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  Arglebargle

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5/29/13 5:20:19 AM#101

Sorry, Suzie, but not playing Skyrim because of the UI is ...  well it's understandable one way, but it's crazy another.  Everyone knows that Bethesda's UIs are awful garbage, and that modders have to go in and fix it (and countless other screw ups).   It's the nature of the beast. 

 

It's why many folks wait a while to get their copy, or even wait for the GOTY.   At that point the major flaws will be fixed, and you'll have different designs to choose from .

 

Sadly, I think the online version will suffer from it's Dark Age of Elder Scrolls parentage, probably rejected by both sides of the family.   But the addition of first person and other similar moves show that they aren't completely working in a vacuum.    Sadly, if they screw ESO up, modders probably won't be able to fix it.....

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

  SavageHorizon

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5/29/13 5:21:57 AM#102
Originally posted by keithian
Originally posted by SavageHorizon
Originally posted by keithian
Thanks for the impression. [mod edit]

I for one love that the game seems to be a lot more interactive compared to other recently released MMOs and I like the fact that they aren't heavily going with cutscenes. I also like that the character customization seems to be very detailed from what I read. I also like the fact that the difficulty seems a little harder and that quests feel like quests. All good signs to me.

Difficulty harder than what mmo? I never played it yet. I'm just saying its a good sign that someone wrote that it isn't too easy because in other MMOs in beta, the too easy route is always more concerning to me than too hard. Its just my opinion in hopes that this MMO is challenging even at the beginning levels. I'm hoping that others who play will say similar things and I will feel that way when I play.

That's right, you haven't played it so it's just like you said, your opinion but you didn't actually say it was your opinion, you said "i like the fact" which is not the same as having an opinion. There is no proof or evidence that the game is more difficult than other mmo's.

Quest feel like quests compared to what mmo? In games like WildStar, more than one previewer wrote that there is a lot of generic fetch X Deliver Y quests (or maybe that was from leaked beta articles, I forget). I'm not going to bother posting sources because you should know how to google. I have more confidence in ESO that the quests will have more depth (even for fetch quests) than rip off games like Wildstar which appear to deliver nothing new (though I'll try it to see if I'm hopefully wrong). Similar games like the other game they made called Aion (heard of it?), the PVE questing had zero depth. I couldn't take it past level 20 without yawning every time I logged in. I don't have the same concern with ESO's quest style. GW2, though to me a good game, also didn't feel very in depth with the questing. The personal story seemed very much made for children. Seeing a pattern here? NCSOFT=No Story Depth.  They suck at story for the 2 games of theirs I have tried.  ESO has the potential for more depth IMO. 

I also realize story doesn't make a game, but I have cautious optimism that ESO will be a lot more than story and lore.

Again you have no proof or evidence that quest in eso feel like quest compared to other mmo's, you are going on what you have heard. 

A lot more interactive compared to what mmo? Like just about every themepark out right now? Do I need to make a list for you? ESO is trying to make the environment a little more interactive knowing it can't be as interactive as Skyrim (which is single player), but more then games like GW2, TOR, Rift, Aion, etc where everything is painted but you can touch anything. Do a little research as I shouldn't have to explain what this means.

I'll repeat it again, how is eso a lot more interactive than other mmo's and yes if you are going to make such claims then you should be able to tell us or me how you come to this conclusion, have you played the game?

But it still has cut scenes lol. My point is that the whole game won't be cut scenes like TOR.

Cut scenes are cut scenes, the game has them or it doesn't, that's a silly claim to fame and journalist hype that unfortunately you have fell for.

You do know that GW2 and SWTOR are not the only mmo's released over the last two years, right? Yes, I am aware, I have tried several games, whats you point?

Point is you are making the claim against other mmo's, that would put every mmo into the fray.

If these are the things that make you put your cash on the table then the mmo community have no hope. Must you be insulting just because someone posted their opinion of something they read?

Well you didn't actually say it was your opinion, you said "i like the fact" fact is not opinion.

I not putting the game down but these things are hardly claims to fame Yes, you are, in just about every post. 

No i'm not putting the game down, i'm just not prepared to fall for dev hype or journalist hype. How many other mmo's have you claim are all these things, GW2, SWTOR ? You will be one of the first bto complain when you realize the game is not quite what it says on the box and move on to the next new shiny.

It's the same dribble we heard about swtor, these very same people gave swtor glowing reviews, right? So now any game you don't support to the end of time will be compared with SWTOR if it gets positive feedback? Sounds kinda monotonous to me and pretty illogical.

Read the above yellow.

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My response is in yellow.

Hype is the killer.

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  Betaguy

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5/29/13 6:36:06 AM#103
Originally posted by Bladestrom
You know if a new music album was comming out soon, you wouldn't be 'skeptical' about it, you would either fancy it and eagerly wait for it, or simply wait and look it up when it comes out. Being so pointlessly negative in a meaningless forum about a game you have not played is rather weird, it's a bit like standing in a queue to see a film and moaning out aloud for everyone to hear that 'this film is crap I'm not going to enjoy it'

 I agree buddy

  ShakyMo

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5/29/13 6:45:29 AM#104
Well more than that, its like bitching about the album before hearing it, hoping they will bash out a whole new set of tracks in a couple of weeks.
  Mors.Magne

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5/29/13 6:46:39 AM#105

As long as people never pre-order a game, they will be fine.

Pre-ordering encourages people to lie about a game before it's released.

  ShakyMo

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5/29/13 7:00:55 AM#106
Vorth

Nope, you've still not explained how you are FORCED to pvp.

I've not seen any statements from zos about npc guards that frog march you down to cyrodil.

What they are making is a game with equal focus on playstyles where no one is forced to do any. This is verified for instance with zos statements like pve / pvp / craft gear will be EQUAL in quality.

Now hypotheticaly, if say I had an agenda to at the last minute change TESO into some wow style raiders first, screw everyone else game, I could se the advantage of using emotive phrases like "forced pvp"
  wordiz

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5/29/13 7:12:32 AM#107
Is Daggerfall the fabric of our lives? (Sorry. I had to.)

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  AtmaDarkwolf

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5/29/13 7:15:24 AM#108
Originally posted by Gravarg

I'll never understand how people say TES games are heavy PvP games...last time I checked in Skyrim there was ZERO ZERO ZERO ZERO, zero incase you didn't catch it, PvP...So if TES games are supposed to be PvP heavy, then Skyrim wasn't a TES game either...In fact, I personally think of all the TES games as PvE games.  The sooner people figure that out, the better off we'll all be.

 

I'm still on the fence, as with any game I haven't played myself, but I look forward to trying it out and making my own opinion.  There's only one opinion that matters to me, and that's mine :)

 
 
Edit: Just to clarify, I can see how having all the factions and people in different factions lends itself to a PvP game, however to say an IP that has very little to do with PvP should go all out PvP is just wrong imho.  Here's a list you should take note of:
 
The Elder Scrolls: Arena - No PvP
Daggerfall - No PvP
Morrowind - No PvP
Oblivion - No PvP
Skyrim - No PvP
 
...just sayin' 

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  Mardukk

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5/29/13 8:59:08 AM#109
I just hope the game isn't a linear quest hub grind.
  Betaguy

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5/29/13 9:02:40 AM#110
Nice write up, thanks. I can't wait to give this title a spin.

  Betaguy

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5/29/13 9:03:49 AM#111
Originally posted by Mardukk
I just hope the game isn't a linear quest hub grind.

 This I can guarantee it is not. You can go anywhere and do quests throughout the world without hand holding. I assure you sleep well. ;)

  Sovrath

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5/29/13 9:59:22 AM#112
[mod edit]

 

Actually, some people do have experience with the game. there are the PAX previews as well as the current closed beta.

 

  SavageHorizon

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5/29/13 10:00:44 AM#113
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  ShakyMo

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5/29/13 12:10:50 PM#114
How are carbine "more open with the player base"

They declared Wildstar a sandpark ffs. When its basicly the same old wow setup + instanced housing.
  Panzerbase

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5/29/13 12:27:00 PM#115
Just about any hardcore ESO would be better suited to give us an accurate assessment than this amateur, I mean really you people can't hire dedicated gamers? I thought I was reading an article written by a child. 
  Wolfhammer

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Bleh!

5/29/13 12:30:28 PM#116
Originally posted by bubaluba
Game looks awesome. I can't  see any other fantasy mmo to be competitive with TESO. Nice job Suzie, do not listen to haters, who cares what they write anyway.

I'm with this guy....  Can't wait to get my hands on this game.

Only thing that could put me off this game is if the business model is FTP + cash shop

Sub please!!!!

  drivendawn

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5/29/13 12:52:26 PM#117
Originally posted by Wolfhammer
Originally posted by bubaluba
Game looks awesome. I can't  see any other fantasy mmo to be competitive with TESO. Nice job Suzie, do not listen to haters, who cares what they write anyway.

I'm with this guy....  Can't wait to get my hands on this game.

Only thing that could put me off this game is if the business model is FTP + cash shop

Sub please!!!!

I'm with you guys. The only other one I'm looking forward to is FFXIV ARR.

  SavageHorizon

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5/29/13 1:02:38 PM#118
Originally posted by ShakyMo
How are carbine "more open with the player base"

They declared Wildstar a sandpark ffs. When its basicly the same old wow setup + instanced housing.

Remember before you jump on the bandwagon, i haven't declared Wildstar the best mmo for quests and interaction and all the things you have declare ESO to be, let's not dwell on something i have not said, nice try though.

As for Carbine being more open, well you only have to look at the times the devs have been on this site with live q&a and answering players question plus in game vids.

So just so we are clear i've only ever posted in one wildstar thread and i didn't declare them to have all the best quests and interaction and the other features that you reckon ESO has the best of.

So nice try getting away from what we are actually talking about, i'm a bit smarter than to fall for a decoy.

Back to your claims about ESO, now we have sorted that little blip out.

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  keithian

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5/29/13 5:40:04 PM#119
Savage the only thing I will agree with you up until this point is that I don't like that Zenimax has taken the SWTOR approach to marketing. I don't want to see trailers, previews, etc. I want actual gameplay videos. However, knowing that, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will have the same end result as SWTOR. They may. They may not. Ill be one of the first to criticize this game if it isn't a fun experience. 

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  jbombard

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5/29/13 8:24:16 PM#120
Originally posted by keithian
Savage the only thing I will agree with you up until this point is that I don't like that Zenimax has taken the SWTOR approach to marketing. I don't want to see trailers, previews, etc. I want actual gameplay videos. However, knowing that, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will have the same end result as SWTOR. They may. They may not. Ill be one of the first to criticize this game if it isn't a fun experience. 

Contrary to popular belief, SWTOR had an awesome release.  What killed them was not the game that shipped, it was their failure to follow up on the game that shipped by providing fixes and value in the form of new content to their players in a timely manner.  Their first month sales were higher than any other previous MMO or MMO expansion.

 

I'm pretty sure ESO would be pleased if they could sell 2 million copies in the first month.  

 

Also I agree that it would have been nice if Suzie would have put in more than an hour into Skyrim as Skyrim is a huge game.  Frankly it would be like comparing a game to WoW when you have only played the starting area in WoW.  Now really I would love it if she had actually played Daggerfall, as all of the different lands in ES kind of have their own feel.  But you kind of have to use your imagination a lot with Daggerfall graphics.  But saying it feels like Daggerfall based on Skyrim, is like going to Italy and saying it feels like England having only gone to America.

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