02/13 1:39:31 PM#98
Originally posted by inporylemQQ
Originally posted by Grahor

>>MMORPGs are dead.
- Gone are the living worlds with players that logged in day after day for years on end.<<

 

And good f...g riddance.

I guess people noticed that spending their life in front of a computer is retarded.

Seems like a lot of people here didn't get the memo.

  Antiquated

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6/02/13 1:49:43 PM#99
Originally posted by Amjoco

The only way, imho is to get rid of all of them but a couple.

"To stop the cart, just shoot the horses."

The original horse is having grandponies now, but is generally considered too aged to pull his cart any more.

Time for the cranial lead injection. This plan is brilliant!

 

  Amjoco

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6/02/13 2:02:28 PM#100
Originally posted by Antiquated
Originally posted by Amjoco

The only way, imho is to get rid of all of them but a couple.

"To stop the cart, just shoot the horses."

The original horse is having grandponies now, but is generally considered too aged to pull his cart any more.

Time for the cranial lead injection. This plan is brilliant!

 

Ya, and the grandponies are all inbred with deformed chromosomes. lol

I have always wondered what would happen if Blizzard activated about 10 Vanilla servers and gave them f2p/cashshop setups. 

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