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Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn

Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn 

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  danwest58

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5/27/13 9:53:09 AM#81

I agree too much negativity in this thread.  Here is the truth of the matter when it comes to MMOs and Final Fantasy XIV ARR.

 

First Final Fantasy XIV is trying to be an true MMO in the sense that grouping is the fastest way to level as well as the more enjoyable way to level.  Soloing is slower and feels more grindy than other MMOs.  FFXIV goes back to the roots of MMOs were people grouping up for content is preferable over soloing.  In this sense FFXIV will be one of the best MMOs this year and well worth a try.  The game on PC is $30 and if you only want 1 character which you can level all classes on and be all jobs on you can pay $12.99 a month per month without having to pay for 6 months.  This is one of the Cheaper P2P MMOs as well this year.

Yes the instances and raids do ramp up in difficulty to the point the hardcore players will be happy and after the hardcore players have no hard content the difficulty for the raids will be dropped for casuals to be able to play.  The game is not a 2 or 3 month rush and clear end game.  The game itself when it comes to leveling AS WELL AS raiding is a process.  It is not just a roller coaster which people get on over and over again.  This build reminds me of the days of UO, EQ1/2 and WOW in the fact of all aspects of the game is a process.  You dont reach your goals over night or in a week.  You work with others to achieve these goals over time.  

There are some people who will not like this game.  So be it.  If the game is for you great if not o well its not like there is not 50+ other MMOs out there that really are meh games.  I will be honest I think this game is worth giving the game a good honest 60 to 90 day run for people.

My feels like the negative side of FFXIV is more based around 24 man raids.  I think that 24 man is too large however its possible that they might make the raids 8 and 16 man as well.  This is why I think Wild star will fail because 20 and 40 man raid days are long gone.  You will not get more than a dozen guilds per server at best that will do the content in anything 20 man or above.  The writing is on the wall with WOW, RIFT, SWTOR, EQ2 all these games only a small portion of its population does the large raids.  One only has to look at the market of what these games are doing and see that 20+ is too much to ask of people today and you can logically concluded that the glory days of large raids are over.  The most populated game has 92% of all raiding guilds only doing 10 man raiding, and there is a huge outcry for 10 man LFR because of the current LFR is 25 man and people hate it.  Anyways the large group fans can say otherwise however they cannot produce real information that there is a game where 2/3 of all raiding in the game is 20 man raiding.  

 

Back to FFXIV People can sit and talk negatively about any game however the fact is some people will like 1 game over another.  You either like it or you do and you will not know until you give the game a good 60 to 90 days.  Example I thought I liked Rift twice.  However when I got to end game both times I didnt care for the gear grind.  I didnt see that until 60 to 90 days into the game twice.  Leveling was fun as hell I felt however after that not so fun.  Giving a game 2 to 3 moths of play time will give you more than what most people do.  I played X game for 30 minutes it sucks.  

  redcloud16

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Joined: 1/08/11
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There is no chance unless you take one.

5/27/13 10:26:17 AM#82

How about you read the thread before spouting drivel?

People have suggested around 400-600k players, How much more then that do you actually think ARR will get, christ anything under 1 mill is negligible.

Stop telling people what they are expecting, People are answering a looser who expects this game to get moe then 10% of WoWs subs if not more then 100% of WoWs subs.

 

The Five G's, honey.

Good God Get a Grip, Girl.

No need to be so antagonistic. 

 

I never used a single number, thank you very much. If you actually read anything I said before just deciding to be mean for no reason, you'd see that I said it's trying to get zero percent of WOW's subs.

 

I don't care how many numbers it gets as long as the game can continue as intended. 

I personally feel that it is going to do better than people are expecting, but if you read my post at all you'd have also read the words "not anything in the millions." Goodness

 

  Kyleran

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5/27/13 10:41:19 AM#83
Originally posted by mastersomrat
It seems like someone always states the "going to be better than WoW", fad.  Thing is, if WoW released for the first time today (vanilla or current), it would be going FTP within months.  Don't get me wrong, WoW was an ok MMO in it's day but then again, their were only a hand full of mmo's to choose from.

A common, but inaccurate myth usually used to justify why WOW was an exception and could never succeed like it did today. 

Off the top of my head I recall there being UO, AC1, AC2, SWG, EVE, Lineage 1, Lineage 2, AO, Shadowbane, Runescape,  EQ1, EQ2, and perhaps GW1.  I'm sure I've forgotten just as many.  Oh yeah, FFXI, that too.

So there were about  20 major  MMORPG's on the market and WOW came along and crushed them all.

I know there's literally 100's of MMO's now, but most of them are shiess and hardly serious competition to anyone.

While I'm a skeptic, once a bit more info is available I'll be taking a look to see if this title offers anything really different besides the typical level/gear grind game play so prevalent now.

Just not going to hold my breath.

 

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  Mothanos

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Joined: 10/20/10
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5/27/13 11:10:52 AM#84

Kyleron is spot on.
What i like to add is:

The bigger WoW got......the more it stepped away from initial mmo design.

We had great Faction vs faction pvp - then cross realm battlegrounds ruined that feeling.
We had great server community's on old hardware wich made raidinga nightmare - free migration and a whole cummunity was gone.

Dungeon finder took away all the social aspect
Raid finder detroyed most raiding guilds

Payed server transer for tha chingching
Payed faction transfer for tha chingching


Just to name a few things that Blizzard deemed needed to make more profit on their already insanly growing subscriptions.

FF doesnt need 12 million people to be E P I C
I just hope that SE manage to give me (us) (you) that same feeling when i played their games when i was a young gentleman.
Where you coulnt stop playing and just wanted to know how the story went on and on and on.

I realy hope SE manages to give that feeling back that Final Fantasy is renowned for.

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  Ayulin

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Joined: 3/30/13
Posts: 344

5/27/13 11:50:07 AM#85
Originally posted by Arcticnoon

Mark my words. FFXIV ARR will be the greatest mmo since vanilla WoW. Consider my reasons for this claim. Unlike any other mmo, FFXIV will be released world wide Aug.27  on both PC and PS3. With over 70 million PS3 units sold imagine how many people walking into walmart or gamestop looking for a roleplaying game will be attracted to this title. FFXI at its peak had 500k members and it was predominantly on PS2. Even if only 1% of all PS3 owners buy FFXIV thats over 700k subscribers on console alone. Know that FFXIV will also be released on PS4. We all know how cautious we can be when buying first gen games for new consoles. Imagine how comforting the Final Fantasy name will be to people looking for games in that genre. Then there all the FFXI and FFXIV 1.0 people who will want to give ARR a try. Plus how many WoW and GW2 players arent really that happy with the current state of their gaming. 

Sounds great, but it's all conjecture and from-thin-air numbers. You're also not doing ARR any favors by posting this kind of stuff. This is what you would call extreme hype, which tends to come back to bite MMOs in the ass. Emote all you want about how excited you are personally about the game, but let's keep the unfounded sky-high claims under control, yeah?

For new players playing their very first mmo ARR has a VERY friendly learning curve. Veteran players have even complained that it was too easy. However it has been confirmed that as you progress towards endgame the games challenges become more daunting. To the point of having to quit ones job in order to devote all of ones time to the game just to "first achieve" the games endgame rewards. There is also the ability to progress smoothly in game through both solo and group play.

Err.. what? Care to provide an official source for that? I remember Yoshi-P stating that end game content will become very challenging, but he's never come anywhere near such claims as yours. Also, some people would consider the idea of 'having to quit your job to achieve something' as a major negative. Again, please govern your remarks more carefully. You could do more harm for the game than good.

It is commonly known that 1.0 had one of the deepest crafting systems in all mmos. This will be retained in 2.0, plus a crafting driven economy. Add a combination of 16 classes and jobs to choose from at release. Along with 18+ dungeons that range from easy to extremely hard. Player housing. Deep storylines.A beautiful soundtrack and the best graphics of any mmo to date. Plus  one can really become attached to whatever character you create because one toon can be any and every job. So goodbye Alts.

Some fair enough statements, mixed with conjecture and personal opinion.

Then theres the attraction for the ladies. In-game marriage. Ceremony and everything.(yes wedding gowns) Being able to dress up ones mount in various outfits. Minions or pets that walk along beside you. And man some of these are pretty impressive. Yes I know these can be found in several mmos, but none of them look as good as these. Imagine a hand clad in a mickey mouse glove that follows you pointing at stuff. Then theres the outfits. Anything from full body armor, to dresses with purses filled flowers, to bikinis. Finally the ability to craft items for your house. Anything from wallpaper to roofing. And the ability to mount the heads of monsters you've slain over your fireplace to show off for you guest.

-scratching head- So marriage is only the domain of women, eh? Funny, I knew plenty of male players in XI and other MMOs that were eager to marry in-game. Many times they were real life couples looking to bring a bit of their RL selves to their in-game selves.  As far as pets looking great... fair enough, but again you're making subjective claims as fact. Bad move.

The idea of changing the appearance of your house with all those things (and more) is not at all new or unique to ARR. EQ2 has had an amazingly robust and flexible housing decoration system for years now. It's nice that ARR will have it as well, but again... you're overstating it.

All of these things and many more have me convinced that this will be the greatest mmo in years and possibly for years to come.

If it's the greatest for you, then that's great! Just remember you only speak for yourself and you're golden.

Gotta respond to this. Look, I played 1.0, all the way up to  its finale/conclusion. They made some great strides with the game and, while I have some major reservations about ARR's direction, it's unarguably a gargantuan improvement over what 1.x was.

However... in response to your post, all I can say is Holy Hallucinatory Hyperbole, Batman.

My responses are in-between your paragraph.

  Ayulin

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Joined: 3/30/13
Posts: 344

5/27/13 12:47:15 PM#86
Originally posted by Wizardry

FFXIV was not that bad,it was actually still far superior to many products out there.it was more a case of players not getting what they wanted and because Square admitted fault,everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

it released with a few bugs,not like every other game doesn't have the bugs and glitches..Does that make it right,no of course not,do other devs admit fault,you can bet they won't.

Wow.

Look, I admire what SE did with XIV as well, but your depiction of it there is some of the worst revisionist spin I've ever seen. It's flat out lying in fact.

FFXIV had tons of issues at launch, all of which have been well discussed and described, and admitted by SE themselves. They didn't rebuild the engine from the ground up because "it was just a few bugs". There were tons of problems and limitations inherent in the technology that prevented them from implementing things properly, or at all. This is known and documented. There were game design choices that sounded great in concept, but went over like a wet sack of bricks when players got their hands on them.

They didn't rebuild a brand-new server infrastructure because the original "only had a few bugs". They've rebuilt it because the original server structure was completely inadequate for a MMORPG, and resulted in myriad issues with the game, which were addressed via band-aids, not actual fixes. This is known and documented.

They didn't rebuild the entire world from the ground up because there were just "some issues" with it before. The entire world was horribly copied and pasted with vast miles of repetitive and uninspired landscape. They couldn't do more with it due to the technical limitations and issues listed above, in addition to the way they chose to build the world. This is known and documented.

They didn't completely restructure the entire development/design team because of "a few bugs".

And on and on.

SE did not take the game down, apologize multiple times for it, give everyone a year+ of gameplay without a sub and dedicate a ton more money and resources to completely rebuildng 90% of the game from the ground up "because of a few bugs". That you could even suggest that and expect to be taken seriously boggles the mind.

They did all that because FFXIV 1.0 was screwed upon launch and was beyond fixing in its current incarnation. Again, this is known and documented.

People reacted to the mess the game was. SE recognized the issues, realized the outrage was legit and responded to it. No one "hopped on any bandwagons". 

Stop rewriting history, Wizardry. It's the easiest thing in the world for people to go out, do their own research and see what really happened for themselves. Not to mention many of us were actually there for 1.0's Beta and Release and saw it happen in real time.

  Netspook

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5/27/13 1:18:04 PM#87

I'm assuming the NDA has not yet been lifted (except for the starting area), so I won't get into much detail.

But:

Those of you who expect ARR to be the second coming of MMOs, haven't played the beta, and have no idea what you're talking about.

IMO, the starter area is probably the most boring one I've ever played (though the best looking). I'd be happy to provide opinions about other areas too, when the NDA is lifted, but for now just let me offer one more:

This game will NEVER be a great success, that's just not going to happen.

  Tyvolus4

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5/27/13 1:28:13 PM#88
Originally posted by mcrippins
Originally posted by Arcticnoon

@Reserton

10% of what WoW HAS in numbers?! WoW had 11 mil at their peak. The have lost millions of those. I have heard numbers up to 8+ million subscribers lost. So at best WoW has maybe 7 million subs now. 10% would be 700k. [mod edit]

Pretty sure you heard down TO 8 million subscribers. The simple fact that WoW has maintained that many subscribers for this length of time is astounding. 

 true, but you are talking like a gamer.  Blizz is a publicly traded company, their shareholders aren't impressed with losing all those subs in 1Q.  further, there is nothing on the immediate horizon that looks to stem the losses for wow, or a even a new MMO...oh, ya, titan....we been hearing about that for what 5 years now ?  no one even knows wtf it is, other than some cutesy codename. 

  Snowdon_Cloudripper

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5/27/13 1:32:26 PM#89
One thing I have to say . Final Fantasy XIV V1.xx is dead gone buried never to see the light of day ever again. People need to move on from it . SE took the game and remade it how it should have been. Most people who are commenting here are doing so with only the lingering FFXIV V1 info there used to . Info that is 2 years past. Most say they have no interest in 2.0 and then comment with V1.xx info witch is really inaccurate . 2.0 or A Realm Reborn is a totally new game . Sure the story and plot points are the same but the over all feel , look and action is nothing like 1.0 nothing . This game is a masterpiece of visual artistry and a deep story. You can play as every class/job on one Avatar so you do not need alts at all . There are 3 main city stories at launch . PvP arena style and Grand Company PvP  . No open world PvP because as Yoshi said it just doesn't fit that way in Final Fantasy. The economy is player based . Every item can be crafted and sold on the market . There are NO micro-transactions . ( as far as we know none have been mentioned ) For the people out there who want to stay ignorant by talking about V1 I would ask you to educate yourselves just a little bit . This is Final Fantasy A Realm Reborn YouTube video Channel every piece of video info can be found here including the Live Letters from the Producer and small tour videos along with gamepad video and much much more . http://www.youtube.com/feed/UCpx2BZg8ABgaDV50sGJtWAg So again educate yourself about the NEW game because brining up the old one that is no longer in service is a moot argument to make . And is irrelevant to the discussion . On a side note I admire SE for knowing they put out a poor product and said we will remake it . And they did just that and then some. I doubt any other game company would do that today . Let alone admit there game was garbage . And because of that we now have 2.0 witch is shaping up extremely well . And it is opening people eyes

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5/27/13 1:38:44 PM#90
Originally posted by Netspook

I'm assuming the NDA has not yet been lifted (except for the starting area), so I won't get into much detail.

But:

Those of you who expect ARR to be the second coming of MMOs, haven't played the beta, and have no idea what you're talking about.

IMO, the starter area is probably the most boring one I've ever played (though the best looking). I'd be happy to provide opinions about other areas too, when the NDA is lifted, but for now just let me offer one more:

This game will NEVER be a great success, that's just not going to happen.

I like how you left out the other 2 starting areas because there is more then just one. In beta phase 1 and 2 and Alpha all we were testing was Gridnia . Pahe 3 all cities are open so your starting area will be Ul'Dah , Limsa , or Gridina depending on what you want to start your class as . You want to be a Marauder you will start in Limsa. You want to be a  Pugilist you ill start in Ul'Dah you want to be a archer you will start in Gridina . This is not like TERA where everyone gets dumped in one area no matter the job/class you are. Your job dictates where you start . So saying Gridina is boring I agree but it is because we have tested only that area for 6 months . In a week or two we test all city areas  

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5/27/13 2:04:30 PM#91
Originally posted by Inigo_Montoya
Originally posted by Netspook

I'm assuming the NDA has not yet been lifted (except for the starting area), so I won't get into much detail.

But:

Those of you who expect ARR to be the second coming of MMOs, haven't played the beta, and have no idea what you're talking about.

IMO, the starter area is probably the most boring one I've ever played (though the best looking). I'd be happy to provide opinions about other areas too, when the NDA is lifted, but for now just let me offer one more:

This game will NEVER be a great success, that's just not going to happen.

I like how you left out the other 2 starting areas because there is more then just one. In beta phase 1 and 2 and Alpha all we were testing was Gridnia . Pahe 3 all cities are open so your starting area will be Ul'Dah , Limsa , or Gridina depending on what you want to start your class as . You want to be a Marauder you will start in Limsa. You want to be a  Pugilist you ill start in Ul'Dah you want to be a archer you will start in Gridina . This is not like TERA where everyone gets dumped in one area no matter the job/class you are. Your job dictates where you start . So saying Gridina is boring I agree but it is because we have tested only that area for 6 months . In a week or two we test all city areas  

 

I wasn't leaving anything out, I was assuming anyone who have the slightest idea about this game already knew.

  makasouleater69

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5/27/13 2:10:10 PM#92
Well I seriously seriously seriously doubt this is gonna get any where near what wow was. Not even close. I played the first one and it was trash. The only people are gonna stick to this mmo, are ps3 owners, that have no computer. Yeah you can remake a game and fix all the problems, and try to re sell it. But.... no ones pulled that one off successfully yet. And the ps3 is on its way out, and the people will get a ps4, and if it doesnt come out on ps4. Well then its gonna fail even harder. The simple fact that its 30 bucks, and then 12.99 a month is gonna make it fail. When you have titles like aion, rift, neverwinter, ddo, ect ect ect. That are all free to play. Its just not going to work. Not to mention the fact that they just over looked completely apparently. Ps3 owners are not used to or willing to pay a monthly payment to play a online game. It just anit gonna happen, so your prediction is way way way way way off. I wont even buy it due to the fact they sold me a terrible trash game and charged me 49.99 for it. And it was the stupidest mmo I have ever played. I had more fun buggy broken vanguard, then the trash that this game was when it first came out. So for them to try and remake their trash, and try to re sell it to me HA, you jest. I dont know about other people, but thats like saying you buy a car from a dealer and he sells you a junker, and told you it was the greatest. Then you go back to him and be like yeah sell me another one HELL YEAH!!!! BEND ME OVER I CAN TAKE IT. So yeah you failed on this game being the grand daddy of the new mmos coming out. Wild Star, acheage, elder scrolls online, and eq next all have a much much much much much much better chance to become the mmo you speak of. But even those games are unlikely to get every one away from thier current mmos. Not to many  people want to leave behind years or months of work, to go give a new mmo a try. Especially one thats gonna cost them 30 bucks, and 12.99 a month. FAIL FAIL AND MORE FAIL. The terrible release of dragon prophet has a better chance to be more popular then this game.  
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5/27/13 4:41:31 PM#93
Originally posted by makasouleater69
Well I seriously seriously seriously doubt this is gonna get any where near what wow was. Not even close. I played the first one and it was trash. The only people are gonna stick to this mmo, are ps3 owners, that have no computer. Yeah you can remake a game and fix all the problems, and try to re sell it. But.... no ones pulled that one off successfully yet. And the ps3 is on its way out, and the people will get a ps4, and if it doesnt come out on ps4. Well then its gonna fail even harder. The simple fact that its 30 bucks, and then 12.99 a month is gonna make it fail. When you have titles like aion, rift, neverwinter, ddo, ect ect ect. That are all free to play. Its just not going to work. Not to mention the fact that they just over looked completely apparently. Ps3 owners are not used to or willing to pay a monthly payment to play a online game. It just anit gonna happen, so your prediction is way way way way way off. I wont even buy it due to the fact they sold me a terrible trash game and charged me 49.99 for it. And it was the stupidest mmo I have ever played. I had more fun buggy broken vanguard, then the trash that this game was when it first came out. So for them to try and remake their trash, and try to re sell it to me HA, you jest. I dont know about other people, but thats like saying you buy a car from a dealer and he sells you a junker, and told you it was the greatest. Then you go back to him and be like yeah sell me another one HELL YEAH!!!! BEND ME OVER I CAN TAKE IT. So yeah you failed on this game being the grand daddy of the new mmos coming out. Wild Star, acheage, elder scrolls online, and eq next all have a much much much much much much better chance to become the mmo you speak of. But even those games are unlikely to get every one away from thier current mmos. Not to many  people want to leave behind years or months of work, to go give a new mmo a try. Especially one thats gonna cost them 30 bucks, and 12.99 a month. FAIL FAIL AND MORE FAIL. The terrible release of dragon prophet has a better chance to be more popular then this game.  
Well... I'll give ya this... you've got a lot of passion you. Your post is a meandering run-on mess of hyperbole, conjecture and misinformation... but damn you're passionate about it.
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5/27/13 4:48:20 PM#94
Originally posted by makasouleater69
Well I seriously seriously seriously doubt this is gonna get any where near what wow was. Not even close. I played the first one and it was trash. The only people are gonna stick to this mmo, are ps3 owners, that have no computer. Yeah you can remake a game and fix all the problems, and try to re sell it. But.... no ones pulled that one off successfully yet. And the ps3 is on its way out, and the people will get a ps4, and if it doesnt come out on ps4. Well then its gonna fail even harder. The simple fact that its 30 bucks, and then 12.99 a month is gonna make it fail. When you have titles like aion, rift, neverwinter, ddo, ect ect ect. That are all free to play. Its just not going to work. Not to mention the fact that they just over looked completely apparently. Ps3 owners are not used to or willing to pay a monthly payment to play a online game. It just anit gonna happen, so your prediction is way way way way way off. I wont even buy it due to the fact they sold me a terrible trash game and charged me 49.99 for it. And it was the stupidest mmo I have ever played. I had more fun buggy broken vanguard, then the trash that this game was when it first came out. So for them to try and remake their trash, and try to re sell it to me HA, you jest. I dont know about other people, but thats like saying you buy a car from a dealer and he sells you a junker, and told you it was the greatest. Then you go back to him and be like yeah sell me another one HELL YEAH!!!! BEND ME OVER I CAN TAKE IT. So yeah you failed on this game being the grand daddy of the new mmos coming out. Wild Star, acheage, elder scrolls online, and eq next all have a much much much much much much better chance to become the mmo you speak of. But even those games are unlikely to get every one away from thier current mmos. Not to many  people want to leave behind years or months of work, to go give a new mmo a try. Especially one thats gonna cost them 30 bucks, and 12.99 a month. FAIL FAIL AND MORE FAIL. The terrible release of dragon prophet has a better chance to be more popular then this game.  

Final Fantasy 11 already proved you wrong on the PS2 and 360 and its one of the longest running mmos that still havent gone f2p.  The hate is strong in this one

  Aldous.Huxley

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5/27/13 4:53:20 PM#95
Final Fantasy XI was the first MMO.
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5/27/13 5:04:58 PM#96
Originally posted by Ayulin
Originally posted by Wizardry

FFXIV was not that bad,it was actually still far superior to many products out there.it was more a case of players not getting what they wanted and because Square admitted fault,everyone jumped on the bandwagon.

it released with a few bugs,not like every other game doesn't have the bugs and glitches..Does that make it right,no of course not,do other devs admit fault,you can bet they won't.

Wow.

Look, I admire what SE did with XIV as well, but your depiction of it there is some of the worst revisionist spin I've ever seen. It's flat out lying in fact.

FFXIV had tons of issues at launch, all of which have been well discussed and described, and admitted by SE themselves. They didn't rebuild the engine from the ground up because "it was just a few bugs". There were tons of problems and limitations inherent in the technology that prevented them from implementing things properly, or at all. This is known and documented. There were game design choices that sounded great in concept, but went over like a wet sack of bricks when players got their hands on them.

They didn't rebuild a brand-new server infrastructure because the original "only had a few bugs". They've rebuilt it because the original server structure was completely inadequate for a MMORPG, and resulted in myriad issues with the game, which were addressed via band-aids, not actual fixes. This is known and documented.

They didn't rebuild the entire world from the ground up because there were just "some issues" with it before. The entire world was horribly copied and pasted with vast miles of repetitive and uninspired landscape. They couldn't do more with it due to the technical limitations and issues listed above, in addition to the way they chose to build the world. This is known and documented.

They didn't completely restructure the entire development/design team because of "a few bugs".

And on and on.

SE did not take the game down, apologize multiple times for it, give everyone a year+ of gameplay without a sub and dedicate a ton more money and resources to completely rebuildng 90% of the game from the ground up "because of a few bugs". That you could even suggest that and expect to be taken seriously boggles the mind.

They did all that because FFXIV 1.0 was screwed upon launch and was beyond fixing in its current incarnation. Again, this is known and documented.

People reacted to the mess the game was. SE recognized the issues, realized the outrage was legit and responded to it. No one "hopped on any bandwagons". 

Stop rewriting history, Wizardry. It's the easiest thing in the world for people to go out, do their own research and see what really happened for themselves. Not to mention many of us were actually there for 1.0's Beta and Release and saw it happen in real time.

 

Absolute best post in the entire thread.

  makasouleater69

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5/27/13 5:56:52 PM#97
Originally posted by Ayulin
Originally posted by makasouleater69
Well I seriously seriously seriously doubt this is gonna get any where near what wow was. Not even close. I played the first one and it was trash. The only people are gonna stick to this mmo, are ps3 owners, that have no computer. Yeah you can remake a game and fix all the problems, and try to re sell it. But.... no ones pulled that one off successfully yet. And the ps3 is on its way out, and the people will get a ps4, and if it doesnt come out on ps4. Well then its gonna fail even harder. The simple fact that its 30 bucks, and then 12.99 a month is gonna make it fail. When you have titles like aion, rift, neverwinter, ddo, ect ect ect. That are all free to play. Its just not going to work. Not to mention the fact that they just over looked completely apparently. Ps3 owners are not used to or willing to pay a monthly payment to play a online game. It just anit gonna happen, so your prediction is way way way way way off. I wont even buy it due to the fact they sold me a terrible trash game and charged me 49.99 for it. And it was the stupidest mmo I have ever played. I had more fun buggy broken vanguard, then the trash that this game was when it first came out. So for them to try and remake their trash, and try to re sell it to me HA, you jest. I dont know about other people, but thats like saying you buy a car from a dealer and he sells you a junker, and told you it was the greatest. Then you go back to him and be like yeah sell me another one HELL YEAH!!!! BEND ME OVER I CAN TAKE IT. So yeah you failed on this game being the grand daddy of the new mmos coming out. Wild Star, acheage, elder scrolls online, and eq next all have a much much much much much much better chance to become the mmo you speak of. But even those games are unlikely to get every one away from thier current mmos. Not to many  people want to leave behind years or months of work, to go give a new mmo a try. Especially one thats gonna cost them 30 bucks, and 12.99 a month. FAIL FAIL AND MORE FAIL. The terrible release of dragon prophet has a better chance to be more popular then this game.  
Well... I'll give ya this... you've got a lot of passion you. Your post is a meandering run-on mess of hyperbole, conjecture and misinformation... but damn you're passionate about it.

Maybe so, but the game is still going to fail. Especially sense people seem to have their expectations way to high for this type of game. 

  makasouleater69

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5/27/13 6:02:31 PM#98
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by makasouleater69
Well I seriously seriously seriously doubt this is gonna get any where near what wow was. Not even close. I played the first one and it was trash. The only people are gonna stick to this mmo, are ps3 owners, that have no computer. Yeah you can remake a game and fix all the problems, and try to re sell it. But.... no ones pulled that one off successfully yet. And the ps3 is on its way out, and the people will get a ps4, and if it doesnt come out on ps4. Well then its gonna fail even harder. The simple fact that its 30 bucks, and then 12.99 a month is gonna make it fail. When you have titles like aion, rift, neverwinter, ddo, ect ect ect. That are all free to play. Its just not going to work. Not to mention the fact that they just over looked completely apparently. Ps3 owners are not used to or willing to pay a monthly payment to play a online game. It just anit gonna happen, so your prediction is way way way way way off. I wont even buy it due to the fact they sold me a terrible trash game and charged me 49.99 for it. And it was the stupidest mmo I have ever played. I had more fun buggy broken vanguard, then the trash that this game was when it first came out. So for them to try and remake their trash, and try to re sell it to me HA, you jest. I dont know about other people, but thats like saying you buy a car from a dealer and he sells you a junker, and told you it was the greatest. Then you go back to him and be like yeah sell me another one HELL YEAH!!!! BEND ME OVER I CAN TAKE IT. So yeah you failed on this game being the grand daddy of the new mmos coming out. Wild Star, acheage, elder scrolls online, and eq next all have a much much much much much much better chance to become the mmo you speak of. But even those games are unlikely to get every one away from thier current mmos. Not to many  people want to leave behind years or months of work, to go give a new mmo a try. Especially one thats gonna cost them 30 bucks, and 12.99 a month. FAIL FAIL AND MORE FAIL. The terrible release of dragon prophet has a better chance to be more popular then this game.  

Final Fantasy 11 already proved you wrong on the PS2 and 360 and its one of the longest running mmos that still havent gone f2p.  The hate is strong in this one

Yeah because it was released in a time when p2p was the norm. As i said people tend not to want to switch to a new game, and lose all their hard work. Besides just my thoughts on it. I never played this new one, as i stated i never would. After they sold me that garbage of a game. Just like i wont play dark fall. I am not going to give a company another chance when they fail so hard like they have. It didnt prove me wrong either, final fantasy 11 is not even in the same ball park as wow is or was. The post was this game making wow standards, and it just anit gonna happen. I am not saying that the game wont have players, and it wont stay running. I just am saying its never gonna be a high played game with 10 million players. 

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5/27/13 6:03:53 PM#99
I applaud SE for redoing the game but I don't think gamers give games a 2nd chance.  FF14 was a disaster and a failed game. FF14 ARR will simply not get noticed.  I would agree with you its miles better than many of the bad modern MMOs made for people that do not like challenge like GW2 but I expect FF14 to be a complete failure in the western market.  Modern gamers have a short attention span and FF14 already had its chance.  I very much hope it does well but I doubt it will have 20k western subs.  I hope I am wrong.
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5/27/13 6:05:18 PM#100
Originally posted by makasouleater69
Originally posted by tkreep
Originally posted by makasouleater69
Well I seriously seriously seriously doubt this is gonna get any where near what wow was. Not even close. I played the first one and it was trash. The only people are gonna stick to this mmo, are ps3 owners, that have no computer. Yeah you can remake a game and fix all the problems, and try to re sell it. But.... no ones pulled that one off successfully yet. And the ps3 is on its way out, and the people will get a ps4, and if it doesnt come out on ps4. Well then its gonna fail even harder. The simple fact that its 30 bucks, and then 12.99 a month is gonna make it fail. When you have titles like aion, rift, neverwinter, ddo, ect ect ect. That are all free to play. Its just not going to work. Not to mention the fact that they just over looked completely apparently. Ps3 owners are not used to or willing to pay a monthly payment to play a online game. It just anit gonna happen, so your prediction is way way way way way off. I wont even buy it due to the fact they sold me a terrible trash game and charged me 49.99 for it. And it was the stupidest mmo I have ever played. I had more fun buggy broken vanguard, then the trash that this game was when it first came out. So for them to try and remake their trash, and try to re sell it to me HA, you jest. I dont know about other people, but thats like saying you buy a car from a dealer and he sells you a junker, and told you it was the greatest. Then you go back to him and be like yeah sell me another one HELL YEAH!!!! BEND ME OVER I CAN TAKE IT. So yeah you failed on this game being the grand daddy of the new mmos coming out. Wild Star, acheage, elder scrolls online, and eq next all have a much much much much much much better chance to become the mmo you speak of. But even those games are unlikely to get every one away from thier current mmos. Not to many  people want to leave behind years or months of work, to go give a new mmo a try. Especially one thats gonna cost them 30 bucks, and 12.99 a month. FAIL FAIL AND MORE FAIL. The terrible release of dragon prophet has a better chance to be more popular then this game.  

Final Fantasy 11 already proved you wrong on the PS2 and 360 and its one of the longest running mmos that still havent gone f2p.  The hate is strong in this one

Yeah because it was released in a time when p2p was the norm. As i said people tend not to want to switch to a new game, and lose all their hard work. Besides just my thoughts on it. I never played this new one, as i stated i never would. After they sold me that garbage of a game. Just like i wont play dark fall. I am not going to give a company another chance when they fail so hard like they have. It didnt prove me wrong either, final fantasy 11 is not even in the same ball park as wow is or was. The post was this game making wow standards, and it just anit gonna happen. I am not saying that the game wont have players, and it wont stay running. I just am saying its never gonna be a high played game with 10 million players. 

If they can hook the Asian population it may have a chance at some millions anyways though. I believe that is how WoW gets most of it's population.

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